Draining The Swamp
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Quote:I do not admit to lying and are 1kiki and Signym a team now, sitting in adjacent desks? You're either a pair of Russian trolls or a pair of American nuts. 1kiki, you've given up the pretense that you were ever a Bernie supporter, haven't you? Or are you a replacement for the "1kiki" of last year, the one who was so supportive of Democrat Bernie? As Russian trolls, I can admire that you serve your country, earn a living, and write well. If you live in America, well, I still admire that you write well; 1kiki and Signym could give Trump lessons about staying on message and remaining focused:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, you admit you lied about articles you linked.
Again.
No surprise there.
Trump keeps getting distracted by his desire to tell a name-dropping story about the owner of the New England Patriots. He forgets what is false and misleading about his tax cuts. Indeed, the swamp is in Trump's brain:
BARTIROMO: If the top earners pay 80 percent of the taxes, why are you so afraid to cut taxes on the top earners?
TRUMP: I think this, look, you know, I am very happy with the way I’ve done part of this in my civilian life, all right.
BARTIROMO: Of course. This is not about —
TRUMP: Other people — well, it’s about me representing rich people.
BARTIROMO: Okay.
TRUMP: Representing — being representative of rich people. Very interesting to me Bob Kraft was down. He was very nice. He owns the Patriots. He gave me a Super Bowl ring a month ago. And he —
BARTIROMO: Well, Putin took his —
TRUMP: Which was very nice. That’s right. But he left this beautiful ring, and I immediately give it to the White House and they put it some place, and that’s the way it is.
BARTIROMO: That’s great.
TRUMP: He said to me — he’s a good man. He said to me you have to do us all a favor, give the tax decrease to the middle class, we don’t need it. We don’t need it. We don’t want it. Give it to the middle class. And, I’ve had many people, very wealthy people, tell me the very same thing. I’ve had very few say I want more, I want more.
Then Trump meanders off message and admits that what he’s really backing is a huge tax cut for rich business owners:
TRUMP: So that’s a big factor, but we have so many things that are going to be so great; bringing the corporate tax down maybe is the most important. And we have a lot of most important, but bringing it down from 35 down to 20 percent, that’s a massive — that’s the biggest that we’ve ever done.
BARTIROMO: It’s a big deal in the corporate rate for sure.
TRUMP: That’s a big deal for companies; that’s a big deal for investment. I think one of the other ones is expensing, you know when you write something off in one year as opposed to, you know, over many years, I think that’s going to be tremendous.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/23/16522456/trump-bartiromo-tr
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Quote:more trolling
Originally posted by second:
... and are 1kiki and Signym a team now, sitting in adjacent desks?
Quote:more trolling
You're either a pair of Russian trolls
Quote:more trolling
or a pair of American nuts.
Quote:more trolling
1kiki, you've given up the pretense that you were ever a Bernie supporter, haven't you?
I've always been a self-avowed never Hillary supporter, I voted as a never Hillary supporter, and since Hillary lost, my never Hillary side won.
And your repeated attempts to claim otherwise are just ... more trolling.
Troll.
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Meanwhile, SLOPPY-SECONDS' attempt to deflect from the utter failure of the ironically-named 'democratic' party to be a genuine majority alternative, and his inability to actually address my post are noted.
It's obvious SLOPPY-SECONDS is a troll.
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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Quote:I don't quite get how you derailed so much to avoid a simple and coherent answer to a reasonable question - or even repeated question, yet at the same time go on a rant which might be tangential at best.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Signym, you're every bit as smart and attentive to details as Trump. Analyze this for errors that only exist inside your head:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No such quote appears in my pageview. So SECONDRATE, why don't you BRING THAT QUOTE HERE so that we can ALL see it? Unless, of course, you're lying again.
www.vox.com/policy-and-pol
itics/2017/10/23/16522456/trump-bartiromo-transcript
Over the course of the interview, Trump also claims to be working on a major infrastructure bill, a major welfare reform bill, and an unspecified economic development bill of some kind.
Under almost any other past president, that kind of thing would be considered a huge news-making get for an interviewer. But even Fox didn’t tout Bartiromo’s big scoops on Trump’s legislative agenda, because 10 months into the Trump presidency, nobody is so foolish as to believe that him saying, “We’re doing a big infrastructure bill,” means that the Trump administration is, in fact, doing a big infrastructure bill. The president just mouths off at turns ignorantly and dishonestly, and nobody pays much attention to it unless he says something unusually inflammatory.
On some level, it’s a little bit funny.
Perhaps it will all work out for the best, and someday we’ll look back and chuckle about the time when we had a president who didn’t know anything about anything that was happening and could never be counted on to make coherent, factual statements on any subject. But traditionally, we haven’t elected presidents like that — for what have always seemed like pretty good reasons — and the risks of compounding disaster are still very much out there.
