Draining The Swamp

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Originally posted by second:

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Capital Gains Tax. If the wealthy choose to digest of Capital Investments, Zero Capital Gains will result. Again, a higher percentage of Zero is less than a meager percentage of something. Heard of the Great Depression?

Corporate Tax, or Tax on Profit. If their wealth is divested from productive Companies, Zero Profit will result. Again, Zero Tax revenue from Zero Profit.

. . . So far, your Any Tax concept falls flat.
Which Tax were you going to increase to confiscate dollars from the wealthy?

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Your thinking is too much all or nothing.

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Still waiting to hear of your Tax.
Hailing Government as the Almighty Miracle Investment Vehicle is not a Tax.
"Investment" of tax dollars from the 99% is not a Tax on the 1%.

Are you admitting that you lied about a Tax that would confiscate more funds from the Wealthy, other than a reduced Tax RATE, or Consumption Tax?

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Everyone today who deflects the story away from Trump ...

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Was Trump indicted? No?

If Mueller is doing is his job looking in an unbiased manner, he'll bird dog this down and capture swamp creatures of BOTH parties. Dirty Debbie and Imran. Hillary, Bill, and the Clinton Foundation. Both Podestas. Lobbyists of all stripes and sizes. Flynn (except Flynn may have been doing the deep state's bidding when it comes to Gulen and Turkey; we may never hear that story again.) Banks and bankers laundering money.

It's a swamp of longstanding. It's been in existence since the creation of the CIA. Many creatures have learned to make their home there.

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Again, NOT A DEFENSE OF TRUMP. There are many things about which I disagree. Just a dispute with the hyperventilation and hysteria over a totally phony issue, which is simply diverting you from the real economic (jobs, manufacturing, debt) and security (terrorism, hegemony) issues at hand.

Sigh.


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Again, NOT A DEFENSE OF TRUMP. There are many things about which I disagree. Just a dispute with the hyperventilation and hysteria over a totally phony issue, which is simply diverting you from the real economic (jobs, manufacturing, debt) and security (terrorism, hegemony) issues at hand.

Sigh.

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You have convinced yourself that Trump had a real interest in real economic and real security issues, but phony issues are getting in Trump's way. Trump is a total fake. He never gives any attention to those real issues, which were Bannon's talking points to get Trump elected. He spends all his time thinking about himself and his personal fortune.

Since election day, congressional Republicans have been helping Donald Trump cover up something shady in his personal finances from years before the election and doing so without having any real idea what it is that’s being covered up.

What Trump worries about, according to many different accounts of his thinking, is what he always worries about — money and the prospect that the impunity for misconduct that he, like many other rich businessmen, has enjoyed throughout his career may not withstand the scrutiny that a President's history from before election always gets.

A Monday evening Associated Press account of Trump’s reaction to the day’s news said he “has become increasingly concerned that the Mueller probe could be moving beyond Russia to an investigation into his personal dealings,” citing “two people familiar with the president’s thinking.” A Washington Post article with three bylines says that “Trump is also increasingly agitated by the expansion of Mueller’s probe into financial issues beyond the 2016 campaign.” These remarks hark back to a July 19 interview with the New York Times in which Trump called any probing of his business affairs a “red line” that special counsel Robert Mueller shouldn’t cross.

A halfway decent president would voluntarily make meaningful financial disclosures. And a Congress with even a basic sense of self-preservation would force a president who refuses to make them to do so.

Unfortunately, at the moment, America has neither. We have Trump. And we have a cover-up in which Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, and basically every single House and Senate Republican is complicit, even though they have no way to know what they are covering up.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/31/16579204/trump-finances-mue
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Again, NOT A DEFENSE OF TRUMP. There are many things about which I disagree. Just a dispute with the hyperventilation and hysteria over a totally phony issue, which is simply diverting you from the real economic (jobs, manufacturing, debt) and security (terrorism, hegemony) issues at hand.

Sigh. - SIGNY

You have convinced yourself that Trump had a real interest in real economic and real security issues, - SECOND

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EVERY TIME YOU TELL ME WHAT I THINK, YOU GET IT HEAD-BANGINGLY WRONG. And it doesn't seem to matter HOW MANY times I tell you ... over and over, you STILL get it wrong!

Can you stop hyperfocusing on Trump, for a moment?

FORGET Trump's interests. YOU have interests, REAL ones, and I absolutely-fucking-guarantee you it's not "Russia!!!"

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but phony issues are getting in Trump's way.- SECONDRATE

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Phony issue are getting in YOUR way, hon.

Tell me, what interest do you have in constant wars in the Middle East (and elsewhere)?
What interest do you have in Ukraine?
What interest do you have in "The State of Freedom in Russia"? How is that any more meaningful than the state of freedom in Uganda? Or Honduras?

Are you saying that you DON'T have any interests closer to home, or more important? Or are you so laser-focused on the size of Trump's hands or his personal finances that you just. can't. seem. to. turn. your. attention. to. more. important. matters?



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Signym, if you believed anything (anything at all) Trump said before or after election, you are stupid. I could modify that to gullible, but think stupid says it best.

Maybe you were attracted by Steve Bannon's thoughts coming from Trump's mouth? But Bannon doesn't coach Trump all day, every day, since he was fired. Now all we hear is Trump's thinking and it is indeed very chaotic, is it not?

