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You object to the military proper being controlled by the military chain of command? You object to the military being paid their existing pay? You object to the military being housed and fed from the military budget? You object to them being quartered in the US?
Those are absurd points. All those circumstances are the current reality. And of the roughly 1.3 million personnel, only 0.2 million are overseas. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/08/22/u-s-active-duty-milita
ry-presence-overseas-is-at-its-smallest-in-decades/
So, where are the other 1.1 million? They're living on and off base, in the US. Here's a listing of US military bases in the US, just FYI:
United States
Alabama
Fort Rucker
Maxwell-Gunter
Redstone Arsenal
Alaska
Eielson
Elmendorf
Fort Richardson
Fort Wainwright
Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson
Arizona
Davis-Monthan Air Force Base
Fort Huachuca
Luke Air Force Base
Marine Corps Air Station Yuma
Yuma Proving Ground
Arkansas
Little Rock
California
China Lake Naval Air Weapons Station
Coast Guard Training Center Petaluma
Fort Irwin
Los Angeles Air Force Base
March Air Reserve Base
Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center - Twentynine Palms
Marine Corps Air Station Miramar
Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton
Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego
Naval Air Station Lemoore
Naval Air Station North Island
Naval Amphibious Base Coronado
Naval Base Coronado
Naval Base Point Loma
Naval Base San Diego
Naval Base Ventura County
Naval Postgraduate School
Presidio of Monterey
San Diego Military Bases
Travis Air Force Base
US Coast Guard Station San Diego
Vandenberg Air Force Base
Colorado
Buckley Air Force Base
Colorado Springs Military Bases
Fort Carson
Peterson Air Force Base
Schriever Air Force Base
United States Air Force Academy
Connecticut
Naval Submarine Base New London
Delaware
Dover Air Force Base
District of Columbia
Joint Base Anacostia-Bolling
Naval District Washington
Walter Reed Army Medical Center
Florida
Eglin Air Force Base
Hurlburt Field
MacDill Air Force Base
Naval Air Station Key West
Naval Air Station Pensacola
Naval Air Station Whiting Field
Naval Station Mayport
Naval Support Activity Panama City
Pensacola Florida Military Bases
Tyndall Air Force Base
United States Southern Command
Georgia
Fort Benning
Fort Gordon
Fort Stewart
Hunter Army Airfield
Naval Submarine Base Kings Bay
Robins Air Force Base
Hawaii
Coast Guard Sector Honolulu
Hickam Air Force Base
Joint Base Pearl Harbor - Hickam
Marine Corps Base Hawaii
Naval Station Pearl Harbor
Oahu Hawaii Military Bases
Schofield Barracks/Fort Shafter
Tripler Army Medical Center
Idaho
Mountain Home Air Force Base
Illinois
Naval Station Great Lakes
Scott AFB Guide
Indiana
Grissom Air Reserve Base
Kansas
Fort Leavenworth
Fort Riley
McConnell Air Force Base
Kentucky
Fort Campbell
Fort Knox
Louisiana
Barksdale Air Force Base
Fort Polk
Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base New Orleans
Maryland
Aberdeen Proving Ground
Andrews Air Force Base
Coast Guard Sector Baltimore
Fort Detrick
Fort George G. Meade
Joint Base Andrews
National Naval Medical Center
Naval Air Station Patuxent River
Naval Support Activity Bethesda
Navy Fort Meade
US Naval Academy
Massachusetts
Fort Devens
Hanscom Air Force Base
Mississippi
Columbus Air Force Base
Keesler Air Force Base
Naval Air Station Meridian
Naval Construction Battalion Center Gulfport
Missouri
Fort Leonard Wood
Whiteman Air Force Base
Montana
Malmstrom Air Force Base
Nebraska
Offutt Air Force Base
Nevada
Creech Air Force Base
Naval Air Station Fallon
Nellis Air Force Base
New Jersey
Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst
New Mexico
Cannon Air Force Base
Holloman Air Force Base
Kirtland Air Force Base
New York
Fort Drum
Fort Hamilton
Naval Support Activity Saratoga Springs
United States Military Academy, West Point
North Carolina
Fayetteville North Carolina Military Bases
Fort Bragg
Jacksonville North Carolina Military Bases
Marine Corps Air Station Cherry Point
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If not for Nixon, I would have been a Burger King manager like my father.- SECOND
So, with all that, SECOND, why is your needle always pegged at "mad at everyone"? I understand if people are in pain or their circumstances are unbearable, but is the only reason for YOU to be pissed-off full time because you're addicted to anger?
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So here I am, making a simple suggestion that we redirect the military - from pointless, money-wasting adventures overseas, to useful, value-producing work at home.
It seems a modest proposal, and non-partisan, in that neither side has any financial or cultural reason to be more against it than the other.= KIKI
Hi. I think that this would be OK as a TRANSITION to a smaller army as recruits finish out their contracts, but I would rather that the money be turned over to a civilian program over time.
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I'm making this particular suggestion because nether party seems to object to the size of the military we have, the number of people in it, or the amount of money that is spent. And a civilian corps would be too much like socialism.
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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In the third part of the great Indian epic the Mahabharata, a powerful spirit named Yaksa asks the oldest and wisest of the Pandava, Yudhistira, what is the greatest of all mysteries. The answer given resounds across millennia: “Every day countless people die, and yet those who remain live as if they were immortals.”
