How Safe is Canada
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UPDATED: Saturday, January 31, 2026 18:13
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
http://www.glasnost.de/hist/usa/1935invasion.html
A little dated but hey,
We even had a mini series not long ago with the American threat as a theme
http://www.cbc.ca/h2o/
Say you only want to be friends.....
Even if you mean it
Can your government really be trusted ?
Try not to laugh when you ask yourself this
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Hey Gino,
This thread got a bit buried (probably should have left it there
)But anyway, we all seem to be gluttons for punishment on these threads, are'nt we???
So....That 1935 Canada invasion thing? You might find this interesting as a counterpoint.
http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mcanadawar.html
This sort of wargame planning is done by all countries with a dedicated military. And yes, that includes Canada. I'm quite sure that somewhere in the Canadian Defense Department there is a plan to attack Greenland or North Dakota or something. It's just the way it's done.
Also, why you would place a link to a Canadian TV miniseries to bolster your fear of the U.S. invading Canada is to say the least, Ridiculous.
Heck, not long ago I watched an American TV miniseries about an invasion by Cylons with big space ships called Battlestars. I tend to take the idea of cylons and stuff with a grain of salt if you know what I mean.
By the way, you never answered my previous question. I've copied it below for you.
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Wow, alots been said in this thread over the weekend huh?
Gino
A couple of points I'd like to make.....
First
I have no idea how you or anyone else could possible think that the U.S. would attack Canada.
Until this election period, and the political threads that have resulted from/about it, I have never doubted that Canada and the U.S. were friends. And now, after reading some of these vitriolic comments (ie "start shooting americans" , ect.) I have to say that I have not changed my mind in the least. I think the U.S. and Canada are allies and will always remain so.
No matter what you think and say in this moment of rage you seem to be going thru.
Second
I have great respect for anyone who will take up arms to protect their country that they believe in and love. That includes you.
Third
The U.S. was attacked, not by a nation state, but by terrorists. We then declared war on the terrorist and the nation states that actively support them. I would be very, very suprised (based upon your earlier posts concerning defending and fighting for your country) if you and your country would not have done the same if it was 3000 Canadians that died on Canadian soil using innocent civilans in jetliners as your weapon of choice.
I'm sorry your so pissed off at us.
I'm sorry you think your country is at risk by the U.S.
But I am not sorry that America is fighting against the terrorist factions and those who support them.
Take that as you will, but thats what this American thinks and feels.
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Cheers
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Gino,
If you could comment on point number three above.
Cheers again, (sound of beer being opened)
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Originally posted by BarnStormer:
Third
The U.S. was attacked, not by a nation state, but by terrorists. We then declared war on the terrorist and the nation states that actively support them. I would be very, very suprised (based upon your earlier posts concerning defending and fighting for your country) if you and your country would not have done the same if it was 3000 Canadians that died on Canadian soil using innocent civilans in jetliners as your weapon of choice.
BarnStormer
If I may...
In my humble opinion - if you attack America, you will die.
That's the deal people. Don't forget it. The al Qaeda Terrorist Network attacked the USA, even attacking the Pentagon itself!
America determined that many of these Terrorists train in Afganistan, thus an invasion there and many Taliban bastards were killed... but no Usama bin Laden. We were told Usama was in Afganistan but we never got him. Funny that.
No one ever questioned the USAs right to do this.
HOWEVER... People all over the world are fully aware that Americas' Invasion of Iraq is illegal.
Why?
Because there are no terrorists in Iraq. Never were.
No connection to terrorists. And no weapons to sell to terrorists (*since 1991*).
Yet the White House insists they never made a mistake, never endangered the lives of Americans or murdered and tortured innocent Iraqi civilians.
Note - there cannot be a "War against Terror" anymore than there can be a war against drugs. Same silly illogic you see.
That's the truth of the situation. That is all.
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Well Ghoulman,
I was asking Gino to comment.
But since you appeared how about answering my question also, not stating well worn arguments that we have heard time and time again from many perspectives with differing views.
I understand from previous posts you've made that you are an Irish national who has immigrated to Canada?
So....the question to you also is:
If the terrorists had murdered 3000 of your countrymen using airliners filled with innocent people as their weapon of choice,
What would you do????????
(take your pick of Canada, Ireland, or both)
By the way, this is a serious question, I'm really interested and curious to find out what your reaction would be. All kidding aside.
Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.
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" Third
The U.S. was attacked, not by a nation state, but by terrorists. We then declared war on the terrorist and the nation states that actively support them. I would be very, very suprised (based upon your earlier posts concerning defending and fighting for your country) if you and your country would not have done the same if it was 3000 Canadians that died on Canadian soil using innocent civilans in jetliners as your weapon of choice. "
I'll answer, but I don't think you'll like my take on these questions:
One " The U.S. was attacked, not by a nation state, but by terrorists. We then declared war "
The United States didn't declare this war, Bin Laden did in 1997, see this interview with CNN's Peter Arnett.
http://www.ishipress.com/osamaint.htm
Bin Laden contends that US foreign policy, the active support of Israel against Palestine, the proping up of the regime in Saudi Arabia as well as other places were the first attacks in this war.
