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Quote:You voted against the worst option in 2016. Not your fault the 2nd worst was hand-picked by the worst option.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Yeah. We've been doing this for 20 years now.
Originally posted by second:
In a pattern that’s played out over and over since the tax cuts passed — companies profit, shareholders reap the benefits, and workers get left out. Corporate stock buybacks hit a record $178 billion in the first three months of 2018; average hourly earnings for American workers are up 67 cents over the past year. Harley-Davidson is an American symbol, and President Trump has trotted it out as an example of business success. But as it’s getting its tax cut, it’s outsourcing jobs and paying shareholders.
Harley-Davidson took its tax cut, closed a factory, and rewarded shareholders.
The motorcycle maker in January told 800 Kansas City workers it would close a plant there. Days later, it announced a nearly $700 million stock buyback plan.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/5/22/17350180/harley-davidson-tax
-buyback-kansas-city-factory
I have to admit that I thought I voted against it in 2016.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
As usual, I voted for the best option on the ballot.
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Quote:Bank profits hit a new all-time record as Congress is poised to roll back post-crisis regulations.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You voted against the worst option in 2016. Not your fault the 2nd worst was hand-picked by the worst option.
As usual, I voted for the best option on the ballot.
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation announced Tuesday that America’s banking sector hit a new record high of $56 billion in net income in the first quarter of 2018.
Meanwhile, the US House of Representatives is set this afternoon to pass a bill killing financial regulations to help out a financial services sector that they see as ailing under the status quo.
Yes, the same sector that just posted record profits. Now, of course, if you talk to proponents of the regulatory rollback, they’ll tell you they have no intention of helping out the Wall Street giants whom everyone hates. But with less regulation coming down the pike, there’s every reason to believe that the future will only be brighter for America’s banks.
www.vox.com/2018/5/22/17380490/fdic-bank-profits-dodd-frank
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:She keeps saying that she's not proposing to expand the military, but that's exactly what she is doing with her suggestion.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Perhaps if you explain what 6ix has incorrect, the exchange could progress.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"What your proposing would expand it."
Well, that's one way to try and win an argument. Lie about what I said, and then tell me I'm wrong.
Jack, you have such a powerful reaction, you can't stop blubbering and hyperventilating long enough to comprehend what I posted. Unless you have something that factually addresses my proposal, I'm just going to write off your posts. Unless I take the time to point out that you're lying. Again. And then maybe make fun of you.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
I can't help it if she thinks I'm a liar for saying so. Sigs doesn't agree with Kiki here either.
What's your take, JSF?
It would be interesting to hear your side since unlike us, I don't believe you have any problems with the current size of our military.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I don't think I have a take yet. I've read what she has posted, and also just reposted, and either I'm not finding what she is trying to say or she has not explained it adequately.
What I've been able to translate might best be expressed as analogy:
Let us start with a number system, used to calculate and interpolate the real world. Let us replace some random numbers of this system with some random letters. Then if some of the random letters seem to sound a certain way, we delete them. And if the remaining letters or numbers look a certain way, we repeat them in the sequence.
Now we have a much better and simpler system, right? Calculations with this new system will be much easier, right? And more accurate.
If kiki's concept is somehow different from this example, I have not found a grasp to it. Attempted grasps have gripped nothing but slime to date.
Apparently she is basing her theory upon some TV Show set in Colorado. Our Military Strategy has a preference of not fighting War on our own soil - which would lead to certain loss. Tell me, which Foreign Aggitators or Aggressors, or Oceans, border Colorado?
I forget who first stated this: if you desire to understand the breadth and depth of flora and fauna by devoting decades to the study of a gnat's bunghole, you might get a warped view.
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Quote:I think what KIKI is suggesting is that the scope of duties would change for recruits, so instead of performing military service, the volunteers would be performing civilian/ public service duties instead. To make this a simper concept, let's propose that in the last year of one's contract with the military, instead of being deployed abroad or continuing with military training/ service, that the recruits are turned towards things like bridge building, roadway construction, dam removal, or energy-efficiency retrofitting, learning skills like using bulldozers and scrapers or electrical wiring. It could be proposed as a transition program back to civilian life. Alternately, we can point to similar programs ALREADY in the military, such as getting a degree in dentistry in return for 8 years of military service. My niece and her husband got their professional educations "the army way".
