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Is Trump Nuts?

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6STRINGJOKER

Thursday, April 6, 2017 8:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
“When you look for a job, you can’t find it, and you give up,” he said, “you are now considered statistically employed.”

That would be a pretty silly way to calculate the unemployment rate, and, indeed, that is not how the unemployment rate is calculated. (More on this in a minute.)

That is, actually, pretty much exactly how the unemployment rate is calculated.

I've never heard of somebody in my position being called "statistically employed", but I have for quite some time not been considered "unemployed". Quibble over semantics if you must, but what he said is the truth here.

DREAMTROVE

Thursday, April 6, 2017 9:22 PM

Second,

It's in everything you post. Stop, look around you. You're missing it. You're marching to the beat of the war drums, and still think you're opposing the drummer? You are that drum. If that's not your intention, take a moment and re-examine your world.

You read media outlets. They report what? the Truth? Take a look.

Media operations are expensive corporate endeavors that are owned by extremely rich capitalists and serve to bring large audiences to advertisers. This is the process that made them wealthy capitalists. Advertising is the programming of captured minds. This is what pays the bills. How do we capture minds? <- this it the question the corporates and advertisers are asking. FOX's answer is miniskirts. The left's (CNN/Huff/MSNBC) answer is anger.

And anger turns to hate. Hate argues, and hate goes back for more information to back up its argument, and it needs to return to the trust sources that fed it the anger in the first place. And the cycle repeats. And why? To furnish the angry to the same corporate overlords that run FOX.

And who is the largest corporate overlord, the biggest capitalist of them all? War. War is the ultimate consumer. It destroys what it buys and then needs to buy more. It gets the money by invading people and taking what they have. Oh, in the old days of WWI+II it was simply, just take the oil. Now it's "install a leader who will sign our trade treaty that will allow us to steal what they have in peacetime." It's a war that can't lose. Because the real conquest happens after the war is over, before that, they can an endless number of retries. So there's only one thing that can go wrong.

And that's why they hate Trump. I'm not endorsing him, but it's real important to understand why they hate him. Don't just go back to the anger source, take a moment to really understand what's going on here.

They hate him because he scuttled the trade deals. He scuttled NAFTA, he's undermining the EU, he scuttled the WTO, he's abandoning most favored nation status. What happens instead? Nations work out their own trade deals. That's a disaster for the war machine. What use is it to invade Iraq, murder its people and govt. and install your own if the next person in office is not bound in chains to an international trade deal? He might just decide Iraq should sell its oil at a price they want to whomeever they want. That make the war pointless. It takes away the spoils. Without those spoils how can they pay for the next war?

This is how they work. They need outside money to pay for the war. If they spent their own nation's money, each repetition would by necessity by smaller, and the war machine would get progressively smaller and shrivel up. So, they must invade, and conquer, and then install a trade siphon so they can take the spoils when no one is looking.

And for all of this to happen, they need people to support it. No one would actually support it, so they need them to fear, and hate, and be angry. So, they have the media. It's an anger machine. It was created by Maximilian Robespierre for the purpose of spreading misinformation about the queen of France, with support from our own founding fathers, who wanted her gone because we owed her a billions of French Livres. Much cheaper just to kill her and install a puppet regime. That also gave us left-right politics. And, ultimately, Napoleon, aka, the war machine.

Robespierre's chief of police in Corsica might not have been what the enlightenment had in mind, but if Napoleon had ascended to the throne of France, no disaster would have followed. Napoleon is the result of the system that was installed. International finance, partisanship and the media drive the engine, which has remained the same ever since. Franco-Prussian War, World War I, World War II, the Cold War, and now Bush-Obama's massive Global War on Terror. Borrow money. Invade. Install a policy, more subtle with each rep

SECOND

Friday, April 7, 2017 5:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Second,

It's in everything you post. Stop, look around you. You're missing it. You're marching to the beat of the war drums, and still think you're opposing the drummer? You are that drum. If that's not your intention, take a moment and re-examine your world.

You read media outlets. They report what? the Truth? Take a look.

You wrote this before Trump fired 60 Cruise missiles at one Syrian airfield. That nice expenditure of money is exactly what the Military-Industrial Complex would admire about Trump. It proves the need to buy many, many more missiles. It is about the money. It is not about winning a war.

