Are you going to boycott "SOLO: A STAR WARS STORY"

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GWEK

Sunday, June 10, 2018 7:44 PM

I read an article yesterday about how even if the boycott of SOLO is successful in getting Kennedy removed, it is likely to have a reverse effect from intended. Many of those boycotting seem to be doing so because of a combination of two factors: 1) hatred of THE LAST JEDI and/or 2) a desire to for more white male protagonists.

Ironically, boycotting SOLO - the only Disney-era movie featuring a white male protagonist, and also the one that it most clearly a throwback to the Original Trilogy era - sends the message that what is going to bring in the big bucks is a future that looks more like THE LAST JEDI and less like SOLO.

As for Disney making big, knee-jerk moves based on one failed movie... they're among the studios that can afford not to, if they don't want to. Back in the day, the whole whole point of tentpole movies and sequels was that you made one big movie that was sure to make money so you could make 3-4 smaller, riskier movies. If those movies made money, so much the better, but your bottom line was already secure. Disney is that concept on a massive cocktail of steroids and pixie dust.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, June 10, 2018 8:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by GWEK:
I read an article yesterday about how even if the boycott of SOLO is successful in getting Kennedy removed, it is likely to have a reverse effect from intended. Many of those boycotting seem to be doing so because of a combination of two factors: 1) hatred of THE LAST JEDI and/or 2) a desire to for more white male protagonists.

Ironically, boycotting SOLO - the only Disney-era movie featuring a white male protagonist, and also the one that it most clearly a throwback to the Original Trilogy era - sends the message that what is going to bring in the big bucks is a future that looks more like THE LAST JEDI and less like SOLO.

As for Disney making big, knee-jerk moves based on one failed movie... they're among the studios that can afford not to, if they don't want to. Back in the day, the whole whole point of tentpole movies and sequels was that you made one big movie that was sure to make money so you could make 3-4 smaller, riskier movies. If those movies made money, so much the better, but your bottom line was already secure. Disney is that concept on a massive cocktail of steroids and pixie dust.

My parody quote of Alex Jones predicting this on May 23rd:

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Sorry about that Whozit.

Damn. You've already squandered about 15% of your life you took back by boycotting this movie. My bad.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Forget about it, I've wasted more time watching "Flat Earth" vids.

The Earth is flat and is only 6,000 years old. 9/11 was a false flag and the Twin Towers never even existed in the alternate universe I came from, and neither did Russians, so I really don't even know what y'all are talking about half the time in here. Donald Trump was real, but he's dead now. He went on to host The Price is Right after he got Fired from the Apprentice and met his end in a bizarre Plinko accident shortly after the fact. The Cloud People are sending laser beams into your brain and making you spend your money on Marvel and Star Wars movies. The only reason that y'all don't think you want to see Solo is because they don't want you to see another movie in the Star Wars universe starring a white male hero. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!! OBAMA TURNED THE FROGS GAY!!!!

- Alex Jones

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I followed that up on May 31st with an article on Forbes.com asking us "Are Movies Starring White Men Box Office Poison"

Old news buddy.

EDIT:

It should probably be noted that any article I've read that describes the boycott possibly having the reverse intended effect is somewhat disingenuous, as they all acknowledge the real reasons behind the boycott along side of the reverse effect they predict will be the outcome.

Disney isn't stupid... At least they're not stupid enough to not know what is truly going on here. If their actual takeaway at the end of the day is that movies with white male protagonists are in fact box office poison, that is a stance derived from intentional obtusity as a means to their ideological end.

Time will tell how moviegoers react to this.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, June 11, 2018 4:58 AM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I was trying to make a point about box office numbers, budgets and good entertaining movies. Basically that it all depends on the story and not the numbers so much.

Anyway, I did see "Welcome to Me" and it was okay, although I happen to like Kristen Wiig (I actually bumped into her by accident on an elevator at 30 Rock), she's a very sweet woman and funny as hell.

But I think you would really like "A Quiet Place" - it's not your typical Hollywood movie and it's very good (you know I wouldn't shit you about a movie). If you get a chance, check it out. The only actor you might recognize is Emily Blunt. I don't know what her views are on anything (although that doesn't bother me as much as it does you) there's one thing that I saw with my own eyes that
made me fall in love with her more.

