The wiretap tweet IS true (update)
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UPDATED: Wednesday, February 11, 2026 16:07
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
That being said, they already have all of the conversations that Trump and all of his cronies have had with anybody going back probably as far as the Access Hollywood tape. If there was collaboration with Russia, show the proof please.
What is it that makes you so, well, naïve. Trump may be innocent. There may be no collusion or inappropriate contacts with Russia discovered. The process however, of discovering whether or not he did has to proceed. What's been transpiring here, is some have been claiming Trumps innocence from day one. Evidence be damned. They have also been supporting his false claims against Obama. Others here, including myself, are saying there is a trail of circumstantial evidence that must be followed. And on occasion, posting what that evidence is.
After all 6, Trump did make a foreign agent this countries national security advisor. If for no other reason, these investigations must proceed. We need to protect ourselves from that kind of stupidity, or treasonous behavior.
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
What is it that makes you so, well, naïve. Trump may be innocent. There may be no collusion or inappropriate contacts with Russia discovered. The process however, of discovering whether or not he did has to proceed. What's been transpiring here, is some have been claiming Trumps innocence from day one. Evidence be damned. They have also been supporting his false claims against Obama. Others here, including myself, are saying there is a trail of circumstantial evidence that must be followed. And on occasion, posting what that evidence is.
After all 6, Trump did make a foreign agent this countries national security advisor. If for no other reason, these investigations must proceed. We need to protect ourselves from that kind of stupidity, or treasonous behavior.
It's not naivety. Let the investigations proceed.
What I would like to see is the MSM treat Trump as they would have treated Hillary and they did Obama for 8 years. Obama got away with a LOT of bad behavior because it was never even reported on. Maybe I'm not even saying the MSM should back off of Trump. Maybe I'm saying that they should have been going after Obama just as much.
I said that the way the left (including MSM) behaved from day one after the election was going to create a lot of push back. They weren't only attacking Trump, but they doubled down and continued to attack anybody who voted for him as some (basket of deplorables remark here).
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What you want is not possible. Why, because of who and what Trump is. Someone who lies on a daily bases; about everything. And because he is not up to the task of being president. 6, the guy is erratic. That's what the press are reporting. They aren't making this stuff up. You forget that Trump prides himself on driving the message. To do that he is used to saying and doing outrageous things. His problem is he doesn't understand the President is held to a higher standard than a candidate. The world, our allies, think he's nuts and incompetent. As do many, many Americans.Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
What is it that makes you so, well, naïve. Trump may be innocent. There may be no collusion or inappropriate contacts with Russia discovered. The process however, of discovering whether or not he did has to proceed. What's been transpiring here, is some have been claiming Trumps innocence from day one. Evidence be damned. They have also been supporting his false claims against Obama. Others here, including myself, are saying there is a trail of circumstantial evidence that must be followed. And on occasion, posting what that evidence is.
After all 6, Trump did make a foreign agent this countries national security advisor. If for no other reason, these investigations must proceed. We need to protect ourselves from that kind of stupidity, or treasonous behavior.
It's not naivety. Let the investigations proceed.
What I would like to see is the MSM treat Trump as they would have treated Hillary and they did Obama for 8 years. Obama got away with a LOT of bad behavior because it was never even reported on. Maybe I'm not even saying the MSM should back off of Trump. Maybe I'm saying that they should have been going after Obama just as much.
I said that the way the left (including MSM) behaved from day one after the election was going to create a lot of push back. They weren't only attacking Trump, but they doubled down and continued to attack anybody who voted for him as some (basket of deplorables remark here).
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I'm not denying what you just said about Trump. I'm glad that there are checks and balances, especially when the Republicans have all of the power right now. It's never a good thing for any Americans when all of that power is consolidated either way.
I just wish the MSM might have brought up things like Obama handing over the keys to the Internet to the UN back in October. Most people today are still unaware that this even happened. If that were to happen under Trump they would have talked about it everyday for a month at least. So much stuff Obama did flew under the radar because he was the MSM's golden boy.
Now if we can find some candidates for the next election that aren't batshit crazy to the opposite polls of the spectrum, and we can be inclusive to white males and start kicking out Hate Speech against whites and males in places such as Universities, maybe we can get back to some more moderate politics and start unifying this country again.
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There were all kinds of discussions on Net Neutrality. On MSN and other outlets. Here's why I lean towards what Obama was trying to do. Maybe you missed it.
Obama's statement is a shot across the bow for Wheeler, a former telecom lobbyist and one of the president's top fundraisers in 2008 and 2012. For the last year, Wheeler has resisted proposing Open Internet rules that would prevent broadband service providers from collecting fees from content companies in exchange for special access to Internet users—an arrangement formally known as "paid prioritization," but often dismissed pejoratively as "Internet fast lanes."
http://time.com/3576010/net-neutrality-barack-obama-fcc-open-internet/
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I'm not denying what you just said about Trump. I'm glad that there are checks and balances, especially when the Republicans have all of the power right now. It's never a good thing for any Americans when all of that power is consolidated either way.
I just wish the MSM might have brought up things like Obama handing over the keys to the Internet to the UN back in October. Most people today are still unaware that this even happened. If that were to happen under Trump they would have talked about it everyday for a month at least. So much stuff Obama did flew under the radar because he was the MSM's golden boy.
