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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:14 PM

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No, liberals aren't "the " "real" fascists. There's plenty of political violence on the right wing as well. Unfortunately, political violence isn't a limited commodity.

You're engaging in the same "us" versus "them" thinking that's destroying us, and which will destroy democracy.

ALL REVOLUTIONS AND CIVIL WARS BEGAN WITH TEARING DOWN STATUES. Let's not head in that direction with identity politics, ok? Let's just focus on people's individual criminal actions, instead of trying to draw sectarian lines between "us" and "them". There are a million different ways that we can divide ourselves, but the practical differences in power and advantage between men and women, blacks and whites. gays and straights, rightwing versus leftwing, is nothing compared to the difference between the 0.01% and the rest of us. Fighting over our relatively small differences when we have so much in common is not only pointless, it's counterproductive.

then perhaps outlawing statue removal is the way to maintain peace. Seems to have worked for more than a century.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:17 PM

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Originally posted by G:
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Hating whole categories of people is just like hating Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims. But somehow, that lesson is lost on you .
You just equated Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims with Nazis. How long have you felt that way?

OK, I guess you really are trying to prove you are this dense.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:24 PM

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Well, you're wrong. Standing for something .... even standing for "Nazi" ideology ... ISN'T a crime, AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO CRIMINALIZE FREE SPEECH AND MAKE "WRONG THINKING" A CRIME.
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Good lord indeed. It's so *funny* how you were hell bent to tarnish and damn Ukrainians with the "Evil Nazi" moniker ("Yatz is aNazi - here's him doing a Nazi salute!" total bs btw), but now you are their champion. It's kinda queer the way you can turn on a moral dime like that and just type out one lie after another. SIGNYM: Defender of Nazis.
GSTRING: My problem with the neo-Nazis in Ukraine wasn't the goose-stepping torchlight parades and swastikas, it was the fact they they helped depose an elected government by violent means, burned 32 people inside the Trades Union building in Odessa, dragged people off of buses and beat them for being of the wrong language group, formed armed militias and engaged in "ethnic cleansing".

Also, I didn't label ALL Ukrainians as "Nazis". Did I not say many times that most Ukrainians who participated in Maidan wanted to stroll down the boulevards and drink coffee at coffee-shops? That they wanted a different life-style, but that there were provocateurs among them? Yes, I believe I did. FUNNY HOW YOU FORGOT THAT, ISN'T IT?

You really should read George Orwell's 1984. In that book, people could be arrested for thought crimes, and you seem to want to bring that kind of authoritarianism about.
Who said anything about arresting them? Who said I wanted to deny their rights to Free Speech? You can't stop lying. Although... Who said I forgot your coffee stroll imagery? I said you called Yatz a Nazi. Didn't you? How many lies is that in one post?

Since you don't seem too familiar with what a neo-Nazi is, here's what and who you are defending:

"Neo-Nazism consists of post-World War II militant, social or political movements seeking to revive the ideology of Nazism. The term neo-Nazism can also refer to the ideology of these movements.

Neo-Nazism borrows elements from Nazi doctrine, including ultranationalism, racism, ableism, xenophobia, homophobia, antiziganism, antisemitism, and initiating the Fourth Reich. Holocaust denial is a common feature, as is the incorporation of Nazi symbols and admiration of Adolf Hitler.

Neo-Nazi activity is a global phenomenon, with organized representation in many countries, as well as international networks. In some European and Latin American countries, laws have been enacted that prohibit the expression of pro-Nazi, racist, anti-Semitic or homophobic views. Many Nazi-related symbols are banned in European countries in an effort to curtail neo-Nazism."

Why do you protect and defend such people? Next you'll be lecturing us about ISIS' rights to free speech.

according to that opinion I could be declared a Nazi just by mentioning the dire world where Hitler was warring on 5 fronts and winning on all of them. It was a feat of military power.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by Riverlove:

post of the week goes to RiverLove.
Again.

REAVERFAN

Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:30 PM

You Nazis and Nazi lovers are not only ignorant of facts and history, but you inhabit a fantasyland of falsehoods.

Once again, for the people in the cheap seats:

Nazi terrorists murdered 2 people in Charlottesville.

Antifa SAVED LIVES.

You are pro-fascist. Antifa are the ANTI-fascists.

Stop wearing swastikas, and pick up a book.

