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Quote:Is your memory THAT bad? Or are you THAT deluded? There's a very real, direct, personal threat right at the top of this thread.
Originally posted by G:
I don't recall anyone else ever doing that or any other personal threats on this board, do you?
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Quote:And one you don't share, either. I guess you and Trump are quite alike in that regard.
"Guys, one more appeal to reason: like it or not, WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. We either find a way forward together, or we sink into the swamp together. "
That is a great sentiment but one our president does not share, surely you see that.
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The problem isn't that democrats don't know how to come together as a party. Because a mere 8 years ago - at the start of Obama's first term - democrats had Congress AND the presidency.
senate
house
And from 1960 through 1990, the majority of governors were democratic, with the exception of 3 years. And democrats had control of Congress and the White House during Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, and Clinton's first 2 years.
Once again - you're wrong. This isn't about because ... democrats.
Democrats as democrats have done well in the past. So, what are democrats doing wrong now?
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Originally posted by G:
I didn't include this quote because it would make me look ... wrong. "This administration, and those who support it, are in opposition to everything I have ever held dear, and in opposition to everything that was ever humane or decent - should you announce your support, or even admiration for it ..."
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Quote:No, but I think YOU do.
No there isn't - do you see a name? Unless they "... stand against humanity, decency, and mercy... " they have nothing to worry about. Or were you thinking SIGNYM fits that description?- GSTRING
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Originally posted by second:Quote:The problem with the Democrats is the same one it alway had: "I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat." -- Will Rogers, 1935
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You've got 3 years to fix this shit. Talk to T. As I just stated earlier this morning, he seems to be the only Democrat here that knows what the problems with his party are.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Will_Rogers
In a Parliamentary system, the Democrats would be a minority (collision? coalition!) of a bunch of little parties with slightly incompatible beliefs. There is no fix for that. The Democrats will always lose, except when the GOP does something stupendously incompetent. Think of Herbert Hoover not responding to the Great Depression. We don't have the hindsight of history with Trump that we do with Hoover, but for the record, Trump gives the strong impression of being incompetent.
What are you talking about? Are you so delusional that you believe that the GOP is a Borg-like hive-mind?
This ain't Braveheart honey, and you're no Mel Gibson.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:The Democrats don't stick together. In today's Houston Chronicle there was an article about the two MLK Jr parades that marched simultaneously a couple of miles apart. After 21 years, the Democratic mayor says that next year, if he can get the city council to agree, there will be only one permit issued for one parade, not two. The mayor said something about a house divided against itself cannot stand. That is the Democratic Party. Even when everyone in the party more or less agrees, the party still falls apart. The party has hopelessly stupid internal disagreements.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
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The problem isn't that democrats don't know how to come together as a party. Because a mere 8 years ago - at the start of Obama's first term - democrats had Congress AND the presidency.
senate
house
And from 1960 through 1990, the majority of governors were democratic, with the exception of 3 years. And democrats had control of Congress and the White House during Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, and Clinton's first 2 years.
Once again - you're wrong. This isn't about because ... democrats.
Democrats as democrats have done well in the past. So, what are democrats doing wrong now?
www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Turner-cal
ls-for-one-MLK-Parade-in-2019-12500046.php
The stupidity of Democrats shows in bigger questions than two parades or one. The FISA got reauthorized because, I'll just quote:
Quote:www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/democrats-just-handed-trump-more-domesti
Democrats have been all over the airwaves recently accusing Donald Trump of abusing the Justice Department to go after his political enemies —most notably his former opponent Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation, which the Department of Justice is reportedly currently investigating based on allegation made during the 2016 presidential campaign. So you’d think they would oppose handing Donald Trump any more power with which he could potentially use against all sorts of Americans who attract negative attention from his administration.
Yet, with the help of some Democrats, the House of Representatives voted today — and the Senate will do so sometime in the next week — to extend a controversial NSA surveillance power that potentially affects millions of Americans’ privacy rights.
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Well now you're just bringing up issues in the Democratic Party that I wasn't even aware of. I do agree that those need to be fixed as well.
I should state, however, that if you're sitting on the other side thinking that all people who vote Republican all believe the exact same thing, you're gravely mistaken. I think the issue here might simply be that Republican Politicians are either better at getting their message out to people that will vote, are better and manipulating people for votes, are better at working together for their own goals when they secure the votes, or any combination of those three.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Very logical.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well now you're just bringing up issues in the Democratic Party that I wasn't even aware of. I do agree that those need to be fixed as well.
I should state, however, that if you're sitting on the other side thinking that all people who vote Republican all believe the exact same thing, you're gravely mistaken. I think the issue here might simply be that Republican Politicians are either better at getting their message out to people that will vote, are better and manipulating people for votes, are better at working together for their own goals when they secure the votes, or any combination of those three.
There is a great deal of plotting, planning, and thinking going on inside the head of a politician. GOP politicians concentrate their brains on a few goals; Democratic politicians get mentally distracted by too many mildly conflicting goals and intraparty feuding. The different styles of thinking show up in the different success rates at election time. If the GOP ever gets as scattered brained as the Democratic Party, the GOP will fall to the Democrats' success rate.
The real worry the GOP has is doing an incompetent job and the voters noticing. Losing the Iraq War was one of those moments of peak incompetence. Crashing the economy in 2008 was another. But the GOP talked its way out of blame and was reelected after a two year cooling off period with the voters.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Very logical.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well now you're just bringing up issues in the Democratic Party that I wasn't even aware of. I do agree that those need to be fixed as well.
I should state, however, that if you're sitting on the other side thinking that all people who vote Republican all believe the exact same thing, you're gravely mistaken. I think the issue here might simply be that Republican Politicians are either better at getting their message out to people that will vote, are better and manipulating people for votes, are better at working together for their own goals when they secure the votes, or any combination of those three.
There is a great deal of plotting, planning, and thinking going on inside the head of a politician. GOP politicians concentrate their brains on a few goals; Democratic politicians get mentally distracted by too many mildly conflicting goals and intraparty feuding. The different styles of thinking show up in the different success rates at election time. If the GOP ever gets as scattered brained as the Democratic Party, the GOP will fall to the Democrats' success rate.
The real worry the GOP has is doing an incompetent job and the voters noticing. Losing the Iraq War was one of those moments of peak incompetence. Crashing the economy in 2008 was another. But the GOP talked its way out of blame and was reelected after a two year cooling off period with the voters.
I agreed with you up until after the first sentence of the last paragraph.
The GOP's moment of peak incompetence wasn't losing the Iraq War. It was starting the Iraq War, or to be more specific, Congress not doing their fucking job their being paid for and allowing GWB to start the Iraq War.
Maybe in the mind of the sycophantic GOP voters, they were able to talk their way out of their incompetence that allowed the tanked economy in 2008, but I sure as hell didn't forget and I wouldn't throw such blanket statements around. In this case, Obama's "solutions" to the problem were to rob from our children and grandchildren to set the ship right today. Anybody intelligent enough to see that was voting against him. Even if it meant putting the idiot GOP back in control.
THIS is the biggest flaw in a two party system. At least for the proletariat.
If your fortunate enough to be PART of the two party system then everything is working as designed.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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