I was watching Jimmy Kimmel's show and he had one of his people covering the Toronto Film Festival a couple of years ago, and his assistant interviewed
her as she was about to enter. He pulled out a bottle of Tequila and
challenged her to take a shot. And right there and then, she downed a
shot of Tequila. He challenged her again, and she didn't hesitate.
He did it again and she threw back a third shot. I was amazed and proud of my choice of woman to have a crush on. I love that woman.
Fucking John Krasinski is a lucky motherfucker. Just thought I'd tell ya.

The other films I think you'd like are:
Colossal
Wind River
3 Billboards

I have a friend that stopped watching one of her favorite TV programs,
Suits, because she found out one of the guys was gay. Some people make their
choices based upon shit like that. With me, it Tom Selleck (well, this is more within the last 10 years), what a dick he is. Well, what can you do, we all
have our little foibles. But I generally set that aside, if it's a good story.
But I know lots of folks who appreciate low budget, indie films better than the
huge blockbusters. No big whoop!

One thing though; an actor usually doesn't have a say so in the scripts shoved under their noses. Sometimes they take roles just to pay the bills; that may be
in their contract or agreement with two more films to go. Look at Mark Hamill,
he got truly fucked in The Last Jedi, so did Kelly Marie Tran. Fucked, but good.
So you really shouldn't hold it against them when they get a shitty script.
Elijah Wood, a good actor. I too like that he takes on different roles.

Well, I'm off.

SGG

What made you imagine Selleck was a dick?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, June 11, 2018 5:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Jewels, Gwek and Whozit want us to cut the crap on making RWED comments here. I agree with them. Let's get back to the topic at hand....shall we.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Tax Cuts.
Russia.
Stormy.
Kim Jung.
Kilauea.
Collusion.
Bleach Bit.
SJW.
Assault Weapons.
Free Drugs.

This entire thread is nothing but RWED.
These were merely some topics you missed, so far.

Plus, Trump!

GWEK

Monday, June 11, 2018 5:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by GWEK:
I read an article yesterday about how even if the boycott of SOLO is successful in getting Kennedy removed, it is likely to have a reverse effect from intended. Many of those boycotting seem to be doing so because of a combination of two factors: 1) hatred of THE LAST JEDI and/or 2) a desire to for more white male protagonists.

Ironically, boycotting SOLO - the only Disney-era movie featuring a white male protagonist, and also the one that it most clearly a throwback to the Original Trilogy era - sends the message that what is going to bring in the big bucks is a future that looks more like THE LAST JEDI and less like SOLO.

As for Disney making big, knee-jerk moves based on one failed movie... they're among the studios that can afford not to, if they don't want to. Back in the day, the whole whole point of tentpole movies and sequels was that you made one big movie that was sure to make money so you could make 3-4 smaller, riskier movies. If those movies made money, so much the better, but your bottom line was already secure. Disney is that concept on a massive cocktail of steroids and pixie dust.

My parody quote of Alex Jones predicting this on May 23rd:

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Sorry about that Whozit.

Damn. You've already squandered about 15% of your life you took back by boycotting this movie. My bad.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Forget about it, I've wasted more time watching "Flat Earth" vids.

The Earth is flat and is only 6,000 years old. 9/11 was a false flag and the Twin Towers never even existed in the alternate universe I came from, and neither did Russians, so I really don't even know what y'all are talking about half the time in here. Donald Trump was real, but he's dead now. He went on to host The Price is Right after he got Fired from the Apprentice and met his end in a bizarre Plinko accident shortly after the fact. The Cloud People are sending laser beams into your brain and making you spend your money on Marvel and Star Wars movies. The only reason that y'all don't think you want to see Solo is because they don't want you to see another movie in the Star Wars universe starring a white male hero. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!! OBAMA TURNED THE FROGS GAY!!!!

- Alex Jones

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I followed that up on May 31st with an article on Forbes.com asking us "Are Movies Starring White Men Box Office Poison"

Old news buddy.

