How Safe is Canada
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UPDATED: Saturday, January 31, 2026 18:13
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
There are many of us who WILL fight, imagine them trying to racially profile white guys, who speak like them, who are familar with their culture.
ROFLMAO..hehehehe.. I can see it now..
We get 30 Canucks in a line and say REPEAT AFTER ME.."I walk about town"
30 responses "I walk aboot town ay"
*giggles* we'll be able to tell them apart easily hahahaha.
Personally I'm not too worried about it. Gino- you talk awful tough talk for a Peacenik roflmao. Perhaps maybe you could look at our actions by putting yourself in our shoes. 9/11 created the same feeling of nationalism of which you speak would occur in Canada if the US ever invaded (which I might add is just ridiculous commentary). I would expect the people of Canada to rise up and try and kick some ass. They have done it in every instance of TRUE war. Does that make them warmongers? Absolutely not..it makes them human.
I still think it's funny that you think your "Friends" would step up to the plate. I guess a whole country must suffer if the UN decides they don't like their leader, as Sig stated previously as reasoning for the UN not coming to the Aid of the Iraqi's. As for control of Iraq..the insurgency's days are numbered. Up to this point we've handled the situation with kids gloves. Now that Bush is re-elected, I portend a much different approach, particulary with the average Iraqi behind us.
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peacenik ? whereever did you get that idea ?
I spent five years in the infantry training for war,
As for 911, so what. US foriegn policy has killed people around the world by the hundreds of thousands, perhaps you should quit your crying more and more people around the world are starting to think Bin Laden has a point.
I don't care what the rest of the world does, I don't care about anyones individual politics, the way I see it people can and should be held accountable for the actions of their country. While I might even call a few Americans friend, if that war happens ANYONE who lives south of my border is a target.
Personally, I'm glad Bush was elected. It should isolate your country further, make people around the world hate your frigging country that much more.
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It's fine to hold the people of a country responsible for their actions. But to hold anyone single individual responsible? I don't know about that. You way of thinking makes me think of people who say "Kill all of them ragheads" - just another bunch of ignorant folks who can't think rationally.
Now, it maybe that you were thinking that and the wrong words just came out of your mouth. But it's all the same here from reading what you have there.
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
peacenik ? whereever did you get that idea ?
I spent five years in the infantry training for war,
As for 911, so what. US foriegn policy has killed people around the world by the hundreds of thousands, perhaps you should quit your crying more and more people around the world are starting to think Bin Laden has a point.
I don't care what the rest of the world does, I don't care about anyones individual politics, the way I see it people can and should be held accountable for the actions of their country. While I might even call a few Americans friend, if that war happens ANYONE who lives south of my border is a target.
Personally, I'm glad Bush was elected. It should isolate your country further, make people around the world hate your frigging country that much more.
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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
It's fine to hold the people of a country responsible for their actions. But to hold anyone single individual responsible? I don't know about that. You way of thinking makes me think of people who say "Kill all of them ragheads" - just another bunch of ignorant folks who can't think rationally.
Now, it maybe that you were thinking that and the wrong words just came out of your mouth. But it's all the same here from reading what you have there.
It is the nature of war, look at WW2 for example. Surely not everyone who died at Hiroshima, or Nagasaki supported the war, but they were held accountable for the actions of Japan. Or the Hundred years war between Britain and France, anyone on the other side was an enemy, personal beliefs are not taken into account. Nor should they be. Are you more responsible to your target when you fire a single bullet, or a nuke ?
You pay taxes, you contribute to the state making war on me. Why should I hesitate to pull that trigger ?
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I think that's what I am trying to say, but more so. Two things that make us great (amongst other things) are that we are capable of rational thought, forming and understanding these ideas; but not only that. More importantly, knowing these types of typical mob mentality, understanding it, and rising above it. Or are we all just lemmings waiting to hop off the cliff?
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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
It's fine to hold the people of a country responsible for their actions. But to hold anyone single individual responsible? I don't know about that. You way of thinking makes me think of people who say "Kill all of them ragheads" - just another bunch of ignorant folks who can't think rationally.
Now, it maybe that you were thinking that and the wrong words just came out of your mouth. But it's all the same here from reading what you have there.
And I don't know if we were thinking of "holding those people in Nagasaki responsible for the actions of their imperial Army". I think we were pretty much mad as hell and that was the only thing we could do to generate the biggest shock and bring the war into their country.
If there isn't any personal accountability, then why do we have war crimes and war criminals. Why didn't we just toast Germany in entirety?
It is the nature of war, look at WW2 for example. Surely not everyone who died at Hiroshima, or Nagasaki supported the war, but they were held accountable for the actions of Japan. Or the Hundred years war between Britain and France, anyone on the other side was an enemy, personal beliefs are not taken into account. Nor should they be. Are you more responsible to your target when you fire a single bullet, or a nuke ?