She keeps saying that she's not proposing to expand the military, but that's exactly what she is doing with her suggestion.
Quote:I don't agree, but not because it necessarily represents an numeric expansion (i.e. numbers of military volunteers increasing) but because it expands the scope of "military code of justice" to non-military situations even further. If there's any reason at all for putting recruits under "martial law" it's because they will be forced into a wartime situation, where obedience is required. But there's no reason to put people under "martial law" because they're learning how to make their beds, brush their teeth, and run a bulldozer. I realize that the reason why KIKI is suggesting this "soft transition" from a wartime economy is because KIKI thinks it's more palatable, and therefore more possible, than conjuring up another vast "public works" program, but IMHO a "soft transition" is no more likely than a complete about-face.
I can't help it if she thinks I'm a liar for saying so. Sigs doesn't agree with Kiki here either.
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I think what KIKI is suggesting is that the scope of duties would change for recruits, so instead of performing military service, the volunteers would be performing civilian/ public service duties instead. To make this a simper concept, let's propose that in the last year of one's contract with the military, instead of being deployed abroad or continuing with military training/ service, that the recruits are turned towards things like bridge building, roadway construction, dam removal, or energy-efficiency retrofitting, learning skills like using bulldozers and scrapers or electrical wiring. It could be proposed as a transition program back to civilian life. Alternately, we can point to similar programs ALREADY in the military, such as getting a degree in dentistry in return for 8 years of military service. My niece and her husband got their professional educations "the army way".
She keeps saying that she's not proposing to expand the military, but that's exactly what she is doing with her suggestion.
Yes. At the absolute best, it's redundancy. And that's only if it were done on a temporary basis as a program to transition existing military service members out of an active duty role.
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I can't help it if she thinks I'm a liar for saying so. Sigs doesn't agree with Kiki here either.
Quote:
I don't agree, but not because it necessarily represents an numeric expansion (i.e. numbers of military volunteers increasing) but because it expands the scope of "military code of justice" to non-military situations even further. If there's any reason at all for putting recruits under "martial law" it's because they will be forced into a wartime situation, where obedience is required. But there's no reason to put people under "martial law" because they're learning how to make their beds, brush their teeth, and run a bulldozer. I realize that the reason why KIKI is suggesting this "soft transition" from a wartime economy is because KIKI thinks it's more palatable, and therefore more possible, than conjuring up another vast "public works" program, but IMHO a "soft transition" is no more likely than a complete about-face.
That's kind of my point. If the end goal here is not actually lowering the existing numbers in the military and people are now volunteering for work at home for training, I fear that the numbers would rise because of how desperate people are going to become for any sort of meaningful jobs as more get shipped overseas or replaced with automation.
I don't believe the Government would put any limits to how many people could join this program since the labor would be extremely cheap and they'd be signing over their lives on contract to the Government until their time was up.
Who's to say that this wouldn't grow? Everybody here knows how corrupt our Government and businesses are. These "employees" would have no real say about the direction their lives go while enlisted, and by the time they could leave there might not be a whole lot of good paying jobs utilizing the skills they learned if there are now twice as many new recruits in there as well as a waiting list, so they're probably much more likely to re-enlist for a small bonus or bump in pay for the next 4 years of their lives. This circle only stands to get more vicious as the ranks become professional caliber after re-enlisting 1 or 2 times because it's better than the alternatives.
I'm looking 20 years down the road and seeing this ending very badly for everybody.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I don't think I have a take yet. I've read what she has posted, and also just reposted, and either I'm not finding what she is trying to say or she has not explained it adequately.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:She keeps saying that she's not proposing to expand the military, but that's exactly what she is doing with her suggestion.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Perhaps if you explain what 6ix has incorrect, the exchange could progress.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"What your proposing would expand it."
Well, that's one way to try and win an argument. Lie about what I said, and then tell me I'm wrong.
Jack, you have such a powerful reaction, you can't stop blubbering and hyperventilating long enough to comprehend what I posted. Unless you have something that factually addresses my proposal, I'm just going to write off your posts. Unless I take the time to point out that you're lying. Again. And then maybe make fun of you.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
I can't help it if she thinks I'm a liar for saying so. Sigs doesn't agree with Kiki here either.
