The Battle for Iraq - Ethnic Cleansing
POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Sunday, June 22, 2025 01:22
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Is the "Battle for Iraq" really just ethnic cleansing?
The US media, ever thoughtful of thier beloved President "elect" are reporting the "Battle for Iraq" as if it were a grand adventure. Just listen to the words used by American media to describe the recent troop push into Fallujah - bold, brave, dareing, strong. The people living there might use different adjectives.
Of course, this latest push into Fallujah is just the mop-up after a massive bombing campaign began in April. A city of 300,000 has been reduced to rubble and it's people either killed, injured, or homeless.
The US position is that, after contractors were hung from a bridge in Fallujah a few months earlier, this attack into Fallujah is a responce to that insident, the beheadings, and the constant rocket attacks by "insurgents" into Baghdad. The insurgents are often described as being "terrorists" from neighboring countries. Note that the leader of these "insurgents" is Ayman al-Zawahri who is described as a supporter/member of al Qaeda.
However...
Ayman al-Zawahri is not a member of al Qaeda. In fact he has written against Usama bin Laden and his politics. One mans terrorist is another mans religious leader. But the White House demands the media not make such distinctions, so they don't. I guess with Saddam in a nice retirement cell America needed another "bad guy" in Iraq? Notice al-Zawahri isn't quilty of anything but he's still a "bad guy"?
The "insurgents" are not terrorrists from neighboring countries. It's not like there is a bus tour from Syria. The insurgents are the people of Iraq. They are the people of Fallujah. They are the people defending thier homes. Defending them from an American attack.
Fallujah is a Sunni town. That is, they are not Saddam supporters or even supporters of terrorists. Never were. They have only ever wanted two things... Saddam dead. And an Islamic State.
The first is a no brainer. The second is the undeclared enemy of the Bush/Cheney war machine.
This is the real reason to attack the people of Iraq - because 80% of Iraq desires an Islamic State Government. Everyone but those old pals of the USA, the Bathists in Bagdadh. This is the unspoken political objective of the White House.
With American TV no longer bothering to report even how many Iraqies are dead (well over 100,000 now, an insane number, mostly women and children who died in those ever present American bombing raids) it's easy for the White House driven murder and torture to continue without any opposition. The only thing is, there aren't any terrorists for them to fight. Only Iraqies.
If that's the case then why are the Americans attacking and killing an entire city with it's massive military might?
If the USA is just attacking cities because of thier ethnicity then this is ethnic cleansing.
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Where to start?
Ayman al-Zawahri is profiled in a BBC article as "...Osama Bin Laden's right-hand man and the chief ideologue of al-Qaeda." and has no history of being in Iraq. Google his name and you'll find pretty much the same info a hundred times over.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1560834.stm
Perhaps you're referring to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the hostage beheader? GlobalSecurity.org has a nice writeup on him, including his history of supporting Al-Quaeda. Note that he isn't from Iraq. Once again, google is your friend for more info. http://globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/zarqawi.htm
At least some of the fighters in Fallujah have been foreign, Saudi adherents of the Wahabi sect of Sunni Islam that is popular in Fallujah and the state religion in Saudi Arabia.
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(from the Weekly Standard) In a piece dated June 1, the Saudi website alsaha.com, which propounds the extremist views of the kingdom's official Wahhabi sect of Islam, proudly reported the combat deaths in Fallujah of two Saudi subjects, Faisal Sultan al-Rougi al-Otabi and Tahir ash-Shoumani. The writer, Nassim al-Islam (doubtless a pseudonym--it means "wind of Islam"), adopts a tone of adulation: "Congratulations, Faisal, the color is that of blood and the scent that of musk. I wish I were with you to win great honor as a martyr."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=8387
Reports from Fallujah indicate that many of the captured fighters are not Iraqis.
Your comment about "well over 100,000 now, an insane number, mostly women and children who died in those ever present American bombing raids" appears to be loosely based on the Lancet article recently discussed here. The info about 'mostly women and children dying in bombing raids' is not supported by that article at all. If you can find a cite in the original article for your quote, please post it.
