The Battle for Iraq - Ethnic Cleansing
POSTED BY: Ghoulman
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Originally posted by rue:
BTW, I do think you owe SignyM an apology at the very least. And as for my comment (you looked lame) which was the MILDEST of personal observations, it doesn't even come close to your standard of insult that you throw around without guilt. So my next observation is that you also look like a hypocrite.
I will admit that in the heat of the moment, I have allowed some comments to become personal. I will try to keep it on a higher level. I am sure that Signym, and yourself, are sincere in your beliefs, as I am in mine. If my opinions offend you, so be it, but I will stop the name-calling.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by Geezer:
Rue. Let me correct your creative editing. (the dropped text is in bold and italics.)Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/194BA8A5-2DAF-461A-A101-5965D01
56D17.htm
Thursday 18 November 2004
Al-Jazeera
(O)f the more than 1000 men between the ages of 15 and 55 who were captured in intense fighting in Fallujah last week, just 15 are confirmed foreign fighters, General George Casey, the top US ground commander in Iraq, said on Monday.
Several senior commanders agree that the overwhelming majority of fighters are drawn from tens of thousands of former government employees whose sympathies lie with Saddam Hussein, unemployed criminals who find work laying roadside bombs, and Iraqi "religious extremists".
Also on Monday, Iraqi Interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi acknowledged that anti-US fighters were largely made up of his countrymen.But he maintained that foreign fighters had often been responsible for car bombings and other spectacular attacks that he said were designed to derail elections scheduled for January.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
I guess I am right when I say that there are no terrrorists in Iraq.
There are no "foreign fighters".
I guess this explains why the White House told the media to use the word "insurgents" to describe "the enemy"
Ghoulman is right again.
How long will it take for people to realize Fallujah was leveled by a lawless occupation force bent on terrifying the population by destroying thier entire city.
Maybe "Ethnic Cleansing" isn't the correct word, but what word do we have for a force who is so morally bankrupt they feel they can destroy a whole city to put down resistance?
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Pictures you will never see on US TV.
http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com/
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A 35 year-old merchant from Fallujah, Abu Hammad, starts telling us what he experienced, and barely breathes while doing so because he is so enraged.
"The American warplanes came continuously through the night and bombed everywhere in Fallujah! It did not stop even for a moment! If the American forces did not find a target to bomb, they used sound bombs just to terrorize the people and children. The city stayed in fear; I cannot give a picture of how panicked everyone was."
He is shaking with grief and anger. "In the mornings I found Fallujah empty, as if nobody lives in it. Even poisonous gases have been used in Fallujah-they used everything-tanks, artillery, infantry, poison gas. Fallujah has been bombed to the ground. Nothing is left."
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You dont like this board Ghoul....you said so yourself.
Yet, you come here and post more than a few times a day, and its never talking about the show, cast, or things remotely related to the movie.
You constantly argue about being labeled a 'Troll', but you seem intent on creating thread after thread that strays completely from the interest in which the site was designed.
From now on I'm going to call all threads/topics relating to the Firefly TV show & Serenity movie "Ghoulman kryptonite". 
They didnt call it the dark ages because it was dark.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Pictures you will never see on US TV.
http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com/
Yep,
There a bit over the top for public consumption over public airwaves, huh?
By the way, do these sort of pictures appear on Irish or Canadian TV?
I hope not. I don't like the idea of kids seeing this stuff. After a while, they get used to it and the idea of the horror of war gets diluted.
IMHO
Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.
BarnStormer
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Originally posted by Geezer:
The topic of this thread was ethnic cleansing, specifically relating to the attack on Fallujah. The premise that the coalition forces, primarily the Americans, showed no regard for civilian casualties, and in fact wanted to kill Sunnis.
My position is that the American forces have gone to great lengths to reduce civilian casualties as far as possible, while the insurgents have not, and in fact are currently causing far more casualties among the civilian population.
