Are you going to boycott "SOLO: A STAR WARS STORY"
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I heard that same rumor, hope that its true, she's a horrible storyteller/producer/studio-head.
SGG
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Too true Whozit. We were talking about movies and it turned into a political discussion. I'm done......let's get back on topic, shall we!?
So no, to the boycott is all I'm saying. Not for me. Although I do get that Kennedy and Johnson must go; but perhaps it may work because Disney does care about the bottom line.
Trouble is that boycott is the voice of the people and possibly one of the few ways where we have some affect. Decisions, decisions.
I've heard from a little birdy that Kennedy is on her way out the door.
Not sure if it's true yet, but I will post links if I see anything concrete about this.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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P.S. I may change the title to, Are you going boycott "Trump: A Tax Cuts Story"
Okay, we get it! Trolling, bad.
As I have said in Cinema, and wherever, the combo of Kennedy and Johnson is supremely bad for Star Wars, and generally bad for the film industry. Poor imaginations on their part.
SGG
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Too true Whozit. We were talking about movies and it turned into a political discussion. I'm done......let's get back on topic, shall we!?
So no, to the boycott is all I'm saying. Not for me. Although I do get that Kennedy and Johnson must go; but perhaps it may work because Disney does care about the bottom line.
Trouble is that boycott is the voice of the people and possibly one of the few ways where we have some affect. Decisions, decisions.
I've heard from a little birdy that Kennedy is on her way out the door.
Not sure if it's true yet, but I will post links if I see anything concrete about this.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
If Kennedy goes then Rian Johnson and Jar Jar Abrams have go with her, STAR WARS needs Chris Nolan and Joss Whedon.
P.S. I may change the title to, Are you going boycott "Trump: A Tax Cuts Story"
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You're absolutely right Gwek. That was my bad, I'll take the hit for that one. Back to Solo............
I did not boycott, I went to see and enjoyed it. Was it derivative? Yes, somewhat. Was it flawed? Yes, somewhat. Was it fun? A Big Fat Yes! I will return to see it sometime soon.
But I get what real fans of Star Wars are doing, at the expense of an otherwise good movie, they're trying to affect change to get back the good story of the young farm boy's journey. In other words, Luke Skywalker's story.
I get too that The Last Jedi was deeply flawed, hence the boycott of Solo. They wanted the box office for it to be poor so that execs at Disney would think twice about continuing the contract of one Kathleen Kennedy. Good strategy. Affact the next film under her command regardless, and maybe, just maybe the suits at Disney will dump her. Bold risky move, or was it? Disney is in for billions of dollars. The bottom line, despite everything they say, is what counts to them. So, personally I don't find it so risky a move. I mean, the fans will still get Star Wars no matter what.
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Oh - oh, wait... Are we back to talking about SOLO?
I did not boycott it. I did the opposite. I saw it three times, and enjoyed it each time. I will likely see it once or twice more, and will certainly purchase the DVD when it's out (I usually only buy about two DVDs a year - things that I'm going to watch repeatedly, since it's so easy to watch things otherwise).
Ultimately, the movie is indeed flawed but is the most fun a Star Wars movie has been since 1983. It avoids the ponderousness of the Prequels, the repetition and fatigue of the Sequels, and even the darkness of ROGUE ONE (which I think is a better movie, but not "fun").
I saw it with my cousin most recently, and his first comment when the credits rolled was "I liked that more than the last three combined."
Admittedly, the criticisms that the movie is low stakes and that there are few surprises are true, but that doesn't prevent it from being an enjoyable ride with may great moments.
Boycott all you want. Send all the "messages" to Disney you want. But if you're an old school Star Wars fan or a fan of Firefly (and I have to assume those folks here are), you're doing it at the expense of a movie you'll very likely enjoy.
For those who were on the fence - the damage is already done. It's okay, you can go see it now and not feel guilty about it. :)
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I get too that The Last Jedi was deeply flawed, hence the boycott of Solo. They wanted the box office for it to be poor so that execs at Disney would think twice about continuing the contract of one Kathleen Kennedy. Good strategy. Affact the next film under her command regardless, and maybe, just maybe the suits at Disney will dump her. Bold risky move, or was it? Disney is in for billions of dollars. The bottom line, despite everything they say, is what counts to them. So, personally I don't find it so risky a move. I mean, the fans will still get Star Wars no matter what.
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I actually didn't get a chance to finish, but I do agree with you that it sucks that Solo gets the shitty end of the stick on this one. It is a good story, flawed yes, but a good story. Ron Howard was given a really shitty assignment and delivered (IMHO). I agree that the Hollywood suits at Disney think they know better than the die-hard fans. You know, the ones that sleep, eat and drink Star Wars (please excuse my use of the word shit so much, but it seems to fit in this case). They are completely out of touch with real fans and moviegoers, otherwise they wouldn't have trusted Kennedy and company with the horrible screenplay of The Last Jedi.