EDIT:

It should probably be noted that any article I've read that describes the boycott possibly having the reverse intended effect is somewhat disingenuous, as they all acknowledge the real reasons behind the boycott along side of the reverse effect they predict will be the outcome.

Disney isn't stupid... At least they're not stupid enough to not know what is truly going on here. If their actual takeaway at the end of the day is that movies with white male protagonists are in fact box office poison, that is a stance derived from intentional obtusity as a means to their ideological end.

Time will tell how moviegoers react to this.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

As soon as I see “Alex Jones,” in any capacity, I stop reading.

My post also was originally quite a bit longer, but a lot of it was needlessly inflammatory (primarily about the nature of the organized boycotters), so I trimmed it.

Also ironic to see anything on a Firefly forum referred to as old news...

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, June 11, 2018 5:35 AM

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Originally posted by GWEK:

As soon as I see “Alex Jones,” in any capacity, I stop reading.

It was a parody quote, and "Alex Jones" was at the end of it, so you probably read it until the end then.

Quote:
My post also was originally quite a bit longer, but a lot of it was needlessly inflammatory (primarily about the nature of the organized boycotters), so I trimmed it.

Yeah. Organized *anything* these days suck. I haven't seen a Star Wars movie since Episode II, so I wasn't going to see Solo anyhow.

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Also ironic to see anything on a Firefly forum referred to as old news...

lol. That's pretty good.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, June 11, 2018 10:32 AM

Yeah.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Jewels, Gwek and Whozit want us to cut the crap on making RWED comments here. I agree with them. Let's get back to the topic at hand....shall we.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Tax Cuts.
Russia.
Stormy.
Kim Jung.
Kilauea.
Collusion.
Bleach Bit.
SJW.
Assault Weapons.
Free Drugs.

This entire thread is nothing but RWED.
These were merely some topics you missed, so far.

Plus, Trump!

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, June 11, 2018 10:51 AM

All that white male protagonist bullshit is just that, bullshit!
As far as I'm concerned it's all about the story.....period!
The lead actor could be an orangutan for all I care, if the story sucks, sorry you have a flop on your hands.

Just so happens that the Star Wars leads are white - Luke, Leia and Han.
So what?

Bottom line - a good story always wins out. Case in point: The Shawshank Redemption. It has a white and black male as lead actors, and it happens
to be a classic film. Why? Because it's a good story.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by GWEK:
I read an article yesterday about how even if the boycott of SOLO is successful in getting Kennedy removed, it is likely to have a reverse effect from intended. Many of those boycotting seem to be doing so because of a combination of two factors: 1) hatred of THE LAST JEDI and/or 2) a desire to for more white male protagonists.

Ironically, boycotting SOLO - the only Disney-era movie featuring a white male protagonist, and also the one that it most clearly a throwback to the Original Trilogy era - sends the message that what is going to bring in the big bucks is a future that looks more like THE LAST JEDI and less like SOLO.

As for Disney making big, knee-jerk moves based on one failed movie... they're among the studios that can afford not to, if they don't want to. Back in the day, the whole whole point of tentpole movies and sequels was that you made one big movie that was sure to make money so you could make 3-4 smaller, riskier movies. If those movies made money, so much the better, but your bottom line was already secure. Disney is that concept on a massive cocktail of steroids and pixie dust.

My parody quote of Alex Jones predicting this on May 23rd:

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Sorry about that Whozit.

Damn. You've already squandered about 15% of your life you took back by boycotting this movie. My bad.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Forget about it, I've wasted more time watching "Flat Earth" vids.

The Earth is flat and is only 6,000 years old. 9/11 was a false flag and the Twin Towers never even existed in the alternate universe I came from, and neither did Russians, so I really don't even know what y'all are talking about half the time in here. Donald Trump was real, but he's dead now. He went on to host The Price is Right after he got Fired from the Apprentice and met his end in a bizarre Plinko accident shortly after the fact. The Cloud People are sending laser beams into your brain and making you spend your money on Marvel and Star Wars movies. The only reason that y'all don't think you want to see Solo is because they don't want you to see another movie in the Star Wars universe starring a white male hero. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!! OBAMA TURNED THE FROGS GAY!!!!

