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Because we both benefit enormously, Trump and myself are 100% supportive of the GOP's tax bill, but GOP lawmakers know the midterm election landscape looks bad because of that bill and few other moves they tried to make.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/15/16781952/republican-tax-bil
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At this point, nobody seems to deny that Republicans are facing a big political problem in 2018.
McKay Coppins has an Atlantic piece titled "The Republican Nightmare is Just Beginning." www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/alabama-and-2018/548327/
Jonathan Martin and Alexander Burns have a New York Times piece titled "Alabama Loss Exposes Republican Fissures Amid a Democratic Surge." www.nytimes.com/2017/12/13/us/alabama-senate-republican-divisions-demo
crats.html
And in Politico, Tim Alberta and Rachael Bade say Paul Ryan is looking to step down. www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/14/paul-ryan-retire-speaker-re
ady-leave-washington-216103
If you know these journalists' track records, you'll know these aren't armchair analysts. What Coppins and Martin and Alberta and Burns and Bade are telling us is that Republicans on the Hill are aware that the midterm landscape looks bad for the GOP.
Yet amazingly, the very same Republicans who are worried that they have become unpopular and are set to lose the election due to their unpopularity are currently putting all their energy behind passing an unpopular tax bill.
And this unpopularity, it should be noted, is no kind of surprise. Back in September, Pew found that by a 52-24 margin, voters favored higher corporate taxes, not lower. And by a 43-24 margin, voters favored higher taxes on the rich, not lower.
I congratulate them on their willingness to follow their convictions rather than the polls.
But it would have been totally possible to write a bill that featured revenue-neutral corporate tax reform, an estate tax cut, and a meaningful tax cut for the middle class. Such a bill would have moved the ball forward on some key conservative objectives, while also hewing to the broad contours of public opinion. Some red-state Democrats might even have voted for it.
Instead, they served up a giant corporate tax cut, plus an estate tax cut, plus some other tax cuts for rich people, and a middle-class tax cut that is both small and merely temporary.
There is more about stuff the GOP is doing that it shouldn't if it wants to win in 2018 at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/15/16781952/republican-tax-bil
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I'm actually looking forward to the Democrats winning some seats.
Not only have I always said the best times for Americans are when the Government is mixed like that and is so busy fighting each other that nothing gets done, but as a bonus maybe I can stop hearing people like you bitch about things constantly every single day.
Aren't you sitting on like a billion dollars or something, Second?
If you're not going to start doing some philanthropy for all of us lowly 99%ers that you virtue signal to everyday, you should at least take a nice vacation and relax a little bit.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I was on TV yesterday as The Secret Santa giving away hundred dollar bills. There is no rest for Santa because I have two bags of cash for today, but that's not really the way to run a country. For Christmas ask the GOP for a minimum wage increase to $20/hour. That will be great for the GOP's election chances in 2018.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Aren't you sitting on like a billion dollars or something, Second?
If you're not going to start doing some philanthropy for all of us lowly 99%ers that you virtue signal to everyday, you should at least take a nice vacation and relax a little bit.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Lettuce sea if we can filter reality thru the lense of Libtardism and then convince the reality-bound to succumb to our Delusions and fabrications, shall oui?
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Originally posted by second:
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/15/16781952/republican-tax-bil
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Ultra-Libtard outlet vox? Impressive entry to Fantasyland.
Quote:Uber-Libtard Atlantic? More impressive supply of BS.
McKay Coppins has an Atlantic piece titled "The Republican Nightmare is Just Beginning." www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/alabama-and-2018/548327/
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www.nytimes.com/2017/12/13/us/alabama-senate-republican-divisions-demo
crats.html
NYT, really? Now you're not even trying to hide your bias and delusions.
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www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/14/paul-ryan-retire-speaker-re
ady-leave-washington-216103
Politico? As if NYT wasn't a corrupted enough view.
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Back in September, Pew found ...
Pew? Does balance or non-bias exist in your world?
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Win in 2018 at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/15/16781952/republican-tax-bil
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And more vox? Your supply of Libtard BS sources is depleted?
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Support for Trump is closely linked to racial resentment, defined as “a moral feeling that blacks violate such traditional American values as individualism and self-reliance.”
Trump made all sorts of racist comments — Mexican immigrants are criminals and rapists, ban all Muslim entering the US, a judge should recuse himself from a case because he's Mexican, and deploying dog whistles about “law and order.”
This is not just incidental to Trump. It's at the core of his political success.
Voters’ measures of sexism and racism correlated much more closely with support for Trump than economic dissatisfaction. See page 16 of http://people.umass.edu/schaffne/schaffner_et_al_IDC_conference.pdf for the graph. Looking at the graphs, there were racists that didn't vote for Trump, but the more racist a voter was, the more likely they voted for Trump.
If people who strongly identified as white were told that nonwhite groups will outnumber white people in 2042, they became more likely to support Trump.
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1368430216677304
When Trump supporters found out that blacks, not just whites, were allowed into housing assistance programs, they expressed higher levels of anger that some people receive government assistance and were more likely to say that individuals who receive assistance are to blame for their situation.
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2053168017737411
The more racist a person is, the more likely they voted for Trump.
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Instead of casting aspersions on close to 50% of the population, maybe you should look to the 'democratic' party to clean house. Hillary ALSO had historic net negative ratings going into the election. The 'democratic' party ran a weak candidate. She was not Saint Hillary, despite your misplaced faith. That was something I pointed out to you repeatedly during the campaign. It's not like any of this was a deep secret. But you steadfastly ignored it completely.