Are you off your meds?
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I do not admit to lying and are 1kiki and Signym a team now, sitting in adjacent desks? You're either a pair of Russian trolls or a pair of American nuts. 1kiki, you've given up the pretense that you were ever a Bernie supporter, haven't you? Or are you a replacement for the "1kiki" of last year, the one who was so supportive of Democrat Bernie? As Russian trolls, I can admire that you serve your country, earn a living, and write well. If you live in America, well, I still admire that you write well; 1kiki and Signym could give Trump lessons about staying on message and remaining focused:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, you admit you lied about articles you linked.
Again.
No surprise there.
Trump keeps getting distracted by his desire to tell a name-dropping story about the owner of the New England Patriots. He forgets what is false and misleading about his tax cuts. Indeed, the swamp is in Trump's brain:
BARTIROMO: If the top earners pay 80 percent of the taxes, why are you so afraid to cut taxes on the top earners?
TRUMP: I think this, look, you know, I am very happy with the way I’ve done part of this in my civilian life, all right.
BARTIROMO: Of course. This is not about —
TRUMP: Other people — well, it’s about me representing rich people.
BARTIROMO: Okay.
TRUMP: Representing — being representative of rich people. Very interesting to me Bob Kraft was down. He was very nice. He owns the Patriots. He gave me a Super Bowl ring a month ago. And he —
BARTIROMO: Well, Putin took his —
TRUMP: Which was very nice. That’s right. But he left this beautiful ring, and I immediately give it to the White House and they put it some place, and that’s the way it is.
BARTIROMO: That’s great.
TRUMP: He said to me — he’s a good man. He said to me you have to do us all a favor, give the tax decrease to the middle class, we don’t need it. We don’t need it. We don’t want it. Give it to the middle class. And, I’ve had many people, very wealthy people, tell me the very same thing. I’ve had very few say I want more, I want more.
Then Trump meanders off message and admits that what he’s really backing is a huge tax cut for rich business owners:
TRUMP: So that’s a big factor, but we have so many things that are going to be so great; bringing the corporate tax down maybe is the most important. And we have a lot of most important, but bringing it down from 35 down to 20 percent, that’s a massive — that’s the biggest that we’ve ever done.
BARTIROMO: It’s a big deal in the corporate rate for sure.
TRUMP: That’s a big deal for companies; that’s a big deal for investment. I think one of the other ones is expensing, you know when you write something off in one year as opposed to, you know, over many years, I think that’s going to be tremendous.
www.vox.com/policy-and-poli
tics/2017/10/23/16522456/trump-bartiromo-transcript
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I'm going to need time to unpack this......whatever you call it, response.
But I felt the need to comment, however briefly, on a few things...
And what exactly does this mean:
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Hell just froze over. Again!
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I don't view Trump as an honest, or even competent, politician.
I agree except, I think Trump is the worst of politicians. At least the parts he plays at.
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But when you bring your own swamp with you, the OLD swampers don't let go of power without a fight.
I agree. Hell now will freeze over.
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Establishment" Republicans were just as reluctant to allow Trump to the ascendancy as Democrats. Even now, the support that Trump has from the GOP is grudging, and Dems downright hate him: he's a DC outsider, an interloper.
An interloper he is, an outsider he's not. Interloper because nobody wanted him; for good reason...He's an idiot. He's made money in business, but he's a destroyer. He uses the system to "steal" his millions through chicanery and intimidation. It's a whole new ballgame when it comes to politics; of which he knows little, but he has pursued the presidency and has played the game (poorly, but he's played). He even said so himself; while addressing the US Coast Guard Academy recently - "No politician has been treated worse"
in regards to the media attention(May 17, 2017).
More to come....I gotta go!
End of Part 1
SGG
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Quote:It means that you agreed with me, and I agreed with you, again. For a second time. That doesn't happen very often!
I'm going to need time to unpack this......whatever you call it, response.
But I felt the need to comment, however briefly, on a few things...
And what exactly does this mean:Quote:
Hell just froze over. Again!
Quote:So, you prefer politicians say all the usual soothing things and who convince you that it's for you own good as they jam you with a stick? 'Cause I agree, Trump sucks at that part!
I don't view Trump as an honest, or even competent, politician.- SIGNY
I agree except, I think Trump is the worst of politicians. At least the parts he plays at. - SHINY
Quote:Again!
But when you bring your own swamp with you, the OLD swampers don't let go of power without a fight.- SIGNY
I agree. Hell now will freeze over.- SHINY
Quote:You're saying so many things in the comment, each one needs to be addressed independently.
