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SIGNYM

Sunday, January 14, 2018 9:18 PM

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Aren't science and skepticism equal partners?

Yes, but they aren't the ONLY partners. Because "science" isn't stuck on being permanently skeptical about explanations for which there is already ample evidence. You don't see scientists going around still wondering if the earth is flat, do you? Or if the planets rotate around the sun?

People make the scientific method sound cut-and-dried, but there is a step in science which is like lightening in a bottle, and it's inspiration. That is the point at which you see what OTHERS have seen, but suddenly you see it in a new way because an idea comes to you that ties all of these observations together ... When Darwin saw the variety of finches and the idea of natural selection came to him, or when William Smith (a surveyor) noticed repeatable patterns of layers of rock (along with their embedded fossils) and came up with the idea that rocks were laid down in layers across large expanses of the country, and also came up with the idea of the Principle of Faunal Succession (a precursor to the theory of evolution). Alfred Wegener proposed that Africa and South America at one time were joined and subsequently drifted apart. When necropsying apes, marine biologist Alister Hardy noted the aquatic-adapted features of humans and proposed an aquatic (seashore) portion of our evolution as the key difference between us and other hominids.

Evidence is all around us. Uncounted millions of people have trod the same landscape, idly listened to the same chirping birds, looked at the same globe ... and at each other ... and never noticed the unifying process which tied the observations together.

Usually the questions come up AFTER an answer has been proposed. IF the answer survives the "shoot rocks at it" stage, it is accepted until other, better, more compelling evidence comes along.

I've asked for some of the compelling evidence on global climate change, and RAPPY has brought some interesting points to the board. I don't want to recapitulate the entire discussion here, but while most of the arguments can be easily explained away, there is one that still requires a little hand-waving to dismiss, and I don't think that the entire answer has been uncovered yet.

Point being, with enough evidence, scientific theories are accepted until better evidence comes along. Mike Rowe doesn't seem to want to accept that the theory of global warming has been accepted already; he assumes that science is stuck in a permanent state of doubt on that issue. It's not. Scientists may be WRONG, but there is very little doubt on that end; and until real EVIDENCE comes along which DISPROVES the theory of human-forced global warming, that is the prevailing hypothesis.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

SIGNYM

Sunday, January 14, 2018 9:23 PM

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For the record: You set the f*cking gold standard for that - or don't you remember?

For the record, I said that IF YOU CONTINUE TO LIBEL ME and I FIND OUT WHO YOU ARE I WILL COME AFTER YOU IN COURT. Remember? I'm talking about LEGAL proceedings. Surely the thought of being taken to court isn't THAT scary, is it? Seems to me that you have enough lawyers and enough money to be well-insulated from all the inconvenience. And what am I asking you to do? To stop LIBELING me. And what is LIBEL? Well, it is spreading damaging LIES about someone. So, all YOU have to do is .... wait for it ... stop LYING about me, and all will be copacetic.

Now, I know lying comes to you as naturally as breathing (you just did it!) and it may be difficult for you to stop, but in reality its a reasonable expectation .... not to lie about people online... and so ultimately the boundaries on your behavior should be pretty clear: STOP LYING and you'll be OK!

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But, if I had said that I would hunt you down and destroy you because you've offended me in some unspecified manner; crush you personally and professionally in every way that I could reach you ... and I had a history of being able to do just that ... that would be a different story, wouldn't it?

None of you should be egging on this kind of threat, and if you are then you're just as sick and twisted as the people that you claim to be against. A giant GONG should be going off in YOUR head as to what you advocate and what you've become. Because you've become that abusive person who beats up on someone because you feel frustrated and had a bad day/week/year. There is nothing merciful, humane, or good in it.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

SECOND

Sunday, January 14, 2018 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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People who uncork their violent tendencies and THREATEN people, unprovoked, are unhinged.

