Syria and Ukraine, Catalan and Kurdistan: what do they have in common?

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:30 AM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by kpo:
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For the same reason that I haven't "voiced my support" of an independent Donbas
Yes you have. From the Russia invades Ukraine thread:
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Let's assume that there is a portion of Ukraine where a clear majority wants separation. Let's assume it was a vote that even YOU would agree was free and fair. Would you allow it? -SIGNY
Only if Ukraine permitted it. -KPO
That's the difference between us, I guess. You really DO want to build societies on guns and bombs. Personally, I have no problems with separatists. I think the results of free and fair votes should be rewarded. - SIGNY
It seems your position on separatist movements has 'evolved' quite a bit.
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The ONLY multi-state entity which peacefully dissolved was the Soviet Union.
Czechoslovakia? Serbia and Montenegro? Just off the top of my head.
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All foreign powers use secessionist movements to expand their control... The USA is EXCELLENT at that
Funny all those secession movements on Russia's border - you don't suppose Russia is responsible for those at all?
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Kosovo is too small to sustain itself economically
Who decides that a nation is viable or not? You? Not the people themselves? This is just a way for you to dodge the question.
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SECESSION IS A COMPLEX SITUATION, KPO
Uh-huh, which is what I said. And your point with this thread is what then?
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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."
Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria -
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Syrian regime collusion with ISIS -
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521
Poor Sigs - it was fun at first and then...

Holy Cow, the quote function and syntax appear to be a lost art form. Such a pile of muck, wonder who said what.

KPO

Saturday, October 28, 2017 2:41 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
It makes us right about what you are wrong about - our governments lie to us. Often. Repeatedly. Consistently.

Yes, one instance of government lying (or exaggerating) 15 years ago proves that all US/UK governments lie, repeatedly, constantly and propagandise us.

#kikilogic

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Syrian regime collusion with ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

KPO

Saturday, April 7, 2018 6:59 PM

Bump for Signy who, several months later, has started accusing me again of 'dodging' the question of what's the difference between Kosovo and Crimea:

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Originally posted by kpo:
Sure. In Kosovo we have:

1. Systematic war crimes - massacres, ethnic cleansing, etc
2. Carried out by government forces
3. Confirmed by UN reports, ICC rulings, etc.

In Crimea we have:

1. No war crimes committed by the Ukrainian government, ever. But some hype, manufactured scare stories and propaganda
2. Spread by Russia
3. Believed by idiots.

So, in the absence of any kind of evidence of war crimes in Crimea, one wonders what kind of nonsense arguments you've got lined up next. Some trumped up, Russian propaganda-hyped "war crimes" in other parts of Ukraine? (as if the separatists are not guilty of this, lol). Isolated incidents like the Odessa fire, which was not carried out by the Ukrainian government and certainly wasn't part of anything "systematic"?

And Sig, are you finally ready to state your support for Kosovan independence (just as you support Crimean secession from Ukraine)?

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Syrian regime collusion with ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 8, 2018 8:02 PM

I guess I missed this one.

Burp it back up in three weeks or so, ok?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

KPO

Monday, April 16, 2018 10:02 PM

Pfft. You couldn't answer it at the time and you can't answer it now. You won't be able to answer it in 3 weeks, either.

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EDIT:

Adding it here as the link doesn't seem to be working below:

Who were the snipers who gunned down unarmed protesters in Kiev in 2014?

New analysis points to Yanukovich's security forces, and further undermines the Russian 'false flag' theories:

https://nyti.ms/2LHvx6S

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Syrian regime collusion with ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

KPO

Friday, June 1, 2018 2:51 AM

Who were the snipers who gunned down unarmed protesters in Kiev in 2014?

New analysis points to Yanukovich's security forces, and further undermines the Russian 'false flag' theories:

</iframe&gt" target="_BLANK">https://www.nytimes.com/video/players/offsite/index.html?videoId=10000<br/>0005838140"></iframe&gt</a>;<br/><br/>-------------------------------------------------------<br/><font color=green><br/>"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."<br/></font color> <font color=cyan><br/>Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - <a href="http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278" target="_BLANK">http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278</a><br/>Syrian regime collusion with ISIS - <a href="http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521" target="_BLANK">http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521</a><br/></font color><br/></font></font></p> <p style="font-size:11px; text-align:right; margin:0; border-top:1px solid var(--fff-border); padding-top:4px;"> NOTIFY: Y  | <a href="/Message/Create?threadId=60199">REPLY</a>  | <a href="/Message/Create?threadId=60199&quoteMessageId=1053812">REPLY WITH QUOTE</a>  | <a href="/Message/Details/1053812">PERMALINK</a>  | <a href="#top">TOP</a>  | <a href="/">HOME</a> </p> </div> <div id="msg-1053813" class="section-body" style="border-top:1px solid var(--fff-border);"> <div style="display:flex; flex-wrap:wrap; justify-content:space-between; align-items:flex-start; gap:8px; margin:4px 0 10px 0;"> <div style="display:flex; gap:8px; align-items:center; min-width:0;"> <img src="/files/profiles/avatars/presets/preset1.jpg" width="32" height="32" alt="" style="border:1px solid var(--fff-border); flex-shrink:0;" onerror="this.style.visibility='hidden'" /> <strong><a href="/profile/byusername?username=kpo">KPO</a></strong> </div> <span style="font-size:11px; color:var(--fff-text-dim); white-space:nowrap;">Friday, June 1, 2018 2:53 AM</span> </div> <p style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Who were the snipers who gunned down unarmed protesters in Kiev in 2014?<br/><br/>New analysis points to Yanukovich's security forces, and further undermines the Russian 'false flag' theories:<br/><br/> <a href="https://nyti.ms/2LHvx6S" target="_BLANK">https://nyti.ms/2LHvx6S</a><br/><br/>-------------------------------------------------------<br/><font color=green><br/>"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."<br/></font color> <font color=cyan><br/>Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - <a href="http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278" target="_BLANK">http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278</a><br/>Syrian regime collusion with ISIS - <a href="http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521" target="_BLANK">http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521</a><br/></font color><br/></font></font></p> <p style="font-size:11px; text-align:right; margin:0; border-top:1px solid var(--fff-border); padding-top:4px;"> NOTIFY: Y  | <a href="/Message/Create?threadId=60199">REPLY</a>  | <a href="/Message/Create?threadId=60199&quoteMessageId=1053813">REPLY WITH QUOTE</a>  | <a href="/Message/Details/1053813">PERMALINK</a>  | <a href="#top">TOP</a>  | <a href="/">HOME</a> </p> </div> <div id="msg-1053896" class="section-body" style="border-top:1px solid var(--fff-border);"> <div style="display:flex; flex-wrap:wrap; justify-content:space-between; align-items:flex-start; gap:8px; margin:4px 0 10px 0;"> <div style="display:flex; gap:8px; align-items:center; min-width:0;"> <img src="/files/profiles/avatars/presets/preset1.jpg" width="32" height="32" alt="" style="border:1px solid var(--fff-border); flex-shrink:0;" onerror="this.style.visibility='hidden'" /> <strong><a href="/profile/byusername?username=kpo">KPO</a></strong> </div> <span style="font-size:11px; color:var(--fff-text-dim); white-space:nowrap;">Saturday, June 2, 2018 8:10 PM</span> </div> <p style="white-space:pre-wrap;">test<br/><br/>-------------------------------------------------------<br/><font color=green><br/>"Objective truths are established by evidence. 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