- Alex Jones

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I followed that up on May 31st with an article on Forbes.com asking us "Are Movies Starring White Men Box Office Poison"

Old news buddy.

EDIT:

It should probably be noted that any article I've read that describes the boycott possibly having the reverse intended effect is somewhat disingenuous, as they all acknowledge the real reasons behind the boycott along side of the reverse effect they predict will be the outcome.

Disney isn't stupid... At least they're not stupid enough to not know what is truly going on here. If their actual takeaway at the end of the day is that movies with white male protagonists are in fact box office poison, that is a stance derived from intentional obtusity as a means to their ideological end.

Time will tell how moviegoers react to this.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, June 11, 2018 10:58 AM

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What made you imagine Selleck was a dick?

Saw an interview with him and he acted like a total dick. That happens.
Take, for instance, Matt Lauer, who knew he was such a dick, yet here
we are.

I also read up on a rumor that Ellen DeGeneres is a bit of a dick. She behaves badly toward people she doesn't like; because she enjoys being
known for her charity work (and will gladly step on anyone's toes who
doesn't see things her way).

Anyway, it's not a big deal.

SGG

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, June 11, 2018 11:59 AM

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One of your examples was IT for only 35 million dollars. You couldn't pay me to sit through that Hollywood schlockfest.

I chose IT for a number of reasons:

1- It was a low budget film: $35 million is nothing these days.
2- It was a well-directed, well-acted, well-made Hollywood "schlock" film that grossed several hundreds million dollars. I went with friends and
enjoyed myself and I actually thought it to be a good piece of filmmaking;
a good remake.
3- It was a good story based on an iconic character

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I'm only saying that it was a good movie, not that everyone will get as much out of it as I did.

True that. I feel that way about "Cloud Atlas."

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To this day Citizen Kane is regarded as the best movie ever made and "2001: A Space Odyssey" is somewhere near the top of that list and I absolutely hate sitting through either of them.

Those are among the top classics of modern time, but they are from a different era, when movies were movies and delivered on a whole
different level.
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, They Shoot Horses, Don't They?,
The Conversation, Raging Bull, A Clockwork Orange, The Godfather...all
movies of a different era that are considered classics, but may not be
able to stand the test of time, by today's standards.

Even Indie films from that era: Get Out Your Handkerchiefs, Going Places,
La Cage Aux Folles, Manon of the Spring, Jean De Florette....some of the
more classic Indie foreign films of our time. All excellent, but somewhat dated. Does that diminish their greatness? I think not. But, I digress.

Not too long ago, I was watching The Excorcist on TV and I found myself laughing. I saw this movie when it first came out, and I could tell you
no one was laughing. Women would watch this flick with their feet up on
their seats. Rumors of pregnant women losing their babies abounded, but
yet I laughed at it. Just how we laugh at some of the films from the 30s.

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I'm in love with Emily Blunt because of her character she played
in Edge of Tomorrow (one of the last Hollywood movies I saw and deeply enjoyed). It's actually the only thing I know her from inside and outside
of movies.

I'm in love with Emily Blunt from just about everything she's done. She's
not only a beautiful hunk of womanhood, she can act her ass off. I first
became aware of her in The Devil Wears Prada and have followed her career
ever since. I saw one of her early movies and decided that I would follow her to "the ends of the earth." She's amazing. I believe she shies away
from political stuff, but, no matter, she's awesome.

But I mostly study film as an art form, much like people study literature;
and try not to follow their politics.

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On the flip side, I sure as hell am not going to take kindly for some grossly overpaid actor judging me or telling me how to live my life.

Totally agree.

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Hamill still has a lot of balls though, even if it was after the fact. I love stuff he's had to say about the new movies and his character. Specifically the part where he isn't actually playing Luke Skywalker, but just another guy with the last name Skywalker.

Again, totally agree. I admire him because he finds a way to get his
message across, with subtlety. Remember he's in Hollywood where one
wrong move could blackball him for life. I find it inconcievable that Johnson would not listen to the actor that breathed life into his
character - Luke Skywalker. I'm not saying that Hamill is some genius
actor, just that he's a professional who played this role with great
gusto for a long time. He knows his craft.

SGG

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