Now at the time I assumed that despite her net negatives and the voluminous baggage she was dragging around, Hillary was going to win anyway. But that's not what happened. The 'democratic' party's blatantly poor choice cost the election.
And what vile things are you telling yourself about the democrats who stayed home and cost Hillary the election? Are you imputing evil motivations to them as well? Or are you giving them a pass because they're democrats?
You've allowed the 'democratic' party's tactical error to poison your thinking about large numbers of people.
Instead of braising in your own obsessive bile, you could acknowledge what went wrong, learn from it, and move on.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/registered-voters-who-stayed-home
-probably-cost-clinton-the-election/
Registered Voters Who Stayed Home Probably Cost Clinton The Election
Registered voters who didn’t vote on Election Day in November were more Democratic-leaning than the registered voters who turned out, according to a post-election poll from SurveyMonkey, shared with FiveThirtyEight. In fact, Donald Trump probably would have lost to Hillary Clinton had Republican- and Democratic-leaning registered voters cast ballots at equal rates.
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Quote:And 50% of the population is less than average, so what is your point, 1kiki?
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Instead of casting aspersions on close to 50% of the population, maybe you should look to the 'democratic' party to clean house. Hillary ALSO had historic net negative ratings going into the election. The 'democratic' party ran a weak candidate. She was not Saint Hillary, despite your misplaced faith. That was something I pointed out to you repeatedly during the campaign. It's not like any of this was a deep secret. But you steadfastly ignored it completely.
Republicans swear it never happened: “We have lost the South for a generation,” President Lyndon B. Johnson, from Texas, told an aide after he signed the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Funny how a prediction that was supposedly never spoken still happened in Texas despite GOP denials.
Quote:I discovered that Texans were racist from direct experience of Texans being racist. 1kiki, you do realize that racists can peacefully work with other races but still hate their guts and let out that hate in the privacy of the voting booth?
Originally posted by 1kiki:
You've allowed the 'democratic' party's tactical error to poison your thinking about large numbers of people.
For decades the Republicans have completely controlled Texas and it has no connection to 21st Century national politics or the Clintons. The takeover is because white Texans are the majority and overwhelmingly racist. All you have to do to know this about Texas, if you are me, is listen to Republicans talk in private. All their talk is "Obama is a nigger from Kenya" and "Hillary is a bitch".
1kiki, just keep telling yourself that the GOP took over Texas because Democrats are awful. The truth is the GOP took Texas because white Texans are who they are. There is really no way for the Democratic Party to fix that, other than to stomp blacks into the ground (think Texas immediately after the end of Reconstruction).
Maybe Democrats could improve their position in Houston by expanding flood control. Republicans have refused for decades to pay to prevent flooding like during Hurricane Harvey. But then Democrats have to make the argument that 4.5 million people spending $61 billion for flood control is a good investment to prevent $180 billion in future damage. That argument won't work if the Texans only believe the $61 billion cost and won't believe that there will ever be another Harvey. Many people in Houston were not damaged and they believe their fair share of the cost to prevent future damage ought to be zero, which is a classic Republican position.
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Originally posted by second:
The truth is the GOP took Texas because white Texans are who they are. There is really no way for the Democratic Party to fix that, other than to stomp blacks into the ground (think Texas immediately after the end of Reconstruction).
The Democratic party doesn't need to fix the people. They need to fix themselves. Even T gets that.
If white people who aren't pretty well off thought for a second the Democratic party was at all speaking for them, they might get more of the white vote.
They don't, so they won't.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Here are the graphs you think are so damning.
A bit more than 1/3 of people who are the least sexist voted for Trump. A bit more than 1/3 of people who are the least racist voted for Trump. That's a big chunk of people who voted for Trump who are the opposite of racist or sexist. And one third of people who are the MOST racist or sexist didn't vote for Trump.
Meanwhile, the numbers about how Clinton lost are clear. Democrats who had previously voted for Obama, who are clearly not racist, stayed home. If they'd liked their candidate Hillary better, they might have voted. But they didn't. Hillary drove away voters who would otherwise have voted 'd'. That's how states that - let me point this out again, are CLEARLY unbiased enough to have voted for Obama - flipped and voted for Trump.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/sunday/the-democrats-real-t
urnout-problem
In counties where Trump won at least 70 percent of the vote, the number of votes cast rose 2.9 percent versus 2012. Trump’s pugnacious message evidently stirred people who hadn’t voted in the past. By comparison, in counties where Clinton won at least 70 percent, the vote count was 1.7 percent lower this year.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/voter-turnout-2016-elections
the President-elect’s leap from long-shot candidate to the most powerful political position in the world may have happened in part because of apathy toward Hillary Clinton’s candidacy, especially among the Democratic base
That's the reality. Democrats stayed home.
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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1kiki, I'm not buying the premise that the white majority are rational; I've seen too many white Republican Texans make ruinous private decisions unrelated to politics. If a majority of Americans were rational (they are not) and they also disliked their government then at every state and local election (specifically excluding Presidential) rational Americans would do what this guy says he will do: “The only thing the government does is screw the working people,” says Scott, a Trump voter from Georgia contacted by email, who asked that his last name not be published. He says he’ll do everything he can to vote Republicans out of power in 2018. “What is the next step, short of armed insurrection?”
www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2017/1215/Trump-s-tax-plan-Why-many-mid
dle-class-Republicans-support-it
Americans say they dislike politics, but the one-third of Americans who actually vote keep voting for familiar state and local politicians, returning them to office again and again. That is not a sensible long-term decision for people who say they dislike the government in general.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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