How Safe is Canada
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Originally posted by BarnStormer:
Well.......
OK, I finally got the answers from both of you that I asked for. You both would fight if your country was attacked like the U.S. was.
But my own opinion is still the same concerning the extra garnish you placed in your answers.
Sorry guys, but I just don't agree with your view that America is the new "Evil Empire" (and I don't mean Microsoft). But that is my opinion, which I have as much a right to as you have for your opinion.
Here I am again... apology in advance. I always come off as a big ranter.
Well, you're going to have to understand I am not talking about America... never was and you can check all my posts. I'm talking about all of 10 guys in the White House who run the USA, Nixen Neofascists possed up with fundemantalist God burners who have taken over the White House with the help of blind corporate greed. Yes, that's hypobole but it's still accurate.
America isn't any frickin' different than the rest of the world.
Any arguement that begins with "America is wrong because..." has already fallen for the neofasist framing of the arguement.
The enemy is Bush/Cheney. They ordered the American Military and secret service to invade, murder, torture, and devistate a people. Hitler did that too. That's called fascism.
Surely we can differentiate between Germans and Nazis eh?
Be warned - being pro-Bush isn't a valid position, it's insane. It's not defendable and that's why you see English tabloids refering to Americans as "dumb". Tony Blair will be booted soon and then the USA will see Britian leave Bagdadh. Then here will Bush/Cheney be?
Where will America be?
I'll tell ya - wherever those 10 guys who run America say so. That's not a good idea! Think bankrupt, beaten, and hated worldwide? Oh wait... TOO LATE!
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We may not see eye to eye, but we should give each other the benefit of the doubt and not just assume the other is Myopic. Don't you think so?
I'm gone for the weekend, everyone have a good one if you can, and I'll catch you on Monday.
Hope you had a great week-end. My dog died.
And the Amerca of today is incredibly myopic. America lives in a warm bubble of crass commerical corporate TV goo that keeps out anything real. Real is too contraversial in the USA. You can't even play Saving Private Ryan on network TV because of a few "real" words of dialoge, for example.
The thing that gets Gino going is the rhetoric in the USA, this Liberal vs. Conservative extreem view (only on CNN!) thing has run right over any reasonable point of view. It's a joy for the neofascists on American TV (Robert Novak on CNN for example) to arrogantly twist political discourse into an evangelical tent shout down. It makes me sick to watch them destroy any sign of reason just to fill a half hour of thier TV time with hollow jingoism.
Is this what America deserves?
It's easy to see what's going on in the USA. And the Corporate Media is the worst offender of wagging the dog. It makes me laugh (in tears) to see that on one hand the Corporate Media hands Bush/Cheney the White House while B/C themselves send thier "White House Spokesmen" to blame the War on Iraq on the "Liberal Media". It's brilliant... and truly evil.
The arguement in the US right now goes like this - If you're against the Invasion of Iraq, you're Anti-American.
So it's America vs. the world (or you)... not the White House. It's never the White House! Hmmm...
Get it?
Notice it's never the White Houses fault, so WHEN thier actions are critisized the neofascists, with Nazi Party glee, turn around and accuse - "why do you hate America?!?"
Now the arguement is "framed" to mean it's a critisism of America, not them!
Sick.
On top of this crazy situation and wag the dog politics - Americans have no idea that the world has always viewed the USA as aggressive and war mongering and Americans are often shocked by this reaction fr
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Sorry, I thought I was clear when I said
" Sure I would fight, have no illusion about that, but in that case I would compare myself to the German soldier of say late 1944. "
It would be the wrong side, and hopefully the losing side... but I would stand with my country none the less. But also I truely believe that in Canada we would never have been attacked for the reasons you were, we have had a history of bad governments... but not ones which are completely immoral.
Gino,
I'm a little disconcerted with your answer.
Not the fact that you and Ghoulman keep comparing the U.S. with "WW2 Facist Nazi Germany" which I think is just some deep seated need of yours to insult this country due to your apparent frustration with this nations policies.
What I'm more concerned and "Shocked" by is your statement that even if Canada turned into a Fascist Genocidal country like Nazi Germany, that you would still support it.