Witnesses say US forces killed unarmed civilians
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=586045
By Kim Sengupta in Baghdad
24 November 2004
Allegations of widespread abuse by US forces in Fallujah, including the killing of unarmed civilians and the targeting of a hospital in an attack, have been made by people who have escaped from the city.
They said, in interviews with The Independent, that as well as deaths from bombs and artillery shells, a large number of people including children were killed by American snipers. US forces refused repeated calls for medical aid for injured civilians, they said.
Some of the killings took place in the build-up to the assault on the rebel stronghold, and at least in one case - that of the death of a family of seven, including a three-month baby - the American authorities have admitted responsibility and offered compensation.
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I don't think that "we" can do no wrong. I'm aware that members of the American forces have committed crimes under our military's code of conduct (one of the strictest in the world concerning treatment of civilians and prisoners, I might add). I'm also aware that these people are being prosecuted and punished. And we don't have to wait for some international court to do it.
The White House has given the OK to ignore the Geneva Convention. US personael are guilty of murder, torture, and every other crime. Makes one pine for the days when Saddam was in power - fewer deaths!
That's the thing about a pro-American stance regarding Iraq... it's a lie. The US lied to the world, invaded, bombed, tortured, and on and on. The USA is a lawless aggressor. What are the people of Iraq to think?
Until the US Army is held accountable to even the most basic human rights laws (ask the UN, have been begging the USA to honour this for decades) one can't but treat the US Military, at least in Iraq, and anyone involved with this organisation, as criminals. BTW, it isn't the Military that came up with this evil... it was the White House.
See the problems Bush/Cheney cause? Their brilliant plan to bring peace to Iraq has brought about the undeniable conclusion that Americas are all murders, torturers, and liars who should be killed on site. Not because they are hated, but for simple self preservation!
SELF PRESERVATION!
The point is that currently the US Military operates without any legal impediments. None! The Bush/Cheney White House has been bullying the UN and the Hague to keep American Military murderers free from the law.
Then - Abu Ghraib.
But this is all academic.. the point of my original post is to point out that the US Military is, seemingly, operating lawlessly. At least this is a perception held by anyone in Iraq.
And if this is the case, the only thing to do is defend yourself - kill all the Americans.. there isn't any other choice!
How insane is that?
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Originally posted by BarnStormer:Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Pictures you will never see on US TV.
http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com/
Yep,
There a bit over the top for public consumption over public airwaves, huh?
By the way, do these sort of pictures appear on Irish or Canadian TV?
I hope not. I don't like the idea of kids seeing this stuff. After a while, they get used to it and the idea of the horror of war gets diluted.
IMHO
Thank you for those comments Dr. Phil.
Oh, because there is a forward slash before your /QUOTE anchor your post is a little messed up. Just key a space between the forward slash in your URL and the /QUOTE anchor.
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Originally posted by TauSetiPrime:
You dont like this board Ghoul....you said so yourself.
Yet, you come here and post more than a few times a day, and its never talking about the show, cast, or things remotely related to the movie.
You constantly argue about being labeled a 'Troll', but you seem intent on creating thread after thread that strays completely from the interest in which the site was designed.
From now on I'm going to call all threads/topics relating to the Firefly TV show & Serenity movie "Ghoulman kryptonite".
They didnt call it the dark ages because it was dark.
? Hey, if you feel that's a fair and mature thing to do, go right ahead. I'm sure you will be applauded for your vitriol by the people on this BBS.
And yea, I do hate this board and most of the people who post here but I'm so constantly amazed at how ignorant, spiteful, and childish people are just because I start my own threads in the proper forum. Sorry for all the logic.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
? Hey, if you feel that's a fair and mature thing to do, go right ahead. I'm sure you will be applauded for your vitriol by the people on this BBS.
And yea, I do hate this board and most of the people who post here but I'm so constantly amazed at how ignorant, spiteful, and childish people are just because I start my own threads in the proper forum. Sorry for all the logic.
After stating your utter distaste for the people, and the board.......some might logically conclude that "The proper forum" in your case is one belonging to another site. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
They didnt call it the dark ages because it was dark.
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