I would also contend that the application of terror is a military function during war, your " shock and awe " going into Iraq for example. I could give several other historical examples of this.
" nation states that actively support them. "
Iraq was never proven to had anything to do with Al-Quida, well before the US went in anyway.
Afganistan " before you invaded " was seeking some kind of international extradition process concerning Bin Laden, the biggest hurdle was the US didn't want to present any evidence
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1539468.stm
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001/11/03/extradite.htm
" if you and your country would not have done the same if it was 3000 Canadians that died on Canadian soil using innocent civilans in jetliners as your weapon of choice. "
First of all, I would like to think we would have a revolution up here before our government acted the way yours has on the international stage.
Second, the idea of " innocent " doesn't appeal to me. I think that a citizen of a country is responsible for the actions of that country. Think of the Japanese who died in the fire-bombing of Tokyo during WW2. They paid the price for the actions of their government. Sure I would fight, have no illusion about that, but in that case I would compare myself to the German soldier of say late 1944.
Democrat... Republican
it doesn't matter, it is the way you do thinks around the world that has to change.
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Also, why you would place a link to a Canadian TV miniseries to bolster your fear of the U.S. invading Canada is to say the least, Ridiculous.
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Part of this topic, also includes how the US is viewed from outside the US,
If a segment of our " pop culture " treats the US as a threat to the existance of our country...
What does the average Canadian think of the US ?
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Gino
You as well did not answer my question.
What would you do????????
What would you expect your chosen government to do???
Honestly, I'm not trying to bait you. I'm just curious and interested in what you would do if you had to make the decision????
Really!!!!
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Originally posted by BarnStormer:
Well Ghoulman,
I was asking Gino to comment.
But since you appeared how about answering my question also, not stating well worn arguments that we have heard time and time again from many perspectives with differing views.
I understand from previous posts you've made that you are an Irish national who has immigrated to Canada?
So....the question to you also is:
If the terrorists had murdered 3000 of your countrymen using airliners filled with innocent people as their weapon of choice,
What would you do????????
(take your pick of Canada, Ireland, or both)
By the way, this is a serious question, I'm really interested and curious to find out what your reaction would be. All kidding aside.
Sorry for jumping in. Not fair I realize.
I don't have to create a scenario. I can still use 9/11.
Please remember the world wide sympathy and support the USA recieved immediately after Sept 9/11. Compare that with RIGHT NOW.
After 9/11 Canada had massive memorials and housed thousands of stranded Americans who couldn't fly for a month after (Saudies get to fly home but not Americans... anyho') and when we learned that the USA found a terrorist stronghold supported by a disgusting collection of thugs in Afganistan (the Taliban) we in Canada WENT TO WAR for the first time since Korea.
Tell me. What the frell did you think we did?
Not that Americans even remember as far back as Afganistan. You're all about your failed Coalition of the Shrinking... *chuckle*.
It's the Occupation of Iraq that is illegal and immoral. America was dead to rights going into Afganistan and got world wide support to do so!
Then you let goofs in the White Houe piss all that away. Now the USA is considered the worst sort of nation. Lies, murder, torture. The list goes on.
See? I don't have to make anything up. We Canadians did what we knew we needed to do.
And we knew Iraq wasn't a threat. EVERYONE knew that. But this phony threat from Saddam was sold to the US and you people swallowed it like week old rubber smudge.
Remember, there is a real struggle against fundementalism in the mountains of Afganistan and America has destroyed any chance of creating alliences to combat the threat and has effectively abandonded any ligitimate struggle against terrorism for thier Oil and Israel policy.
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Sorry, I thought I was clear when I said
" Sure I would fight, have no illusion about that, but in that case I would compare myself to the German soldier of say late 1944. "
It would be the wrong side, and hopefully the losing side... but I would stand with my country none the less. But also I truely believe that in Canada we would never have been attacked for the reasons you were, we have had a history of bad governments... but not ones which are completely immoral.
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Well.......
OK, I finally got the answers from both of you that I asked for. You both would fight if your country was attacked like the U.S. was.
But my own opinion is still the same concerning the extra garnish you placed in your answers.
Sorry guys, but I just don't agree with your view that America is the new "Evil Empire" (and I don't mean Microsoft ). But that is my opinion, which I have as much a right to as you have for your opinion.
We may not see eye to eye, but we should give each other the benefit of the doubt and not just assume the other is Myopic. Don't you think so?
I'm gone for the weekend, everyone have a good one if you can, and I'll catch you on Monday.
Cheers!
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