REAVERFAN

Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by Riverlove:

post of the week goes to RiverLove.
Again.

No. YOU are the real fascists. You support actual fascists. Because you're stupid.

You'll note, if you actually read anything about it, that Nazis are fascists. Anti fascists are the opposite of them. They're lifesaving heroes.

You'll also note that the Nazis ALWAYS come ready to stab and shoot people, and they do.

Riverlove wins stupidest poster of the year.

REAVERFAN

Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Men's Rights Activist.

Not fascist. Just sick of the left-wing, SJW, feminist bullshit.

Just angry, bitter men who are losers with women, so they blame women for their inadequacies. Men like you, Jack.

Lots of them come to Nazism from there. They're losers in life (like you), and it's everyone else's fault.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:39 PM

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And yet another Nazi sympathizer emerges. How many is that now? 2, 4?
LOL... you're a clown like the other idiot here.

Yep. Everybody is a Nazi. That's a scary world you live in, snowflake.

There were so many facets of the of Nazi doctrine, and admiring any individual one of them seems to identify one as Nazi in Gstring's view.
IIRC economic productivity was one facet, and with today's Clinton born and Obama brainwashed snowflakes perhaps productivity really is the face of evil.

ED: and, umm, ditto for RF.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
post of the week goes to RiverLove.
Again.
No. YOU are the real fascists. You support actual fascists. Because you're stupid.

You'll note, if you actually read anything about it, that Nazis are fascists. Anti fascists are the opposite of them. They're lifesaving heroes.

You'll also note that the Nazis ALWAYS come ready to stab and shoot people, and they do.

Riverlove wins stupidest poster of the year.

does anybody know which media bubble RF resides in?

SIGNYM

Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:59 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hating whole categories of people is just like hating Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims. But somehow, that lesson is lost on you . - SIGNY

You just equated Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims with Nazis. How long have you felt that way?- GSTRING

No, you dumb shit, I'm equating YOU with Nazis. You're engaging in the same kind of hate-speech. The only difference between you and them is that your target groups are different.

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Who said anything about arresting them? Who said I wanted to deny their rights to Free Speech? You can't stop lying.- GSTRING

You did, when YOU posted that "standing for Nazi ideology is a crime. Here, let me quote you

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Third, you assume that "standing for something" is, in and of itself, a crime. - SIGNY
Nope, Not "standing for something" "standing for Nazi ideology." - GSTRING

Now, I know that you're going to post that you didn't complete that sentence, that you didn't SAY that standing for Nazi ideology is a crime, but your meaning is crystal clear to everyone, and if you take that tack you're just going to look like the weasely coward that you are.

SO, if standing for Nazi ideology is a "crime", then it should be possible to arrest people who do. Right?

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Since you don't seem too familiar with what a neo-Nazi is, here's what and who you are defending

GSTRING, is the ACLU a neo-Nazi group? Because my position and theirs is the same. You can't seem to make the leap past defending WHAT someone is saying versus defending their right to say it.

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Next you'll be lecturing us about ISIS' rights to free speech.- GSTRING

OOOH, ISIS! The ultimate boogeyman! I'm scared now! [/snark] Muslims are free to preach that the world would be better off if we all converted to Islam. About Allah. About how everyone who is a Shiite is an apostate, and that women should know their (very subservient) place in the world. They can talk about that until the cows come home. What they are NOT free to do is recruit for, support, engage in, or incite terrorism (i.e. political violence), or overthrow the government. (They're also not supposed to libel people, but that's another story.) I'm sure that there are other limits on free speech that I've forgotten about.

But there ARE limits to "free speech", you know.

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Anti fascists are the opposite of them. They're lifesaving heroes....
- REAVERFAN

EXCEPT WHEN THEY MACE YOUNG WOMEN IN THE FACE UNPROVOKED. EXCEPT WHEN THEY CALL FOR ERADICATING PEOPLE BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE. THEN THEY HAVE CROSSED THE LINE INTO CRIMINAL VIOLENCE AND VEERED VERY CLOSE TO INCITING VIOLENCE OR MAKING TERRORIST THREATS.

This is really disturbing. REVAERFAN, I thought you were at least a little reasonable. There is no group that is 100% anything. Antifa is made of individuals; some are good and some engage in criminal violence. At the same time that I wouldn't call them the "real fascists", I sure wouldn't call them "lifesaving heroes" either.

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
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