I would'nt. If that ever truly happened in this country (yes, I know you guys keep slapping that label on us, but I in no way agree with you), any other american would have a hard time beating me to the polls to vote for the presidents impeachment.
I have to say,I'm a bit disappointed
Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.
BarnStormer
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"Not the fact that you and Ghoulman keep comparing the U.S. with "WW2 Facist Nazi Germany"
Only in that your side is wrong and it will eventually lose. I actually think of you more as 1930's Japan trying to expand and grab as much resources as you can get away with.
" which I think is just some deep seated need of yours to insult this country due to your apparent frustration with this nations policies."
It's that or simply start shooting.
" What I'm more concerned and "Shocked" by is your statement that even if Canada turned into a Fascist Genocidal country like Nazi Germany, that you would still support it. "
No, I said I would fight outside countrys attempting to FORCE us to change to their system. I also expressed the belief we would have a civil war long before we got to your point, I honestly feel the average Canadian is a little most informed internationally than most Americans... We wouldn't let our government get out of hand.
" I would'nt. If that ever truly happened in this country (yes, I know you guys keep slapping that label on us, but I in no way agree with you), any other american would have a hard time beating me to the polls to vote for the presidents impeachment. "
Long as it is some other poor bastard fighting for his country, in his country and it does'nt affect the homefront, you are willing to turn a blind eye right. That is why the war is going to come to you more and more....
Ghoully is wrong about one thing, I myself REALLY don't care what happens inside the US, you could go to wearing sheets and howling at the moon, so what. It is your foreign policy I object to..
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Well, you're going to have to understand I am not talking about America... never was and you can check all my posts. I'm talking about all of 10 guys in the White House who run the USA
well Bush was elected as President this time around at least according to the media, so America meaning Us or at least the people who voted him no longer get a free pass, Now this country and the people in it will have to take on some of the respossiblity its not just the 10 guys in the White house anymore
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The thing that gets Gino going is the
rhetoric in the USA, this Liberal vs. Conservative extreem view (only on CNN!) thing has run right over any reasonable point of view. It's a joy for the neofascists on American TV (Robert Novak on CNN for example) to arrogantly twist political discourse into an evangelical tent shout down. It makes me sick to watch them destroy any sign of reason just to fill a half hour of thier TV time with hollow jingoism
I have got to stop using the liberal Vs conservative view point because.even though all the while I clearly realize that we are all in the same boat
alot of conservatives don't even realize that the Republican party as they think of it , doesn't exsist under the Bush Administration, its been taken over by neocon's fascist!!
instead of using them and us its not them and us its all of us..I've let that propaganda get to me, your right the neofascist love it, they want to keep us divided
anyway just wanted to say great post all around!!
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If the terrorists had murdered 3000 of your countrymen using airliners filled with innocent people as their weapon of choice,
What would you do????????
well I would go after the specific terrorist group that commited the crime.
I would Not declare War on a country that didn't have anything to do with it, and then use false pretenses that changed from month to month, about going to war
Nor would I Declare War on all terrorist because that is a War that you can never win and that will never end. anybody can be a terrorist, terrorist are created by terror ,
we are considered terrorist in Iraq..and we are creating more terrorist everyday with our actions!! so its a loosing battle
to put it simply I would do what the Bush administration did not do!!
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@BarnStormer:
You know what, you're right about one thing here. That is, that Bush and Hilter don't have everything in common. I mean, there is at least on HUGE difference... Hitler was successful to a large extent.
EDIT: Missed a very important word. Inserted it so my post made sense
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"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
[B]@BarnStormer:
You know what, you're right about one thing here. That is, that Bush and Hilter don't have everything in common. I mean, there is at least on HUGE difference... Hitler was successful to a large extent.
EDIT: Missed a very important word. Inserted it so my post made sense
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"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show
Pardon me SigmaNunki,
I have never stated anything of the kind. Please don't put words in my mouth. That's a very rude thing to do.
The ONLY thing that Bush and Hitler have in common is that they were both born Human. A trait that is shared with all the people on this planet. Hitler however lost his humanity somewhere along that twisted path of his life.