What's your take, JSF?
It would be interesting to hear your side since unlike us, I don't believe you have any problems with the current size of our military.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
What I've been able to translate might best be expressed as analogy:
Let us start with a number system, used to calculate and interpolate the real world. Let us replace some random numbers of this system with some random letters. Then if some of the random letters seem to sound a certain way, we delete them. And if the remaining letters or numbers look a certain way, we repeat them in the sequence.
Now we have a much better and simpler system, right? Calculations with this new system will be much easier, right? And more accurate.
If kiki's concept is somehow different from this example, I have not found a grasp to it. Attempted grasps have gripped nothing but slime to date.
Apparently she is basing her theory upon some TV Show set in Colorado. Our Military Strategy has a preference of not fighting War on our own soil - which would lead to certain loss. Tell me, which Foreign Aggitators or Aggressors, or Oceans, border Colorado?
I forget who first stated this: if you desire to understand the breadth and depth of flora and fauna by devoting decades to the study of a gnat's bunghole, you might get a warped view.
I don't know if 6ix will gain a better handle on what her idea. But if so, feel free to share.
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Quote:The Democrats have been writing and legislating about a "job guarantee" policy since the recovery act was passed on May 26, 1933. The economics of full employment are not rocket science. It’s the politics that are stupid. The politicians aren't willing to understand what John Maynard Keynes wrote on how to make it happen. Call it economic force -- the profitable and positive side. And American politicians really, really aren't willing to use the legislative force of regulations, inspections and fines -- the negative and punitive side of a "job guarantee" policy. The language of force is the only language that a lot of employers ever understand.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm looking 20 years down the road and seeing this ending very badly for everybody.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
https://angrybearblog.com/2018/05/jobs-jobs-jobs-guaranteed.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Trump’s tough talk on China trade is as empty as his tough talk on, say drug prices. Faced with the prospect of actually going toe to toe with powerful interests – as opposed to doing harm to immigrants or poor people who need health care, etc. – Trump keeps backing down, ignominiously.
But . . .
What happened to all that bluster about trade wars being “good, and easy to win”?
I can think of four reasons Trump ran away:
1. Someone managed to explain the economics to him, and he realized that the trade war wasn’t a good idea
2. He just lost his nerve, as he consistently does when confronting people who aren’t powerless
3. He was bribed, with China offering sweet deals to his personal business interests
4. The Chinese have some kind of tape
It tells you a lot that (1) is highly implausible. China would be hurt worse than the U.S. in an all-out trade war. But the pain wouldn’t be at all one-sided. And it’s possible, I guess, that Trump dimly recognized that reality, or at least noticed that his beloved stock market really doesn’t like trade war talk.
I’m still betting that it’s a bribe and/or some kind of tape.
www.nytimes.com/2018/05/22/opinion/why-a-trade-war-with-china-isnt-eas
y-to-win-slightly-wonkish.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Of course it's a tape. That sneaky Billy Bush. Always luring Trump on buses and getting him to say the wildest things about secret trade deals with Chinese, secret plans to overthrow Democracy with Putin and grabbin pussy. What a kidder.
I remember this one time I was riding the bus with Billy Bush and he got me to to say on tape that being electrocuted through my nips is a huge turn on for me. And I ain't even tried that before. Still on my bucket list though, cause I know it would be. Maybe next time I'm sitting on Billy's lap on the bus? Man we were high.
Starlord for President in 2020. He didn't mean it ya'all.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:But that was only that one time!
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Of course it's a tape. That sneaky Billy Bush. Always luring Trump on buses and getting him to say the wildest things about secret trade deals with Chinese, secret plans to overthrow Democracy with Putin and grabbin pussy. What a kidder.
I remember this one time I was riding the bus with Billy Bush and he got me to to say on tape that being electrocuted through my nips is a huge turn on for me. And I ain't even tried that before. Still on my bucket list though, cause I know it would be. Maybe next time I'm sitting on Billy's lap on the bus? Man we were high.
Starlord for President in 2020. He didn't mean it ya'all.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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