For the record: You set the f*cking gold standard for that - or don't you remember?
For the record, I said that IF YOU CONTINUE TO LIBEL ME and I FIND OUT WHO YOU ARE I WILL COME AFTER YOU IN COURT. Remember? I'm talking about LEGAL proceedings. Surely the thought of being taken to court isn't THAT scary, is it? Seems to me that you have enough lawyers and enough money to be well-insulated from all the inconvenience. And what am I asking you to do? To stop LIBELING me. And what is LIBEL? Well, it is spreading damaging LIES about someone. So, all YOU have to do is .... wait for it ... stop LYING about me, and all will be copacetic.

Signym, you are using a pseudonym. A pseudo-person can't actually be libeled because they don't exist. But if you did hire a lawyer to sue, despite there being no chance of winning, the court would require you to give your real name when your lawyer files the case.

A much faster way to get revenge on someone libeling you who you know their real address is to call 911 and send a SWAT team to their home. Maybe someone will die?
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/13/16888710/barris-swatting-dea
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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, January 14, 2018 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

People who uncork their violent tendencies and THREATEN people, unprovoked, are unhinged.

For the record: You set the f*cking gold standard for that - or don't you remember?
For the record, I said that IF YOU CONTINUE TO LIBEL ME and I FIND OUT WHO YOU ARE I WILL COME AFTER YOU IN COURT. Remember? I'm talking about LEGAL proceedings. Surely the thought of being taken to court isn't THAT scary, is it? Seems to me that you have enough lawyers and enough money to be well-insulated from all the inconvenience. And what am I asking you to do? To stop LIBELING me. And what is LIBEL? Well, it is spreading damaging LIES about someone. So, all YOU have to do is .... wait for it ... stop LYING about me, and all will be copacetic.
Signym, you are using a pseudonym. A pseudo-person can't actually be libeled because they don't exist. But if you did hire a lawyer to sue, despite there being no chance of winning, the court would require you to give your real name when your lawyer files the case.

A much faster way to get revenge on someone libeling you who you know their real address is to call 911 and send a SWAT team to their home. Maybe someone will die?
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/13/16888710/barris-swatting-dea
th-charges

Yeah. Good advice.

These are the type of people we're dealing with here. T has advocated for everybody on the board to HATE us, and is encouraging somebody to Dox us because he doesn't like us. Second talks about how he wants to murder people and hide the body and suggests that rather than go to court you should just find out who they are and send the swat team to their house in hopes they actually die. Wishy stands by the sidelines with her pitchfork and torch and cheerleads the whole process.

These are not reasonable people. They might have been at one point, but this world has driven them mad.

This isn't even fun anymore. I think it might be time to take a break for a while until things cool down. SGG coming in sometimes and ranting and swearing up a storm is one thing, but you people are out for blood.

You're sick. You need to take a real good look in the mirror and see what you're turning into and how much it mirrors what you think you're standing up against.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Sunday, January 14, 2018 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Yeah. Good advice.

These are the type of people we're dealing with here. T has advocated for everybody on the board to HATE us, and is encouraging somebody to Dox us because he doesn't like us. Second talks about how he wants to murder people and hide the body and suggests that rather than go to court you should just find out who they are and send the swat team to their house in hopes they actually die. Wishy stands by the sidelines with her pitchfork and torch and cheerleads the whole process.

These are not reasonable people. They might have been at one point, but this world has driven them mad.

This isn't even fun anymore. I think it might be time to take a break for a while until things cool down. SGG coming in sometimes and ranting and swearing up a storm is one thing, but you people are out for blood.