I can see why they were blinded, all that money that Force Awakens made. Dollar signs and ca-chinging all the way to the bank vault; greed can certainly turn a man's head. Something needs to give on their part. For Disney, as a business, it's all about those dollar signs. They want to keep that bell a-ringing. If their bottom line is affected, heads will roll. Remember, they've spent $4 Billion and they want their money back and then some.
SGG
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So, now the real question is will the movie doing poorly have any positive effect. We're trusting a bunch of executives to understand a nuanced message with nothing but a number. That's a tough job for reasonable people. I don't think executives are in touch with the common man. So, it's not really surprising that they don't think the way the common man does. If they just delay their schedule and continue to roll out the same movies then I don't know what to think.
It also kinda stinks that Solo was the movie that had to send the message. From the sound of it this is more like what the fans actually want. I mean if the new trilogy just had Rey as Luke's daughter with Luke playing an Obiwan style teacher role and had lighthearted swashbuckling action, I think people would be perfectly fine with it. They felt like they had to give the audience something they didn't expect (read: want) and that isn't playing out so well.
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So, small budget, of the Indie persuasion.......got it!
Colossal comes to mind (15 million)
Wind River (11 million)
The Big Sick (5 million)
The Shape of Water (19.5 million) - Just so you know, Pan's Labyrinth (19 million). Del Toro was consistent with his budgets (although Hellboy II's budget was $85M).
3 Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri (12 million)
Mudbound (10 million)
It (35 million)
Get Out (4.5 million)
The Quiet Place (17 million) It grossed 321 million worldwide ($185M domestically). You think John Krasinski is going to get another directing gig? He also helped write the script. Bravo, good for him.
Would you consider the above listed movies to be good movies? If so, does budget size matter? I think it depends on the story....first, second and last.
Paranormal Activity - budget $15K - is this a good movie? It made $107.9M at the box office. Avatar was the largest grossing film that year, 2009.
Some recent low budget films:
The Hurt Locker (15 million)
Witness (12 million)
Cruising (11 million)
Sweet Sweetback, circa 1971 (150K)
Bad Lieutenant (25 million)
Four Brothers (30 million)
L.A. Confidential, circa 1997 (35 million) Russell Crowe furthered his American career with this flick about LA cops in the 50s. Guy Pearce's second American movie.
Edward Scissorhands, circa 1990 (20 million) good story. Grossed $56M domestically. It wasn't even in the Top 10 that year, but it is considered a classic. Even Kiddergarten Cop, at No. 10, made more money ($201M)
1. Ghost $505M
2. Home Alone $476M
3. Pretty Woman $463M
4. Dances with Wolves $424M
5. Total Recall $261M
Rounds out the Top 5 that year, 1990. There's no accounting for taste.
I haven't seen any of those (recent ones you mentioned at the top). Except for IT, I probably wouldn't mind watching any of them.
For me, it's not just about the money though. I have a hard time watching anybody who is famous anymore either. I have to be in the right mindset to even sit through something like that now, and if I've happened to hear their privileged, elitist views on the world, I'm even less likely to want to see them do their job.
Of the three I recently mentioned, I only knew a handful of people. I didn't even know "I Don't Feel At Home In This World" had Elijah Wood in it until about a half hour into the movie. It didn't detract from the movie at all though. Somehow even though he played Bilbo in one of the biggest money projects the world has ever seen, he somehow maintains that Indie feel in almost anything he does. I know nothing at all about his personal life or beliefs, and I love that about him.
The same goes for Kristen Wigg, of "Welcome to Me". Of everyone involved with the clusterfuck that was Ghostbusters, she seemed to be the only one who was above all of the drama. I only knew about her before because my old man was a huge fan of hers from Saturday Night Live (a show I haven't watched at all since the days of Hartman and Farley). After seeing "Welcome to Me", a movie that nobody ever heard of, I was really impressed and I'll give her a pass for being involved in the absolutely mediocre GB reboot.
The movie Arq has nobody I ever heard of. That's not to say that there is nobody in there that people wouldn't recognize, but none of them were ever on my radar. That's when I most enjoy a movie. When there is good acting and good storytelling and you can immerse yourself in it without being taken out of it by some big name Hollywood actor and what they have said in public.
My favorite movie of all time is Ink. I've never seen one of those actors before or after that movie came out. I hope they're all doing well.
LOL... funny story about "Paranormal Activity". I can't tell you if it's a great movie or not. I may have fallen for the hype, but when I saw it on my friend's huge screen
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Tax Cuts.
Russia.
Stormy.
Kim Jung.
Kilauea.
Collusion.
Bleach Bit.
SJW.
Assault Weapons.
Free Drugs.
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Hey Jewels, Gwek and Whozit want us to cut the crap on making RWED comments here. I agree with them. Let's get back to the topic at hand....shall we.
SGG
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Tax Cuts.
Russia.
Stormy.
Kim Jung.
Kilauea.
Collusion.
Bleach Bit.
SJW.
Assault Weapons.
Free Drugs.
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Sorry, wrong box.
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I was trying to make a point about box office numbers, budgets and good entertaining movies. Basically that it all depends on the story and not the numbers so much.
