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Is Trump Nuts?

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Wednesday, April 19, 2017 6:35 PM

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

Well then. Go fuck yourself.

By all means, continue to post your ill thought out ramblings about nothing then. Don't let me stop you.

To "The Future":

Do your own fact checking when reading the bullshit that Second posts. A lot of times she makes it pretty easy by posting things that argue her own points in the very same post.

Hey, 6stringJoker! I actually read what you wrote on another post at www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61597&mid=1029240#
1029240
You did not understand the article (assuming you read it) because your comment was
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Maybe if they stopped lying, they'd stop being called liars.

I have a better title to this article...

Talking To Myself: The Sound of a Tree Falling in a Forest When No One is There to Hear it

Real world Texas Republicans that I am familiar with, and you, pull out the ultimate defense every day when you are caught lying or deliberately misrepresenting facts: You accuse the other person of being the liar or not understanding. It is a very useful technique if the truthful one, the knowledgeable one, won't take it up a level to murder, or at least punch in the nose, the liar. Moses knew of this nasty and primitive technique used by liars to defend their lies. That is why the 8th Commandment that Moses brought down from God is “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor” because if the liar does bear false witness, the neighbor might break the 5th Commandment: “Thou shalt not murder”. The Commandments are there for your protection, 6stringJoker.

www.dummies.com/religion/christianity/catholicism/catholicism-and-the-
ten-commandments
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, April 19, 2017 6:47 PM

LOL...

Show me once where I have lied about anything here.



The rest of that post sounds like a death threat.

That wasn't a threat on my life now, was it Second?

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Wednesday, April 19, 2017 8:05 PM

A quote from SECOND


It's a technical problem because we are not at the same spot on Earth at the same time having a conversation. This is not like emails sent back and forth to colleagues. Not like a business letter sent by US Postal Service. For me it is more like I'm sending vacation postcards from an exotic land and you are a stranger who momentarily got your hands on a message not written specially for you, then you scribble a note on my postcard and send on it along, thinking you are making a positive contribution to humanity. You're not.


This is way over his head SECOND. Don't drop him from this height, he won't survive.



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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

I can't have a conversation with you because you are just all over the map. This is a problem I've pointed out before, and others have noticed as well.

It's a technical problem because we are not at the same spot on Earth at the same time having a conversation. This is not like emails sent back and forth to colleagues. Not like a business letter sent by US Postal Service. For me it is more like I'm sending vacation postcards from an exotic land and you are a stranger who momentarily got your hands on a message not written specially for you, then you scribble a note on my postcard and send on it along, thinking you are making a positive contribution to humanity. You're not.

"Conversation" is possible between like minded people who have the time and indicate they want to "converse". I come here to post some oddity I find about Trump's mind, or the minds of his voters, or the minds of people that think Trump is not half nuts. I'm not here to read your opinion then post my response to the peculiar way your mind works. That would be more effort than you are worth to me. You're just some stranger scribbling notes on post cards I'm sending to the future. I'm going to do what I came here to do one more time:

www.nytimes.com/2017/04/18/books/review/knowledge-illusion-steven-slom
an-philip-fernbach.html


. . . Most people don’t like too many facts, and they certainly don’t like to feel stupid. If you think that you can convince Donald Trump of the truth of global warming by presenting him with the relevant facts — think again.

Indeed, scientists who believe that facts can change public opinion may themselves be the victims of scientific groupthink. The scientific community believes in the efficacy of facts, hence those loyal to that community continue to believe they can win public debates by marshaling the right facts, despite much empirical evidence to the contrary. Similarly, the traditional belief in individual rationality may itself be the product of groupthink rather than of empirical evidence. In one of the climactic moments of Monty Python’s “Life of Brian,” a huge crowd of starry-eyed followers mistakes Brian for the Messiah. Caught in a corner, Brian tells his disciples: “You don’t need to follow me, you don’t need to follow anybody! You’ve got to think for yourselves! You’re all individuals!” The enthusiastic crowd then chants in unison: “Yes! We’re all individuals!” Monty Python was parodying the counterculture orthodoxy of the 1960s, but the point may be true of the belief in rational individualism in other ages too.

In the coming decades, the world will probably become far more complex than it is today. Individual humans will consequently know even less about the technological gadgets, the economic currents and the political dynamics that shape the world. How could we then vest authority in voters and customers who are so ignorant and susceptible to manipulation? If Sloman and Fernbach (S&F) are correct, providing future voters and customers with more and better facts would hardly solve the problem. So what’s the alternative? S&F don’t

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Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:16 PM

Your way out of your league kid. The only way you could ever hope to match wits with me is if I were to fall off the wagon.