You're sick. You need to take a real good look in the mirror and see what you're turning into and how much it mirrors what you think you're standing up against.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Just for reference, since Signym is talking about suing for libel:
"Why Donald Trump Has Never Won a Libel Case"

Perfect example of Trump's frivolous ways: suing HBO comedian-host Bill Maher “for suckering Trump into sending his birth certificate to prove he was not the 'spawn' of an orangutan.” Trump filed a $5-million breach-of-contract lawsuit since Maher said he'd donate $5 million to charity if Trump could prove it, only to then withdraw the suit after it was quickly ridiculed.
www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/10/donald-trump-has-never-won-a-libel-cas
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Sunday, January 14, 2018 11:01 PM

Thank you, SIX, for that summary. I'm not going to post on this topic any more, I think my POV should be clear by now. The only ethical reason for violence is to defend someone from violence. If you blur that standard. then you wind up being what you say you're against; and you've lost whatever moral high ground you thought you had.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

SECOND

Sunday, January 14, 2018 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Thank you, SIX, for that summary. I'm not going to post on this topic any more, I think my POV should be clear by now. The only ethical reason for violence is to defend someone from violence. If you blur that standard. then you wind up being what you say you're against; and you've lost whatever moral high ground you thought you had.

The Civil War had to be fought because the question of slavery could not be decided politely in a debate between two philosophers sitting beneath a Magnolia tree drinking mint juleps. It had to be violently decided without your prissy little "The only ethical reason for violence is to defend someone from violence." One side had thousands of years of history, plus the bible, plus their own economic interests supporting slavery. And the other side had nothing, at least in the opinion of every slave owner and those people who had aspirations to one day own a slave so that the new owner would not have to work so hard.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, January 14, 2018 11:36 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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For the record: You set the f*cking gold standard for that - or don't you remember?
For the record, I said that IF YOU CONTINUE TO LIBEL ME and I FIND OUT WHO YOU ARE I WILL COME AFTER YOU IN COURT. Remember? I'm talking about LEGAL proceedings. Surely the thought of being taken to court isn't THAT scary, is it? Seems to me that you have enough lawyers and enough money to be well-insulated from all the inconvenience. And what am I asking you to do? To stop LIBELING me. And what is LIBEL? Well, it is spreading damaging LIES about someone. So, all YOU have to do is .... wait for it ... stop LYING about me, and all will be copacetic.

Now, I know lying comes to you as naturally as breathing (you just did it!) and it may be difficult for you to stop, but in reality its a reasonable expectation .... not to lie about people online... and so ultimately the boundaries on your behavior should be pretty clear: STOP LYING and you'll be OK!

****

But, if I had said that I would hunt you down and destroy you because you've offended me in some unspecified manner; crush you personally and professionally in every way that I could reach you ... and I had a history of being able to do just that ... that would be a different story, wouldn't it?

None of you should be egging on this kind of threat, and if you are then you're just as sick and twisted as the people that you claim to be against. A giant GONG should be going off in YOUR head as to what you advocate and what you've become. Because you've become that abusive person who beats up on someone because you feel frustrated and had a bad day/week/year. There is nothing merciful, humane, or good in it.

I wonder if he would have made more sense by saying he will destroy you, for your own good, because he loves you. You know, being decent, humane, merciful and all.

1KIKI

Monday, January 15, 2018 1:14 AM

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your prissy little "The only ethical reason for violence is to defend someone from violence."

For the record, the south started the Civil War with a military attack on a northern fort - Fort Sumpter. Without that ill-fated attack, there might not have been a war. You don't seem to know your history.

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

SECOND

Monday, January 15, 2018 1:54 AM

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your prissy little "The only ethical reason for violence is to defend someone from violence."
For the record, the south started the Civil War with a military attack on a northern fort - Fort Sumpter. Without that ill-fated attack, there might not have been a war. You don't seem to know your history.

You spelled Fort Sumpter. It's Sumter and the battle was in April 1861. But months before that was the "ill-fated" notion that a state had the right to nullify federal laws and, even, secede from the United States. A convention summoned unanimously voted to secede on December 20, 1860, and adopted the "Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union".

It argued for states' rights for slave owners in the South, but contained a complaint about states' rights in the North in the form of opposition to the Fugitive Slave Act, claiming that Northern states were not fulfilling their federal obligations under the Constitution to return living property that had run away to the North on two legs. I can see how this philosophical disagreement about slaves not being human could end with somebody being shot dead in anger.

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