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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I've come to the realization (above) by watching Homicide Hunter, which is a real crime TV show. But because it's in Colorado Springs - which has a large collection of military bases and offices in and nearby (within 10 miles) - I've learned a lot about the scope and function of the US military in the economy. Your concern is that it will get that bad. Watching this show I can say it IS that bad. The military is HUGE. Collected all together, it would be a substantial city on a map. We just don't see it because we don't live next to military bases.
So your solution to the problem is to expand the huge bad, and let them tell us how good it is by giving us free job training?
It's bad enough we have a volunteer army that is as huge as it is already. Expanding the program for ultra-cheap labor in the guise of training is, like Signy said, just a step up from prison labor, given that they'd be handing over their entire lives during the program.
This is a terrible idea, and I don't see any evidence that the size of our Military would shrink at all if it were enacted. If anything I think it would only grow.
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"So your solution to the problem is to expand the huge bad"
NOT expand it !!!
I've said that many times already.
What part of EVERYTHING ELSE STAYS THE SAME do you not understand?
The military doesn't get larger. They house, feed and pay them the EXACT same way they do now. The military chain of command is the same. There are only two differences.
1 the military doesn't get deployed overseas
2 instead of doing combat duty they get trained to work on, then work on, public, not-for-profit projects.
I've been though this over a half a dozen times with you.
You are incredibly dense.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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Quote:Correction: the Patron Saint of Democrats is Andrew Jackson. Hater of Freedom, lover of Slaveowners, believer that all of America should embrace Slavery and stop allowing Blacks to roam around unchained. That is the foundation, root, and soul of Democrats.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Do you know who the patron saint of Democrats is? FDR, Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
Your whole premise is based upon spending just as many taxpayer dollars as we do today, but to train troops at home and give them low paying jobs. I don't see any point at all to any of this.
He was President during much of the Great Depression, when the financial system and the economy collapsed at the same time. FDR's plan was to print money and put it in the hands of the average person. He was basing his policy on Keynes' work, who suggested that injecting money into the economy would improve it. But rather than undirectedly tossing money into "the economy" or (worse) tossing money at the wealthy (trickle down) FDR believed that money should be directed to the poor. THEIR demand (for food, clothes, homes, refrigerators, cars etc) would lead to a resurgence in manufacturing (of said items) leading to an increase in employment and a further increase in demand ... a reverse of the negative spiral that propelled the Great Depression in the first place. He called it "pump priming".
One way to direct money at the poor were various "public works" projects, where the government would pay people to put in infrastructure. My grandfather, who was a carpenter before the Great Depression, got a job on public works. He helped put in a railway overpass, which I traveled under at least once an month. There was the public works of rural electrification, infrastructure, the building of the Hoover Dam, and the Civilian Conservation Corps. We have been living off that infrastructure ever since
Now. Do THESE jobs take away from private jobs? Absolutely not. There is no for-profit business that would invest in public roads, public bridges, public waterways, and environmental conservation. Why? Because these are PUBLIC goods, and there's no profit in it. Even though infrastructure and environmental conservation form the basis of long-term wealth, "monetization" of these factors would simply kill the goose that laid the golden eggs.
The programs that KIKI suggests sound very similar to the various public works and conservation programs that FDR implemented lo these many years ago, which formed the basis of our prosperity. I don't see anything wrong with the idea .... unless, of course, you can find an alternate (private, for profit) way to reconstruct our environment and infrastructure.
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Quote:I cannot see if you are confused. Most define Courage as an act despite - or in defiance of - Fear. There is no Courageous act without the acknowledgement of Fear. Otherwise Lewis Burwell Puller would have received 5 Medals of Honor.
Originally posted by second:
In the third part of the great Indian epic the Mahabharata, a powerful spirit named Yaksa asks the oldest and wisest of the Pandava, Yudhistira, what is the greatest of all mysteries. The answer given resounds across millennia: “Every day countless people die, and yet those who remain live as if they were immortals.”
Immortals would be fearless, yet there is a worldwide shortage of courage.
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Quote:One commonly agreed Duty, Responsibility, and Purpose of the Federal Government, the Federation of States, is National Defense.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:This.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Hi. I think that this would be OK as a TRANSITION to a smaller army as recruits finish out their contracts, but I would rather that the money be turned over to a civilian program over time.
So here I am, making a simple suggestion that we redirect the military - from pointless, money-wasting adventures overseas, to useful, value-producing work at home.
It seems a modest proposal, and non-partisan, in that neither side has any financial or cultural reason to be more against it than the other.= KIKI
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One that is not commonly considered is Keep a Bunch of Citizens Busy, Maybe Gainfully Employed.
For anybody interested in reducing Government, reducing spending and waste, I can't see where this fits in.
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Section 8
1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"So your solution to the problem is to expand the huge bad"
NOT expand it !!!
I've said that many times already.
What part of EVERYTHING ELSE STAYS THE SAME do you not understand?
The military doesn't get larger. They house, feed and pay them the EXACT same way they do now. The military chain of command is the same. There are only two differences.
1 the military doesn't get deployed overseas
2 instead of doing combat duty they get trained to work on, then work on, public, not-for-profit projects.
I've been though this over a half a dozen times with you.
You are incredibly dense.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
Your idea is incredibly dense.
What your proposing would expand it. I'm with Sigs. Offer this to phase out a large part of the military for a very limited time, but do not take new recruits for the program.
Your entire proposal is an expansion of government over private sector jobs from here to eternity. This is ABSOLUTELY what we do NOT need. On top of that, unlike other public service jobs like delivering mail or running the DMV, these people would be 24/7 slaves to the government until their contracts are up. NO FUCKING DICE.
We need to be shrinking Government programs and jobs. Not expanding them.
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"What your proposing would expand it."
Well, that's one way to try and win an argument. Lie about what I said, and then tell me I'm wrong.
Jack, you have such a powerful reaction, you can't stop blubbering and hyperventilating long enough to comprehend what I posted. Unless you have something that factually addresses my proposal, I'm just going to write off your posts. Unless I take the time to point out that you're lying. Again. And then maybe make fun of you.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"What your proposing would expand it."
Well, that's one way to try and win an argument. Lie about what I said, and then tell me I'm wrong.
Jack, you have such a powerful reaction, you can't stop blubbering and hyperventilating long enough to comprehend what I posted. Unless you have something that factually addresses my proposal, I'm just going to write off your posts. Unless I take the time to point out that you're lying. Again. And then maybe make fun of you.
Hey... look at that. Kiki resorts to calling me what she hates her normal rage bait sparring partners in the RWED call her all the time.
Guess I better lawyer up, huh guys and gals?
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Quote:Perhaps if you explain what 6ix has incorrect, the exchange could progress.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"What your proposing would expand it."
Well, that's one way to try and win an argument. Lie about what I said, and then tell me I'm wrong.
Jack, you have such a powerful reaction, you can't stop blubbering and hyperventilating long enough to comprehend what I posted. Unless you have something that factually addresses my proposal, I'm just going to write off your posts. Unless I take the time to point out that you're lying. Again. And then maybe make fun of you.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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