Now if we can find some candidates for the next election that aren't batshit crazy to the opposite polls of the spectrum, and we can be inclusive to white males and start kicking out Hate Speech against whites and males in places such as Universities, maybe we can get back to some more moderate politics and start unifying this country again.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
1. Obamabots target Trump and his campaign people for wiretapping, but dance and jump around the legalese terms of the law by claiming that they are "officially" targeting only foreign subjects who are most likely to be in phone conversations with the real targets, the Trump people. Only Libtards and other Democrats claim this is "normal" or "regular" or "common" practice, policy, or procedure. Practiced by every President all the way back to Benjamin Franklin's first term.
Further mention of this "common" or "routine" pretend claim by Libtards is addressed in this article regarding John Bolton's unmasking of citizens, for actual real National Security purposes, and after 12 years not one single name has been leaked or confirmed by anybody from those cases, yet at least 9 different miscreants of the Obamabot Army have illegally either leaked or confirmed names which were illegally unmasked at Susan Rice's direction.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-bolton-unmasking-files-1493589727
http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/05/01/bolton-unmasking-files-democrats-
give-susan-rice-pass-they-didnt-give-john-bolton
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2017/05/02/the_bolton_unmasking_files
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
There were all kinds of discussions on Net Neutrality. On MSN and other outlets. Here's why I lean towards what Obama was trying to do. Maybe you missed it.
I wasn't talking about Net Neutrality.
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37114313
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37527719
I was talking about this happening when nobody was looking. All eyes were on Clinton and Trump and nobody was even talking about this.
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Quote:But they did notice!! The only problem is they were all of the criminals who were also committing the crimes - the Obamabot Army. This practice had never happened before, having never had a Constitutional Law Professor to lead them before as POTUS. Nobody outside the Obamabot Army had preformed these illegal acts before, and why should Democraps suddenly think that them continuing their habitual and constant criminal behavior should be a problem - it's not like anybody in the Obama arena could be accused of a crime - he is the BLACK PRESIDENT and is immune from prosecution because nobody can fault a BLACK person who is incapable of conforming to the Law, or Constitution.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What's become clear (to me) is that there is an awful lot of "incidental" surveillance going on ...
... that under the guise of collecting intelligence on "foreign" targets, Americans with any sort of contact with ANY foreigner can be swept up under CIA/ NSA guidelines. It didn't matter if it was Trump at Mira Lago or Paul Stone talking to Guccifer 2.0 (after-the-fact) ... or your or I communicating with MAGONSDAUGHTER or BRENDA ... any foreign contact can be used as an excuse to monitor an American individual, since warrants aren't needed to surveil foreigners.
I'm surprised that nobody else seemed to notice. Ok, not surprised. Disappointed.
What were you thinking?
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But as usual, we only find out what the CIA/ NSA (and our other spooks) are doing AFTER they've been caught. Just like Obama was revealed by Snowden allowing the NSA to surveil Americans universally (*You DID know that, didn't you?*)Quote:
In June 2013, reports from a cache of top secret documents leaked by ex-NSA contractor Edward Snowden revealed that the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) and its international partners had created a global system of surveillance that was responsible for the mass collection of information on American and foreign citizens. Obama initially defended NSA mass surveillance programs when they were first leaked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_on_mass_surveillance
I found a much more interesting source here
Obama-era Surveillance Timeline
https://sharylattkisson.com/obama-era-surveillance-timeline/
With the allegation that Trump Tower was "wiretapped" comes the whole sordid story of the ubiquity of our internal surveillance ... and a promise by the NSA not to do it again!Quote:
NSA concedes violating surveillance limits and pledges curbs on US email collection
Amid an unexpected fight over US surveillance powers from congressional Republicans, the National Security Agency has agreed to curb its highly controversial collection of Americans’ emails that discuss foreign intelligence targets, although how comprehensive that stoppage is remains unclear.
According to a US official directly familiar with the decision, the NSA has agreed to cease so-called “about” surveillance under a critical 2008 legal authority, known as section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (Fisa).
Yet the NSA has other authorities available to it for collecting substantial amounts of the same sort of American communications, including a Ronald Reagan-era executive order, known as 12333. The NSA has not indicated whether or not the “about” collection will cease wholesale, or merely migrate to a different legal authority.
Though the NSA continues to defend the legality of the surveillance it is curbing, it conceded on Friday that the decision follows an internal review that determined it violated constraints agreed to with a secret surveillance court. It called those violations “inadvertent”.
The US surveillance juggernaut has assured intelligence officials that it will limit its vast interception of US communications that transit the internet, known as “upstream” collection, under section 702 to those messages sent from or received by foreign intelligence targets.
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Tough call. ICANN was created on September 18, 1998, and incorporated on September 30, 1998, in the U.S. state of California. It is headquartered in the Playa Vista neighborhood of Los Angeles. It's been doing the job since its inception. So, as I said, tough call. Globalization must be behind this decision. Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
There were all kinds of discussions on Net Neutrality. On MSN and other outlets. Here's why I lean towards what Obama was trying to do. Maybe you missed it.
I wasn't talking about Net Neutrality.
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37114313
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37527719
I was talking about this happening when nobody was looking. All eyes were on Clinton and Trump and nobody was even talking about this.
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Thanks very much for the mention of EO 12333. I have been trying to find this reference, but was stymied by the exact name and number. This was the item that Clap Clap Clappper Clappper spent so much time denying and dancing around, diverting from the crimes he was asked about and would not answer to.
This linky should provide the full text of Executive Order 12333, which has been amended at least twice.
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/codification/executive-order
/12333.html
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