Anyway, I did see "Welcome to Me" and it was okay, although I happen to like Kristen Wiig (I actually bumped into her by accident on an elevator at 30 Rock), she's a very sweet woman and funny as hell.
But I think you would really like "A Quiet Place" - it's not your typical Hollywood movie and it's very good (you know I wouldn't shit you about a movie). If you get a chance, check it out. The only actor you might recognize is Emily Blunt. I don't know what her views are on anything (although that doesn't bother me as much as it does you) there's one thing that I saw with my own eyes that
made me fall in love with her more.
I was watching Jimmy Kimmel's show and he had one of his people covering the Toronto Film Festival a couple of years ago, and his assistant interviewed
her as she was about to enter. He pulled out a bottle of Tequila and
challenged her to take a shot. And right there and then, she downed a
shot of Tequila. He challenged her again, and she didn't hesitate.
He did it again and she threw back a third shot. I was amazed and proud of my choice of woman to have a crush on. I love that woman.
Fucking John Krasinski is a lucky motherfucker. Just thought I'd tell ya.
The other films I think you'd like are:
Colossal
Wind River
3 Billboards
I have a friend that stopped watching one of her favorite TV programs,
Suits, because she found out one of the guys was gay. Some people make their
choices based upon shit like that. With me, it Tom Selleck (well, this is more within the last 10 years), what a dick he is. Well, what can you do, we all
have our little foibles. But I generally set that aside, if it's a good story.
But I know lots of folks who appreciate low budget, indie films better than the
huge blockbusters. No big whoop!
One thing though; an actor usually doesn't have a say so in the scripts shoved under their noses. Sometimes they take roles just to pay the bills; that may be
in their contract or agreement with two more films to go. Look at Mark Hamill,
he got truly fucked in The Last Jedi, so did Kelly Marie Tran. Fucked, but good.
So you really shouldn't hold it against them when they get a shitty script.
Elijah Wood, a good actor. I too like that he takes on different roles.
Well, I'm off.
SGG
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I was trying to make a point about box office numbers, budgets and good entertaining movies. Basically that it all depends on the story and not the numbers so much.
I knew what you were doing. I was just giving my own semi-explanation of what I prefer. As you say.... Money isn't everything. One of your examples was IT for only 35 million dollars. You couldn't pay me to sit through that Hollywood schlockfest.
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Anyway, I did see "Welcome to Me" and it was okay, although I happen to like Kristen Wiig (I actually bumped into her by accident on an elevator at 30 Rock), she's a very sweet woman and funny as hell.
Yeah, we talked about your meeting with her in the cinema thread before. Whether or not you or I like a movie is simply a matter of taste. I'm only saying that it was a good movie, not that everyone will get as much out of it as I did. To this day Citizen Kane is regarded as the best movie ever made and "2001: A Space Odyssey" is somewhere near the top of that list and I absolutely hate sitting through either of them.
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But I think you would really like "A Quiet Place" - it's not your typical Hollywood movie and it's very good (you know I wouldn't shit you about a movie). If you get a chance, check it out. The only actor you might recognize is Emily Blunt. I don't know what her views are on anything (although that doesn't bother me as much as it does you) there's one thing that I saw with my own eyes that
made me fall in love with her more.
I was watching Jimmy Kimmel's show and he had one of his people covering the Toronto Film Festival a couple of years ago, and his assistant interviewed
her as she was about to enter. He pulled out a bottle of Tequila and
challenged her to take a shot. And right there and then, she downed a
shot of Tequila. He challenged her again, and she didn't hesitate.
He did it again and she threw back a third shot. I was amazed and proud of my choice of woman to have a crush on. I love that woman.
Fucking John Krasinski is a lucky motherfucker. Just thought I'd tell ya.
I'm not opposed to watching it for any reason. I just don't really have the time to bother with any of it any more, and nothing I've seen or heard about grabs me to the point where I've got to see it. It's on a relatively short list of movies that I might watch someday if I remember what it's called when I search for it when I'm actually sitting down to watch a movie.
I'm in love with Emily Blunt because of her character she played in Edge of Tomorrow (one of the last Hollywood movies I saw and deeply enjoyed). It's actually the only thing I know her from inside and outside of movies.
I don't go out of my way to know what Hollywood-types think about the world. She may have said somethings I don't agree with, but it's not on my radar. I'm not going out of my way to find reasons to hate people.
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The other films I think you'd like are:
Colossal
Wind River
3 Billboards
It probably doesn't seem like it, but I do pay attention to you guys in the Cinema thread. These are also on my short list.
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I have a friend that stopped watching one of her favorite TV programs,
Suits, because she found out one of the guys was gay. Some people make their
choices based upon shit like that. With me, it Tom Selleck (well, this is more within the last 10 years), what a dick he is. Well, what can you do, we all
have our little foibles. But I generally set that aside, if it's a good story.
But I know lots of folks who appreciate low budget, indie films better than the
huge blockbusters. No big whoop!
That's a tricky thing. I can't honestly tell you I never stopped watching a show because somebody was gay in my past. I do recall that when I was a kid I'd occasionally watch "Ellen" when it was on. Not becau
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