Syria and Ukraine, Catalan and Kurdistan: what do they have in common?
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There's a big difference between 'accepting' and 'securing'.
Both apply fine in this case. Not sure why you're quibbling over words, except to distract from the fact that you posted a link without reading or understanding it which didn't back up your case at all.
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Not that I expect a propagandist and chronic liar like you at admit that.
Calling me a liar back. That's creative.
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This is a direct quote from you to Signy, posted Monday, October 2, 2017 2:33 PM. Did I 'doctor people's words'?
Yes. You changed the word "Crimea" to "Ukraine". And now you've changed it back. It's right there for everyone to see - why lie about it? I can only think it's the same reason you post links that don't say what you claim - you're hoping people don't check. Lie confidently enough and you might just get away with it.
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And the question remains, krappo. Why are YOU so accepting of YOUR government repeatedly lying to its citizens? Here's one example: Tony Blair 'misrepresented intelligence on weapons of mass destruction to gain approval for Iraq War' - UN inspector http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tony-blair-misrepresent
ed-intelligence-on-weapons-of-mass-destruction-to-gain-approval-for-iraq-war-a6713401.html
And why do YOU so incessantly repeat those lies here?
Quote:They accepted the jurisdiction of the ICC. That word is in the title and text of the linked article. https://www.icc-cpi.int/legalAidConsultations?name=pr997 Ukraine accepts ICC jurisdiction over alleged crimes committed between 21 November 2013 and 22 February 2014 "Today, 17 April 2014, the Registrar of the International Criminal Court (ICC), Herman von Hebel, received a declaration (statement) lodged (submitted, a lesser legal status than filing) by Ukraine accepting the ICC's jurisdiction ..."
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when in actuality it was Kiev who secured the jurisdiction of the ICC
There's a big difference between 'accepting' and 'securing'.
Not that I expect a propagandist and chronic liar like you at admit that.
Aaaaaaand, just for reference, here's your assertion.
Quote:This is a direct quote from you to Signy, posted Monday, October 2, 2017 2:33 PM. Did I 'doctor people's words'? Not unless you consider word-for-word quoting 'doctoring'.
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In Crimea we have:
1. No war crimes committed by the Ukrainian government, ever. But some hype, manufactured scare stories and propaganda
Aaaaaaand, once again, you lied.
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"It's A Coup": Catalan President Slams "Worst Attack" By Spain "Since Franco Dictatorship" the Spanish states' imposition of Article 155 means "liquidation of our self-government and cancellation of the democratic will of Catalans". In other words, he made it quite clear that the region's leaders would not accept direct rule imposed on the region by the Spanish government, as a political crisis that has rattled the economy and raised fears of prolonged unrest showed no signs of easing.
Puigdemont said Rajoy had set out to "humiliate" Catalonia in an "attack on democracy" and said removing powers from Catalonia was the "worst attack against the institutions and the people of Catalonia since the military dictatorship of Francisco Franco".
After taking party in peaceful demonstration, Puigdemont expressed his rejection of Madrid’s move, but stopped short of saying he would make good his threat to push ahead with the independence bid before direct rule takes effect.
“I ask the (Catalan) parliament to meet in a plenary session during which we, the representatives of the citizens’ sovereignty, will be able to decide over this attempt to liquidate our government and our democracy, and act in consequence,” Puigdemont said in a televised address.
Puigdemont also said Spain "closed the doors ot a request for talks, and should set a date to discuss the attack" and "Catalan institutions cannot accept attack by Spain."
In a striking accusation, the Catalan president said that "Catalan institutions dealt a coup by Spanish state." Puigdemont then switched to English to appeal to Europeans, says democracy also at risk in Europe: "Catalonia is an ancient European nation". He also announced a session in Catalan parliament to debate "the attempt to liquidate our self-government".
Puigdemont concluded by saying "Long live Catalonia" to which a silently listening crowd suddenly burst back into cheers and chanting.
However, as noted, Puigdemont did not specifically declare independence, but said Catalonia will not accept Madrid's plan to curb region's powers, leaving one tiny, final loophole.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-21/450000-take-barcelonas-street
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And the question remains, krappo. Why are YOU so accepting of YOUR government repeatedly lying to its citizens? Here's one example: Tony Blair 'misrepresented intelligence on weapons of mass destruction to gain approval for Iraq War'
God, you're deflecting to the Iraq war now
And you still think Tony Blair is in government
Go ahead and copy and paste your post again for the third or fourth time. It's clear you don't have any other contribution beyond that.
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So, you don't care that your government lied to you - and the rest of the citizens - to phony-up an excuse to BE AN AGGRESSOR NATION and start a war with a country that didn't have the capacity to defend itself. Though, despite your insouciance, BEING AN AGGRESSOR NATION is a big deal. And being accused of widespread, prolonged war crimes in that country - torture and murder of captives - by the UN is a ALSO big deal.
Presumably you also don't care that your government lied to you about Kosovo, Ukraine, Libya, Egypt, the EU, and Rotherham and Telford, and is lying to you now about Syria and Iran.
That's good to know.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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Yeah, pretty much any argument with you on any topic will lead here:
Kiki: "IRAQ! IRAQ! IRAQ! IRAQ! IRAQ! IRAQ! IRAQ! IRAQ! IRAQ! IRAQ! IRAQ! IRAQ!!!!!!!!"
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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."
Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Syrian regime collusion with ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521
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Yeah, pretty much any argument with you on any topic will lead here:
KRAPO: "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! !!!!!!!!"
Which is why you always say...
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Political truths by incessant repetition."
Gawd, you're such a tool.
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Ha, that Iraq criticism goes for you as well Sig. Hilariously, you guys think the Iraq War is your "Hail-Mary-trump-card" which you can play at any point in an argument and makes you automatically RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING.
I wonder if you guys will still be playing it another 15 years from now
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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."
Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
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It makes us right about what you are wrong about - our governments lie to us. Often. Repeatedly. Consistently. With intent.
They propagandize us.
HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?
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So, at some point, Catalan and Stan were morphed into the thread title?
I would expect to see Catalan in an EU Breakup thread.
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