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Thursday, April 20, 2017 3:59 PM

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Your way out of your league kid. The only way you could ever hope to match wits with me is if I were to fall off the wagon.

What We Do Best
https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/what-we-do-best/

“What Does Trump Really Want?” has become the great question of our time—the center of an entire cottage industry. Everything Trump says and tweets, no matter how trivial, is instantly transformed into an utterance of major import: fodder for endless, breathless speculation and feverish interpretation. To whom was he sending a message with that tweet? While we’re playing checkers, he’s playing 4-dimensional chess—what’s his next play? What Does Trump’s Refusal to Shake Angela Merkel’s Hand Reveal About His Foreign Policy? Are his desires really the desires of some Other (Putin, Bannon, and in recent days, Kushner)? One question underwrites and energizes all the takes and the commentary: what does Trump want from you? What does he want to call your attention to? What does he want to distract you from? The sheer intellectual labor given over to tracking Trump’s behavior, to say nothing of the amateur Trump Kremlinology, has been exhausting.

But now, at last, Trump has undertaken something familiar and understandable—even comforting—to 21st-century Americans: War. The particulars of this attack will be subjected to various hermeneutics of suspicion (why were the Russians informed beforehand?). Its broader geopolitical significance will provoke debate (what happens next?). And the coverage will fixate overwhelmingly on Trump himself. But even if in every substantive way the question of what Trump wants remains just as opaque the day after the strikes as it did the day before, the simple fact that the strikes occurred is decisive. He acted, and now, at last, we have clarity about what we’re supposed to do. And what we’re supposed to do is adopt a series of postures and justifications about what we feel we need to do, all of which presuppose as an unquestioned necessity the fact of war itself.

Fortunately, we have a lot of practice at this—it’s what we do best. In America the question has long since ceased to be whether or not we should go to war. Instead, we argue over how we go about maintaining and expanding an already endless landscape of wars. For many politicians, this means falling into fine-grained debates over the value of various targets, air strikes versus “boots on the ground,” the question of an “exit strategy,” and so forth. Democrats like Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi may express the requisite desire for congressional debate on the conduct of escalation going forward. But they cede any advantage and show their weak hand when they immediately cosign the strikes as “the right thing to do” and a “proportional response.” Republicans like Marco Rubio, for their part, can trot out familiar fearmongering about supposed threats to American soil, echoing Condoleeza Rice circa 2003, while John McCain can appeal to the legitimizing mandate of the 2001 AUMF. Dissenting figures like Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders may point to the disastrous legacy of past US interventions in the Middle East and challenge the constitutionality of the strikes, but their voices will simply offer light counterpoint to the backdrop of a broader symphony of jingoism, cowardice, resignation, and greed.

Media figures, for their part, have already begun to fall in line, too. Last month’s bipartisan yearning to anoint Trump’s horrific State of the Union congressional address as a sign of the President’s finally becoming “presidential” may have been temporarily frustrated by embarrassing news involving Jeff Sessions twenty-four hours later. But now pundits Left and Right can seize this nonpareil opportunity to proclaim Trump suddenly mature, demonstrate their own capacity to see the supposed bigger picture, or just marvel at the beauty of the American war machine. The belief that the office of commander in chief must necessarily activate reservoirs of responsibility and strength in

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Friday, April 21, 2017 1:22 AM

Well I wasn't talking to you Second, so I'm not sure why you quoted me before posting the rest of that. But I'll respond. Not for your sake, but for the sake of "The Future" that your posting to.

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Originally posted by SECOND:
It might seem ludicrous that only hours after many of us called Trump a Russian spy, a new Hitler, a feckless idiot, a psychopath, a sun-downing, pill-popping monster, we fell in line and rallied behind him and our troops because, after all, he is our President and Presidents lead and the troops must be supported. But we’ve done it all before—in 2001, again in 2003, and in too many other instances to count. War has become a given in American political life, and in the process it has become depoliticized. And thus the bitter irony: for all the many warnings to not “normalize” Trump lest we court disaster, it is his turn to war that will seal his normalization and mark our return to “normalcy,” even if it means ruin. Uncle Sam and Donald Trump do not demand that we wage wars for them; instead, for the sake of a return to normal, we need them to wage war for us.



One of the first smart things I've seen you post here Second, although I don't know where you actually lie on this.

Why has the MSM backed off of Trump when we went back to "normal" and went back to war?