Any comparison of Pres. Bush to Hitler is just plain ludicrous.
In addition, I find it morally repugnant that you or anyone else would find anything that Hitler and his ilk had done as "Succesfull"
That one statement alone shows how lacking in Humanity you are!!!!!!!!!
Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.
BarnStormer
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Originally posted by BarnStormer:
I have never stated anything of the kind. Please don't put words in my mouth. That's a very rude thing to do.
I said, "That is, that Bush and Hilter don't have everything in common." So, then they do have everything in common? That is the opposite of what I said after all.
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Originally posted by BarnStormer:
The ONLY thing that Bush and Hitler have in common is that they were both born Human. A trait that is shared with all the people on this planet. Hitler however lost his humanity somewhere along that twisted path of his life.
Torture, trying to take over the world, forcing there beliefs on others that don't want it, illegally invading countries that had done nothing to provoke it, etc. Seems to be somewhat similar to me.
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Originally posted by BarnStormer:
In addition, I find it morally repugnant that you or anyone else would find anything that Hitler and his ilk had done as "Succesfull"
You seem to confuse the term successful with agreement. He had goals and achieved them to a large degree. Were they bad? Yes. Does that matter when only considering if he accomplished them? No. You are confusing the issue.
Did Hilter try to take over Europe?
Aside from the UK he did. He as well took a good chunk of Russia. This make him largly successful in this regard.
Did Hilter want to and try to kill all the Jews?
Yes, he did. Hilter didn't get all of them, but a large number of them. So, this would make him successful to a large extent here as well.
It was like this in all his endevours? In general, did he achieve to a large degree what he wanted to acheive?
Yes.
Was it good that we stopped him so that he failed in his endevours?
God YES!
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Originally posted by BarnStormer:
That one statement alone shows how lacking in Humanity you are!!!!!!!!!
This statement and the ones you made above, show just how "intellegent" you are. Or perhaps you should just think before you type next time.
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SigmaNunki,
I was hoping you would respond like this. Sorry for my method of provoking it.
And thank you for proving my point.
This thread has morphed from a an alarmist "oh my god, Canada must be next" to an attempted proof of this concern by stating that Pres. Bush and his cabinet are a Fascist Nazi regime just like Hitler in the 30's and 40's.
So, lets go thru your list from your response.
Your Response:
Did Hilter try to take over Europe?
Aside from the UK he did. He as well took a good chunk of Russia. This make him largly successful in this regard.
My Response:
Yes, Hitler did try to take over Europe by force. Although why you don't include the UK in this I'm not sure. I always thought the battle of Britian was the precursor of the invasion of the UK, but fortunately Hitler failed to break Britains resolve. Unlike Poland, France, ect.
Now, the US has not invaded Europe, or for that matter its local equivalent neigboring countries like Canada, Mexico, Greenland, South America ect.
The US has not attacked anyone with the intention of annexing that country.
Yes, the US did attack Afganistan. This was done ONLY bacause of the Talibans harboring of the Group of people who did attack America on American soil (attacked not just once, but several times), but also attacked US Embassies and military units in overseas friendly countries.
But did the US attack Afganistan in order to keep it for ourselves? No, the US did not. The US removed the terrorist Taliban regime, and instituted a goverment that just held free elections for the first time in its history. All in all, most people around the world know that the Afgani people are safer and happier now than they were 4 years ago.
As far as Iraq and Saddam are concerned, lets not forget that after the 1990 war with Iraq, which was fought because SADDAM invaded a neigbor country (the US did not start that war), the war did not end. It was a Cease fire contigent on Saddams meeting of the UN resolutions. Saddam did not meet these resolution, continued to fire on Coalition aircraft, attempted to assasinate a former president of the US, and murdered countless numbers of his own people. Saddam violated the Cease fire agreement for over ten years, so a Coalition went back in to finish the job. A side benefit of this was to stop Saddams harboring and abetting terrorist (payouts to suicide bombers ect.)
Your Response:
Did Hilter want to and try to kill all the Jews?
Yes, he did. Hilter didn't get all of them, but a large number of them. So, this would make him successful to a large extent here as well.