You pay taxes, you contribute to the state making war on me. Why should I hesitate to pull that trigger ?
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" I think we were pretty much mad as hell and that was the only thing we could do to generate the biggest shock and bring the war into their country. "
As are the enemies you are fighting now, so by your logic 911 was justified ?
" If there isn't any personal accountability, then why do we have war crimes and war criminals. Why didn't we just toast Germany in entirety? "
Funny that, the winners get to decide what was a crime, and who is guilty of such. I suppose the trick is not to lose, or die fighting.
And in my view, the US is full of lemmings running towards a cliff. The road you are taking in the world today will end you, maybe not tommorow or next week, but eventually...
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
" I think we were pretty much mad as hell and that was the only thing we could do to generate the biggest shock and bring the war into their country. "
As are the enemies you are fighting now, so by your logic 911 was justified ?
hmmmm... no, I was talking exactly and only about Japan. The same circumstances are not going on with this current set of events.
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
" If there isn't any personal accountability, then why do we have war crimes and war criminals. Why didn't we just toast Germany in entirety? "
Funny that, the winners get to decide what was a crime, and who is guilty of such. I suppose the trick is not to lose, or die fighting.
hmmm... well. The "winners", that is in this instance - the world held a tribunal, to judge those war criminals who committed atrocities on the world.
so, by extension of your logic and argument. You are saying that the actions and atrocities of and committed by the Nazis were quite and well justified and that they should have ballads and awards instead of being tried for their crimes?
Look now, I think it was your argument that we should view the "enemy" all as an aggregate as the "evil dirty bastards that they are" without regarding individual views; and that even realizing this that we should disregard the "reasoning" for these prejudices completely and continue on being blinded by it.
But now, you are refuting it and saying that and taking a different direction altogether.
I don't understand where this is going. It's just mindlessly hashing old points just because the words are there. I don't see any rational line of argument.
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
And in my view, the US is full of lemmings running towards a cliff. The road you are taking in the world today will end you, maybe not tommorow or next week, but eventually...
" Looking for a place to happen, making stops along the way "
Right so, you see that we should all view the other guys as a united whole without any sort of individuality or responsibility; AND you view US pretty much the same as a bunch of lemmings. So where do we go from there? Since we are capable of recognizing this, should we do something about this, or should we just let it vanish like the fleeting thought that it is and dip our snout back into the trough?
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
You pay taxes, you contribute to the state making war on me. Why should I hesitate to pull that trigger ?
ROFLMAO..WHO THE HELL IS MAKING WAR ON YOU?!!! WHAT THE @#$@#@ ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!!!!
Do me a favor..sit back, grab a smoke and enjoy one of those famous Canadian Beers , I enjoy so much, on me. I have quite a few Canadian friends (believe it or not..particularly those from the SCA..and they don't spend their lives mulling whether or not Canada is going to be invaded tomorrow by the US), who think that Americans aren't the warmongers of the world. As it turns out..when someone is in trouble- We the US of A are the first to hear the requests for aid and all the bellyaching that ensues.
As for your "Quit your crying" comment. The only ones I hear crying (Am I definitely concerned about the war? yes, crying no..) are the
pansies who believe the US is going to invade them tomorrow, or the Left wing nutcase fringe (The elections proved they really are the fringe and not the majority) who think the world is going to end tomorrow.NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
" hmmmm... no, I was talking exactly and only about Japan. The same circumstances are not going on with this current set of events. "
Hold on here, either it was a legitimate act of warfare, or it was not. Or are you saying that it was okay because you did it to them and you get to make the rules ? The line between modern warfare and mass murder is a thin one, but in the end it is either yes or no
" so, by extension of your logic and argument. You are saying that the actions and atrocities of and committed by the Nazis were quite and well justified and that they should have ballads and awards instead of being tried for their crimes? "
No, actually I am saying that many war crimes were committed by the allied powers as well, these were never punished, or accounted for. Justice is equal, or it is not justice at all.
" Look now, I think it was your argument that we should view the "enemy" all as an aggregate as the "evil dirty bastards that they are" without regarding individual views; and that even realizing this that we should disregard the "reasoning" for these prejudices completely and continue on being blinded by it. "
A soldier, particularly one fighting an enemy with your resources cannot take the time to try to only damage those who hold an opposing viewpoint. How many of the Iraqi civilians killed by your use of airpower may have been Baathists, or rebels... and how many not... they are dead and its doesn't really matter anymore does it ?
" So where do we go from there? "
A fair question, If I had that answer I'd gladly give it. Perhaps taking a real long look at the effects of your foreign policy the past forty years might help you see where you went wrong
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" The elections proved they really are the fringe ?"
Not worldwide, as for your domestic agenda, I really couldn't careless. You get the government you deserve, I only object to the crap your foreign policy generates, and the backlash it has on me and mine.
Like Mal once said
" Go run your little world "
quit trying to run everyone elses
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