The wars and the massive deficits were the reason I called GWB the worst president we ever had and then Obama came in and put Bush to shame by showing how good he could fuck it all up and everybody applauded him for it. Now that it looks like Trump might do the same, the media is falling in step.


Funny how you and T and G only leave a few token posts around here since the bombs too. Sure... I bet you still have a lot of anti-trump in you. You just have very little new stories to share since the Media is slowly leaving you and falling in step with our new Warlord in Chief.

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Friday, April 21, 2017 4:35 AM

Normalize Trump is a talking point of the HRC crowd, still pretending that he's a Hitler, abnormal, and a white supremacist, that the PC lingo for what you're not supposed to do with Nazis, meaning, don't talk to them or treat them like people. Or Trump, because he's one of them. Sorry, it's nonsense. Please, normalize Trump, he's pretty normal. Stop pretending he isn't. He's not perfect, in fact, very flawed, but not Hillary level of flawed. We've considered that genocidal loon "normal" for years.

Also, Second, don't pretend the war machine is not in your camp, because I'm looking around me, and that's what I see. You guys are the war machine. I did my best to explain this, and you're still beating the drum. If you want to talk Trump too warlike, we had a lot of threads on that and no one on the left ever came to any of them except a couple of posts from G.

I tire of the talking points and the stopped clock partisans. Trump. No War. Now try to keep Trump in No War, when everyone in Deep State, including HRC, are trying to make Trump=War Criminal, so they can both have the war they're yearning for and then run against it, and then not change course. This is exactly what the dems did with Obama. They demonized Bush, who was very evil, and then ran against the boogeyman, and then just expanded the war. almost immeasurably. But Trump seems to so far be none of what they, and you, say he is. He's no hero, but I could see this guy on the dem ticket, the old dem ticket, you know, that had Carter on it. I don't think it's that far off. I'm not on board, but it's what I might consider, I don't know, normal.

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Sunday, April 23, 2017 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Normalize Trump is a talking point of the HRC crowd, still pretending that he's a Hitler, abnormal, and a white supremacist, that the PC lingo for what you're not supposed to do with Nazis, meaning, don't talk to them or treat them like people. Or Trump, because he's one of them. Sorry, it's nonsense. Please, normalize Trump, he's pretty normal. Stop pretending he isn't. He's not perfect, in fact, very flawed, but not Hillary level of flawed. We've considered that genocidal loon "normal" for years.

I'll ignore the last two paragraphs of your comment that, removing your extra verbiage and your conspiracy theory, is more of the same old shit that the Democratic Party is no different than the GOP.

I'll hit Trump in the spot where he lives -- New York, and his boldest character trait that he cannot stop displaying -- his eternal lying. NYPD politely calls Trump a lying sack of nuts. The Police Commissioner has made it very plain and clear that Trump is NOT merely flawed. What Trump's Justice Department did is NOT normal. It is not about different values of Republicans and Democrats or the Deep State attempting to ruin Trump. It is about Trump lying his head off, nonstop, to people who don't live in NYC and therefore don't know Trump is lying about the City. I think Trump's lack of good character has infected the Federal departments working for him.



Statement from NYPD Police Commissioner O'Neill
http://nypdnews.com/2017/04/watch-mayor-bill-de-blasio-police-commissi
oner-oneill-host-press-conference
/

April 21, 2017

"The Justice Department's release this afternoon stating that New York City is somehow "soft on crime" and continues to see "gang murder after gang murder," demonstrates a willful disregard for the facts.

New York City is experiencing a steady decline in overall crime that includes major reductions in murder and shootings. In fact, 2016 saw the fewest shootings ever in New York City history since record keeping began. Year to date the City is down an additional 17% from last year's record low.

Since 1993, murder has decreased 82%, shootings have decreased 81%, and overall crime has decreased 76%. These are the facts.

Additionally, over the past year the NYPD has hosted dozens of other police departments from across the world to share our best practices of precision policing, which focuses on the most serious criminals."

Police Commissioner James P. O'Neill

Background data

1993:1,927 murders; 5,269 shooting incidents; 430,460 total index crimes

1994:1,582 murders; 4,411 shooting incidents; 377,466 total index crimes

2016: 335 murders; 998 shooting incidents; 101,716 total index crimes

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, April 23, 2017 4:25 AM

SECOND

You guys ARE the war machine.

Care to address that?




Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?


Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Sunday, April 23, 2017 4:30 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
SECOND

You guys ARE the war machine.



Agreed.

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