Immortals would be fearless, yet there is a worldwide shortage of courage. That can’t be the mystery. But immortals also have infinite time to waste. There is the mystery! People kill time with trivia as if they are immortals.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
So here I am, making a simple suggestion that we redirect the military - from pointless, money-wasting adventures overseas, to useful, value-producing work at home.
It seems a modest proposal, and non-partisan, in that neither side has any financial or cultural reason to be more against it than the other.= KIKI
Hi. I think that this would be OK as a TRANSITION to a smaller army as recruits finish out their contracts, but I would rather that the money be turned over to a civilian program over time.
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Quote:I'm struggling to pin down what, exactly, bothers me about this idea.
I'm making this particular suggestion because nether party seems to object to the size of the military we have, the number of people in it, or the amount of money that is spent. And a civilian corps would be too much like socialism. - KIKI
I guess I would have to start that with both parties being incredibly corrupt, a solution that THEY would find politically acceptable might not be acceptable to me. In fact, whatever both "establishment" parties can agree on is more likely to be bad than good.
But aside from their approval being a sort of counter-recommendation to me, fundamentally this puts too much power in the hands of the government. It requires people to be put under the military code of justice just for "three hots and a cot" and training, more like modern-day feudalism or prison labor. And it turns the interests of the government in the wrong direction. The government should be following policies whereby everyone who wants to/ can work has a meaningful job at a living wage. Instead, it simply reduces the pressure created by the vast pool of the unemployed, and instead makes unemployment beneficial to (a) the government, because it has a pool of cheap labor that it can direct and (b) military suppliers, who make money off of providing food, housing etc. Prison-like labor, paid for with tax dollars. Its like paying for your own enslavement.
Like I said, the closest I can come to is prison labor. Aside from the practical disincentives that would make this program attractive only to the poorest and most desperate (poor pay, loss of freedom) it would not touch those who might need it the most (homeless, drug-addicted, single parents, mentally unstable) because they would be screened out at the military recruiting step. And in addition to falling under a military code of justice instead of being able to access Constitutional protections, military service-people can NEVER SUE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. This is an outgrowth of being a wartime organization: you can never sue for combat injuries. So the non-combat military would have no practical incentive to feed its recruits well, or to keep them safe, and instead could assign them to the most hazardous duties (Hanford cleanup, anyone?) without fear of consequence.
The best thinking-through of what this could turn out to be was in the first chapters of the first book of the Rissa Kerguelen series, Young Rissa. It was an amazing piece of prognostication that the Soviet Union would fall, and then went on to describe how terrible the world would become under global corporate power, thru the eyes of a young girl who is sucked up into its system of workhouses. Whenever I read about work-for-welfare schemes, I think of this book: First, they take away your work and then they take way your freedom.
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"It requires people to be put under the military code of justice just for "three hots and a cot" and training"
Which they are ALREADY doing. I'm not changing that. Today's all volunteer army requires people who make a choice to join. Some join for the college and post-college benefits, some want to make it a career, some just need a job. But they are certainly wiling to be deployed in an active war zone, and put their lives, health, and futures on the line, to get the economic benefits they seek in the military.
And note: I'm not saying we EXPAND the military.
What part of 'everything else stays the same' do people not get?
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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I've come to the realization (above) by watching Homicide Hunter, which is a real crime TV show. But because it's in Colorado Springs - which has a large collection of military bases and offices in and nearby (within 10 miles) - I've learned a lot about the scope and function of the US military in the economy. Your concern is that it will get that bad. Watching this show I can say it IS that bad. The military is HUGE. Collected all together, it would be a substantial city on a map. We just don't see it because we don't live next to military bases.
Here's a list (some bases have more than 1 physical location):
Peterson Air Force Base
Colorado Springs, CO
(719) 556-7321
Cheyenne Mountain Air Force Station
Colorado Springs, CO
(719) 474-1110
Fort Carson
Fort Carson, CO
(719) 526-5811
Ft. Carson
Colorado Springs, CO
US Army Department
Colorado Springs, CO
(719) 526-3410
US Army Department
Colorado Springs, CO
(719) 526-5958
JBTEC
Colorado Springs, CO
Schriever Air Force Base
Colorado Springs, CO
(719) 567-1110
US Army Space Command
Colorado Springs, CO
US Defense Contract Audit
Colorado Springs, CO
(719) 596-0960
US Defense Contract Audit
Colorado Springs, CO
(719) 596-0960
21st Force Support Squadron
Colorado Springs, CO
(719) 556-4023
Peterson AFB West Gate Visitors Center
Colorado Springs, CO
Off Post Homes
Colorado Springs, CO
(719) 591-7653
United States Air Force Academy
U.S. Air Force Academy, CO
(719) 333-2025
National Guard
Colorado Springs, CO
(719) 596-7184
50th Space Wing
Schriever AFB, CO
(719) 567-5040
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And yet here you are, spending FAR more time than I ever have or will, posting obsessively, helplessly, about Trump multiple times a day. What a freaking waste of all that time.
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In the third part of the great Indian epic the Mahabharata, a powerful spirit named Yaksa asks the oldest and wisest of the Pandava, Yudhistira, what is the greatest of all mysteries. The answer given resounds across millennia: “Every day countless people die, and yet those who remain live as if they were immortals.”
Immortals would be fearless, yet there is a worldwide shortage of courage. That can’t be the mystery. But immortals also have infinite time to waste. There is the mystery! People kill time with trivia as if they are immortals.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
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