My Response:
Yes, Hitler killed 6 million or so before the end of his sorry life. Again, I believe the vast majority of the world believe this was an act of Genocide on Hitlers part.
I know that there is another thread around about how the US fight in Fallujah is an act of Genocide against the Sunni minority, but I can't even start to understand how anyone can believe anything the US is doing in Fallujah equates to Genocide. If any act of Genocide is taking place there, it's the doing of the insurgents and foreign fighters.
Your response:
Was it good that we stopped him so that he failed in his endevours?
God YES!
My response:
Amen to that!
So, in conclusion, any cariciture of Pres Bush being the "reincarnation" of Hitler is just so much sour grape political rhetoric by people who don't like the idea that the US is standing up and fighting for itself against the enemies that have declared war on it.
I guess they would feel better if the US just folded under like Spain did when the train got blown up.
I just don't see the logic in that 
Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.
BarnStormer
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" Barnstormer:
And thank you for proving my point.
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And that would be?
" Barnstormer:
to an attempted proof of this concern by stating that Pres. Bush and his cabinet are a Fascist Nazi regime just like Hitler in the 30's and 40's.
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I never said that they were the same. I said there are similar. If you would look to history you would see a lot of similarities as well. My wife (who is German by the way) sees them as well. In her country they teach exactly what Hilter was to prevent it from happening again. So, I would think that he would know what she's talking about. You should really look to history before you start spouting off about how someone is "wrong."
" Barnstormer:
Although why you don't include the UK in this I'm not sure.
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If you would have read my post and knew alittle something about history you would realize that I was talking about what Hilter was successful in doing. Did he take the UK? No! That's why I didn't include it.
" Barnstormer:
The US has not attacked anyone with the intention of annexing that country.
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Um, that's highly debatable. I mean annex what? There oil? Then I would use this term. How about installing a puppet regime so that control is basically assured? I consider that an implicit annex, which is pretty much what's going on.
" Barnstormer:
Yes, the US did attack Afganistan.
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I never said anything about Afganistan. And incase you didn't notice, there were other countries there too! Canada included. The world was for this one.
And by the way, the elections there are a joke. The country-side is untravelable. Even the armed forces there will only travel by air. The forces there basically own Kabul and that's it. Woo Hoo, all hail the president of Kabul!
And from an interview from one of your own CIA agents, there were approx. 50,000 Taliban at the beginning of the war and about 40,000 made it to the mountains to fight again another day... which they are. I'd hardly call it a largely successful endevour.
But, no, the US didn't stay there. In fact over the past years the US has moved forces out of Afganistan and placed them in Iraq basically turning its back on the war on terror forcing the rest of the world to pick up its slack.
What was that about the US being soooo against terrorism again?
You should read the news more often. Perhaps you should also rethink that happier thing as well.
" Barnstormer:
As far as Iraq and Saddam are concerned, lets not forget that after the 1990 war with Iraq, which was fought because SADDAM invaded a neigbor country...
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Which he didn't do this time round. And the world was for the former and not for the latter you know.
" Barnstormer:
...and murdered countless numbers of his own people.
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I was watching C-SPAN one day (before this illegal invasion of Iraq) and saw one rep. up there talking about the horrible things that Saddam had done. Funny thing was, that on the list (there were dates) there was nothing listed in this regard after the first Gulf war... interesting.
" Barnstormer:
A side benefit of this was to stop Saddams harboring and abetting terrorist (payouts to suicide bombers ect.)
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There is no evidence for this. It is all heresay. And Saddam hated Bin Laden.
" Barnstormer:
...If any act of Genocide is taking place there, it's the doing of the insurgents and foreign fighters.
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Yes the comparison to genocide here is silly, but so is yours.
You basically agree with me and then say that? How would the insurgents and foreign fighters doing what they're doing equat genocide? Last I looked there are about 300 mill americans and what, acouple thousand dead? A far cry from from any significant percentage.
In my conclusion, I'll state that I'm not saying that Bush is Hilter, never did. I'm saying that they are similar, that they've done things that are parrallel. It is clear if you look what they've both done. I listed some above and you seemed to ignore it. Convenient.
And Iraq did nothing to des
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