If you think anyone on fireflyfans.net but you and 1kiki care much about US policy toward Ukraine, you are stupid. (There is the "s" word again) You find it impossible to ignite a conversation on a myriad of subjects because nobody cares much. It always ends with you being attacked by everyone except 1kiki because you are stupid about other people.

I will make believe that you're not stupid. Let's both pretend, shall we? We will dive in and out of the swamp quickly. Maybe a swamp leech will bite your ass and draw blood. And it is actually about why American military policy is an ineffectual mess:

America’s unthinking reverence for its fighters is forestalling a badly needed reappraisal of how it organises its forces, and to what end. The fact is, America’s foreign-policy doctrines envisage a degree of global dominance, based on military might, which its volunteer force is now too small to enforce. And to increase the force sufficiently, on current trends, appears unaffordable or impossible. “This force cannot carry out that foreign policy,” concludes Andrew Bacevich, a historian and former army officer, who happens also to be a Gold Star father.

This constitutes a looming crisis, which could logically end in one of two ways. Either America will have to reintroduce conscription. Or it must curtail its military ambitions. Neither outcome is palatable to American policymakers, however, so the problem is seldom discussed. Maintaining the happy delusion that America’s forces are ideal and irreproachable makes that easier. But reality cannot be deferred indefinitely.

www.economist.com/news/united-states/21730738-it-also-leads-lot-fuzzy-
thinking-about-armed-forces-americas-love-affair

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by second:
Signym, if you believed anything (anything at all) Trump said before or after election, you are stupid. I could modify that to gullible, but think stupid says it best. - SECOND

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Is it possible for you to post ANYthing without mentioning Trump? Try, just try on your next post to see if you can.

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Maybe you were attracted by Steve Bannon's thoughts coming from Trump's mouth? But Bannon doesn't coach Trump all day, every day, since he was fired. Now all we hear is Trump's thinking and it is indeed very chaotic, is it not?

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Trump is not your problem. I don't know WHAT your problem is, but it's very very deep-seated.

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If you think anyone on fireflyfans.net but you and 1kiki care much about US policy toward Ukraine, you are stupid.

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Oh, for a while that's all GSTTRING, KRAPO, and THUGR could talk about. So I guess THEY must be really stupid!

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You find it impossible to ignite a conversation on a myriad of subjects because nobody cares much.

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Except about Ukraine. And Russia. Next month who knows what it'll be about! Nobody seems to remember from month to month what they were all tweaked about!

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It always ends with you being attacked by everyone except 1kiki because most people here are bullies or trolls.

I will make believe that you're not stupid. That's MY stab at being a troll! How'd I do?

... America’s unthinking reverence for its fighters is forestalling a badly needed reappraisal of how it organizes its forces, and to what end. The fact is, America’s foreign-policy doctrines envisage a degree of global dominance, based on military might, which its volunteer force is now too small to enforce. And to increase the force sufficiently, on current trends, appears unaffordable or impossible. “This force cannot carry out that foreign policy,” concludes Andrew Bacevich, a historian and former army officer, who happens also to be a Gold Star father.

This constitutes a looming crisis, which could logically end in one of two ways. Either America will have to reintroduce conscription. Or it must curtail its military ambitions. Neither outcome is palatable to American policymakers, however, so the problem is seldom discussed. Maintaining the happy delusion that America’s forces are ideal and irreproachable makes that easier. But reality cannot be deferred indefinitely.

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So, if you see that as a fundamental American problem, did Trump create it?

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So, let me get this straight.....you mean to say that Russia doesn't have a care in the world and is totally fine with our way of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Oh goody gum drops! Golly gee Batman, they are good guys after all.

I'm sorry I ever doubted Comrade Putin.


SGG

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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Let me cut to the quick...
Trump is out to destroy the country, with Russia's help. - DULL

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Let ME cut to the quick: Anyone who believes that is as gullible as those who believed that Saddam had WMD, that Noriega was a major drug runner, that Qaddafi was massacring his own people, and that the NSA respects the Constitution.

There are a lot of issues about which I vehemently disagree with Trump, and many campaign promises that I know he can't keep or hope he won't keep, and I have to say that he is probably the least Presidential man to be elected in recent history (although there've been a few drunkards and rowdies in the past).

But of all of the bad things you might believe about Trump, this is the one that I don't worry about. At all. The only thing I worry about is that a bunch of idiots will believe the propaganda and take their eye off the REAL ball, which is our common economic and social interests.


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Not according to "our experts" Thgrri.

We are the gullible ones for even thinking that this administration is guilty of any wrongdoing. Not enough time to develop....no, "establish" those nasty habits
that long has been a staple of "both" parties. Trump and his merry band of angels
have bent over backwards to move this country forward (Sarah said so, several times).

I don't know about you, but I've always had trouble detecting "fact from fiction"
I AM TRULY GULLIBLE.

Boy, does that feel good to admit. Finally I see the light. Now I can concentrate on the "truth" - it's out there!

And Fox News, now there's a very together media outlet. They have their collective finger on the pulse of the nation. How could I have been so blind?

(Hey Thgrri, did that come off as too sarcastic? I could never tell)


SGG

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Everyone today who deflects the story away from Trump will be left with having to deal with why they did so in the face of what Mueller's investigation uncovers.

It will all come full circle. Fox news will be forced to capitulate. Isn't this exciting?

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