What about North Korea?
POSTED BY: 1kiki
UPDATED: Sunday, January 14, 2024 16:12
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It's kind of a deal.
Does no one have an opinion?
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The very definition of the "no-win scenario."
Damned if you do, damned if you don't...with Trump at the wheel it's just assumed we're going to hell anyway....so that makes that easier...
Unreasonable people cannot be reasoned with. On either side of the planet there are giant man-babies with big bombs.
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I've wondered if the response might not be to make North Korea pay, but to make China (its biggest supporter) pay. To that end, putting sanctions on anyone who does business with NK as Trump says he will do, makes sense.
Personally - and no, I'm not recommending it, I'm just pissed-off enough to think it - I would tell China that if NK does anything untoward, the US will take out a Chinese city of our choosing. I think that the biggest problem is the Chinese lack motivation.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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My opinion about North Korea is the same as it ever was. There's nothing there. It's just another bogey man that will pop up anytime there is a lull in action for stories to attack Trump everyday.
Kim doesn't suffer from some diseased ideology like Islam. He's just trying to wave is big dick around for everybody to see is all. There is Zero ROI for him to actually try anything. He might as well be shooting off fireworks.
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Generally, I agree. I think - I HOPE - that Kim has looked down the road all the way to the end, and has seen what's there.
But think about it. This is a country where everyone has been deeply propagandized to believe the US is an aggressor enemy. I don't know about NK's internal state, or Kim's political stability, but the escalating displays make me think he's threatened in some way. And if Kim is playing a political game, at some point that game may play him. He may end up in a position where he can't be seen to be moderating his stance. He may HAVE to continue forward.
Then what?
Or, he might be genuinely nuts.
Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.
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That's all true. We could also be hit by an asteroid by this time next year and we're all boned.
I guess my point is there is absolutely nothing at all in the world that I could ever do about this. I'm not going to waste a single moment thinking about it.
If there are actual things to worry about, there are people about 100 levels above my paygrade that know a lot more about it than I do. I don't trust those people, but I trust that they don't have a deathwish either, so everything should be a-okay.
I'm not even convinced that he's not just some weird big cuddly teddy bear and all of this is made up. North Korea might as well be on Mars. Anybody here that doesn't have top level security clearance in our government that tells you they know what is going on is full of shit. 
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Quote:How would this deter China? That would merely help their population control. Unless their palace or capital is taken out - and Head of State targets are frowned upon.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I've wondered if the response might not be to make North Korea pay, but to make China (its biggest supporter) pay. To that end, putting sanctions on anyone who does business with NK as Trump says he will do, makes sense.
Personally - and no, I'm not recommending it, I'm just pissed-off enough to think it - I would tell China that if NK does anything untoward, the US will take out a Chinese city of our choosing. I think that the biggest problem is the Chinese lack motivation.
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In most asian cultures, saving face is a major component.
DPRK does not reside in the real world.
Those 2 combined result in dramatic disaster.
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Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
In most asian cultures, saving face is a major component.
DPRK does not reside in the real world.
Those 2 combined result in dramatic disaster.
Well... yanno.... whatever.
Maybe he is crazy. Maybe he'll back himself in a corner and and fire a nuke anywhere there is people and doom himself and whatever the population of Korea is?
Maybe I have an aneurysm 5 minutes after writing this post and nobody finds my body for weeks?
Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe.......
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Quote:Vladimir Putin’s analysis of North Korea is very different from Trump’s or 6stringJoker's "analysis", but similar to what you hear from American experts.
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Well... yanno.... whatever.
Maybe he is crazy. Maybe he'll back himself in a corner and and fire a nuke anywhere there is people and doom himself and whatever the population of Korea is?
Maybe I have an aneurysm 5 minutes after writing this post and nobody finds my body for weeks?
Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe.......
When Putin talked about the US-North Korea nuclear standoff in a press conference on Thursday night, his assessment of the situation matched far more closely with what you hear from US experts on North Korea than anything that the Trump administration has said.
Putin’s core point is that the central strategy of US policy under Trump, Obama, and Bush — attempting to pressure North Korea into giving up its nuclear program — has now conclusively failed. North Korea now believes that its nuclear arsenal is its best deterrent against an American invasion, and hence will not give it up no matter how much the United States tries to push them.
“They see nuclear weapons and weapons of mass destruction as the only way for them to protect themselves,” the Russian president said during the Thursday presser, held at an economic forum in Vladivostok, Russia.
That isn’t the Trump administration’s view. Just this week, UN Ambassador Nikki Haley called for “the strongest sanctions” to pressure North Korea into giving up nukes “before it's too late.” Yet the consensus position among America’s North Korea experts is that it is, in fact, too late: that nothing the US can do to Kim Jong Un could offset the deterrent value of his nuclear weapons.
“There is very little chance that we are ever going to talk this guy out of his weapons, and none of us who have been watching the situation closely for years really thought we were going to,” as Mira Rapp-Hooper, a scholar at Yale Law School who studies North Korea, put when I spoke to her this week.
Putin also noted that harsh American rhetoric — like Trump’s promise to respond to inflict “fire and fury like the world has never seen” on the North — serves only to escalate the situation. “It’s counterproductive to inflate this military hysteria. This leads nowhere,” he said.
This, once again, dovetails with what American experts told me in interviews. They believe that threats tend to inflame the North’s fears of invasion, causing them to respond with provocations and further development of their nuclear program.
“They’re responding to our threats, it’s tit-for-tat,” Dave Kang, the director of the Korean Studies Institute at the University of Southern California, says. “Our policies are designed precisely to provoke the outcome we’re trying to avoid.”
Finally, Putin argued that the best way to handle the nuclear crisis going forward is through negotiations — for the US and North Korea to develop better lines of communication in order to avoid a crisis escalating into a war that no one wants.
“All the competing sides have enough common sense and understanding of their responsibility. We can solve this problem through diplomatic means,” the Russian president said.
If you guessed that this is what most North Korea experts believe, then congratulations, you’ve got the pattern.
The United States has backed itself into a pretty obvious corner. The aim of denuclearizing North Korea is out of reach, which is tough to admit when America has spent decades warning of the consequences of Pyongyang’s program. Conceding defeat is very hard for anyone, and especially hard for people making policy for the world’s most powerful country.
www.vox.com/world/2017/9/8/16276122/north-korea-putin-trump-comments
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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