Establishment" Republicans were just as reluctant to allow Trump to the ascendancy as Democrats. Even now, the support that Trump has from the GOP is grudging, and Dems downright hate him: he's a DC outsider, an interloper. - SIGNY
An interloper he is, an outsider he's not. Interloper because nobody wanted him; for good reason...He's an idiot. He's made money in business, but he's a destroyer. He uses the system to "steal" his millions through chicanery and intimidation. It's a whole new ballgame when it comes to politics; of which he knows little, but he has pursued the presidency and has played the game (poorly, but he's played). He even said so himself; while addressing the US Coast Guard Academy recently - "No politician has been treated worse" in regards to the media attention(May 17, 2017).- SHINY
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... nobody wanted him; for good reason...He's an idiot.
The swamp didn't want Trump because he's an idiot?
Baloney.
Trump could be a blithering idiot, like brain-burned GWB or pre-dementia Reagan, but ONLY if Trump didn't mind having someone's hand up his ass turning him into a sock-puppet ... like Cheney did to Bush II, and Bush I did to Reagan. If Trump allowed himself to be the human skin of the swamp, the swamp wouldn't mind HOW stupid he was! In fact, really stupid Presidents are more conveniently manipulated. IDIOCY is not the problem.
Quote:Unlike the Clintons, who apparently used every office they ever had to enrich themselves, leaving an unlikely trail of dead bodies behind them; finally using the State Department and the Clinton Foundation in a pay-to-play scheme whereby the Clintons stole BILLIONS from their "charity"?
He uses the system to "steal" his millions through chicanery and intimidation.
Quote:Therefore, he's an outsider' you just said so yourself. Which do you prefer, SHINY: the person who smoothly convinces you that it's for your own good, as you get butt-fucked? Or the person who doesn't know how to whisper sweet nothings in your ear?
It's a whole new ballgame when it comes to politics; of which he knows little
Quote:This is probably true, but being treated badly by the press is not a reflection of ANY person's moral character, since the press is a duplicitous lying sack of corporate interest. The fact that the Press printed so many lies about Trump .... which btw is slowly coming to light .... tells me more about the press than about Trump. One thing it tell me is that one should NEVER trust the press!
"No politician has been treated worse" in regards to the media attention
In all of your comments so far, you quite obviously have not hit on the ones that I consider to be the most concerning.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Quote:Today's Dilbert Comic covered this situation: http://dilbert.com/strip/2017-10-24
Originally posted by 1kiki:
And your repeated attempts to claim otherwise are just ... more trolling.
Troll.
That stupid online troll is insulting me again on social media! I keep defending myself, but instead of agreeing with me, he keeps calling me “defensive” and “pathetic”.
Maybe you could stop engaging with him?
I’m not a quitter!
The creator of Dilbert did endorse Trump over Hillary
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150919416661/why-i-switched-my-endorsemen
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Do you remember Trump's campaign? What American lacks, as Trump himself used to say on the campaign trail, is a reasonable distribution of economic resources, world-class infrastructure, affordable health care, and affordable child care. Investing resources in creating the things Trump said he would create, rather than in kowtowing to the transnational financial elites he said he was fighting, would improve middle-class people’s lives in a direct and tangible way.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I don't quite get how you derailed so much to avoid a simple and coherent answer to a reasonable question - or even repeated question, yet at the same time go on a rant which might be tangential at best.
Are you off your meds?
But rather than craft policies to do any of that, Trumpism is proving to be an enormous bait-and-switch whose strategy for boosting the economy is to recapitulate George W. Bush’s agenda of cutting taxes for the rich and hoping for the best.
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Do you remember Obama's campaigns? How he was going to revive the middle class, make government transparent, change the way DC was run, end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, close Gitmo, restrict warrantless wiretaps, stop the government-to-lobbyist revolving door, etc? And then, in an orgy of deflection and blame-shifting, attempt to blame Hillary's loss on "Russia"? (Does everyone at this point realize how ridiculous that concept is? If you think that Trump is intemperate in his foreign policy, just imagine how short-sighted the deep-state Democrats were when they decided that could thwart Trump's envisioned detente with Russia and taint him with the Russian bogeyman, poisoning relations with Russia for the foreseeable future, all for a short-sighted political gain.)
I bring this up, not to excuse Trump but to remind you that BOTH party candidates make promises that they don't keep. For as awful as you keep saying Trump is, Obama has done some really horrible things to the average American. He was a smooth talker, so I'm not sure the full understanding of how he (and the DNC) have betrayed the average American will ever catch up with reality, but instead of your complete one-sided bitching and griping, why don't you take a realistic look at both parties and insist on something better?
Just remember, SECOND, if there was a swamp in DC, Obama was part of it. And so was Hillary.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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