So it appears that your post is a goldmine of misinformation. Did you think no one would check?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Like the rest of the military actions in Iraq (staring with Gulf War I, which was sanitized for your viewing pleasure to a video-game view of one smart bomb) the USA Administration and it's ever-faithful press has buried (so to speak) the human toll of Iraq.
The USA CPA prevented the interim/ provisional Iraqi governments from tracking civilian deaths. (The argument in another thread was that the Iraqis were providing inflated estimates. The response to that is that the USA ITSELF should have been tracking the death toll- as required by the Geneva Convention. Since, according to the Adminsitration, we have sufficient forces and support to carry the occupation forward, what is the excuse for not doing so???)
So the first thing that the USA did is take over the hosptial in Falujah. Why?? Because their presence would reduce the number of people seeking treatment- even civilians afraid to be mistaken for insurgents- and they could also control the reported numbers. But even if each bomb dropped and each missile fired killed 1/2 Iraqi, we are in the realm of tens of thousands dead. USA troops were keeping aid OUT of Iraq. What we are talking about is planned human slaughter, deliberately expunged from the record.
On a personal note: At birth, my daughter suffered a trauma so severe that she was given a 50/50 chance of survival. We didn't know for a month whether she would live or die. I know the heartache and pain from personal experience of watching your child in mortal danger. Do you not think that Iraqis feel the same about their children? Their parents, spouses, brothers and sisters? Christ, it's enough to make me weep!
AND THEN WE WONDER WHY "THEY" HATE US SO MUCH!
Why indeed?
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^^^
Thanx SIGNYM for that terrific info. One thing that scares the crap outta me is that the US still withholds even water from Fallujah and cities they don't like. The cruel tactics of the US are only now beginning to be criticized. Great point regarding children too. Americans really need to understand that the affects of this will last for generations.
I'm glad you did check Geezer ... got the names totally wrong! Oops!
I might say your post is just a bunch of links to more disinformation. I'm giving you my insights and you can take 'em or leave 'em. 
Yes, I got the names mixed up. Ooops! 
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi or Abu Massad Al-Zakawi??? It's so hard to get info straight when American sources don't even bother to spell Usama bin Laden correctly. And btw I find that the news, even the BBC, are prone to calling everyone and the cat a member of al Qaeda... it's not like they have a list. It's not like MI6 is giving them one either!
And he...
http://globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/zarqawi.htm
... isn't al Qaeda (even YOUR link here suggests that!). Trust me. The other guy, the Egyptian, he sure is - as far as I know he's an old Jihad camel lover from waaay back. 
Where is the CIA when they're needed? Oh yea, Iraq.
Over 100000 dead Iraqi women and children. Trust me. Remember when the US troops arrived and thier was no army to fight? Who do you think were they bombing?
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=7774
I even made a thread about it. 
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I can't possibly express my disgust and shame at the rationalization supporting our actions. And we wonder why they hate us so much because after all we're basically such "nice" people.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Over 100000 dead Iraqi women and children. Trust me.
'Fraid I can't. Your research is so sloppy. I need proof.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Over 100000 dead Iraqi women and children. Trust me.
'Fraid I can't. Your research is so sloppy. I need proof.
Geezer - there simply isn't a better source than the Lancet Medical Journal at this time. Sorry.
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I don't know any real numbers concerning Iraqi casualties. It's too hard to tell, what with all the massive fleeing of thepeople to the Iraqi countryside, and the (hopefully) obvious actions being taken to squelch the information.
We do know however that there were over 300,000 people there to begin with, and there are now only about 60,000 remaining.
source:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/813419D5-CC95-4505-9367-0514011
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This very much reminds me of Gulf War I. When we bragging about dropping thousands of bombs per day, Saddam was admitting to eight civilian casualties and we were admitting to none. And everyone (except the victims of course) was happy with that little fantasy. But Geezer, with his vast intellect and great skepticism, can't see past that.
You see Geezer need PROOF. Photos! Body counts! Certs of death! Notes from Bush to Rumie detailing how many Iraqis need to be killed today! He needs these irrefutable facts brought to him because if he had to engage the truth then he might have to admit moral culpability. And that might make him uncomfortable. It's just so much easier to rationalize it all away....
Geezer, I'm going to stop responding to your posts for a while. I'm not sure even a note from God would satisfy you.
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