Trump called it a "targeted" attack on Syria and the Pentagon called it "proportional." What Trump did was ordinary. He's merely done the smallest, safest, most ordinary thing American presidents do in circumstances like this. It was precisely the kind of limited strike American presidents are addicted to when public opinion requires them to demonstrate anger over something or other, and it's precisely the language every president uses to describe them. Russia will issue a pro forma denunciation, and the Syrians will rebuild their airfield. In a couple of weeks it will all be forgotten. Except for the need to buy more and more missiles from the Military-Industrial Complex.

Each Tomahawk missile cost about $569,000 in 1999 dollars, according to the US Navy, -- equivalent to about $832,000 today.
www.cnn.com/2017/04/06/politics/tomahawk-missiles-explainer/

This would have cost the American taxpayer at least $49,088,000 (£39,353,000).
www.thesun.co.uk/news/3277606/tomahawk-cruise-missiles-syria-chemical-
attack-trump/

SECOND

Friday, April 7, 2017 6:02 PM

Trump’s $1 trillion infrastructure plan is vaporware that’s never going to happen.
Rambling nonsense is not a legislative strategy.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/6/15205032/trump-infrastructure
-plan

Trump’s knowledge of complex policy issues can sometimes be lacking.

And to the extent that that’s news, it’s the only actual news Trump made on infrastructure. His remarks make it clear that he doesn’t know anything about the substance of the issue or about the relevant congressional procedures. He doesn’t appear to be familiar with the related provisions of his own administration’s budget, and he isn’t putting in the time to lay the political groundwork for any legislation. The trillion-dollar infrastructure plan doesn’t exist except as a line of rhetoric.

It’s pure vaporware, and unless something dramatic changes to the overall structure of the administration, it always will be.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SECOND

Friday, April 7, 2017 7:39 PM

Where is your tax plan, Trump?
www.vox.com/2017/4/7/15208466/trump-tax-reform-plan

The White House wants to lead on tax reform — it just needs a tax reform plan first. Other than a plan and a strategy, they have everything.

One reason presidents traditionally try to develop campaign promises that make some kind of sense is that referring back to what was promised in the campaign is a useful way of getting everyone on the same page. Nobody winds up implementing everything that they pledged, but the pledges are a useful focusing device and serve as a starting point.

Trump’s campaign promises on taxes, however, were contradictory, extreme, and not doable through the budget reconciliation process. Gary Cohn, the top economic policy official in the White House, played no role in crafting them.

And Trump himself never seemed to be able to state clearly what the plan was. This worked surprisingly well for him as a candidate, but as a president it’s left the ship without a compass. The chief executive himself seems unwilling or unable to intervene and clarify which direction he wants to go.

Is Trump nuts? Or is he politically astute and shrewd? Nuts is what it is.

DREAMTROVE

Friday, April 7, 2017 8:28 PM

Second,

Okay, that's a vote for war. Yes, it's the minimum possible because he doesn't want the war, but now Putin has to do something.

accurate except the bogus info on chemical attacks. What I just said to Jo

Quote:

Deep State: Obey the PNAC plan
Trump: Nah, Assad can stay
Immediately: chemical attack * obvious false flag
Russia: it was us, (probably false narrative)
Deep State: Trump has to do something or he's out
McCain: Trump needs to do something or he's out (probably bait)
Trump: Vlad, sorry, I gotta do something
Putin: Bashir, he's going to do this
Assad: Empty the base
Trump: Bombs away
Putin: Don't intercept, don't respond
Putin: American imperialist aggressor (obvious false narrative)
McCain: Trump is a hero, not a Russian troll (obvious false narrative)
Trump: That was the base that did the attack (obvious false narrative)

* The attack almost certainly went down like this: Deep State to HRC: we need that UN authorization, Assad needs to be blamed for a chemical attack. HRC to ISIS I'm still your commander, attack and make it look like Assad. ISIS: Die everyone! Assad: Uh Oh. Putin: Uh Oh. Trump: Uh Oh. Deep State: Wahoo!

I see Nick is all in for war. Guns to Ukraine? I doubt it's going to happen. Would be a total disaster if it did.

SECOND

Friday, April 7, 2017 8:41 PM

While it was no doubt prudent for Trump to minimize the number of people killed in the attack, letting Syria know that the strike was coming represents a significant departure from Trump’s own campaign rhetoric. At rally after rally before he was president, and in debates against Hillary Clinton, Trump repeatedly called for surprise attacks and mocked the U.S. military and its Iraqi allies for giving advance notice of a planned offensive against Islamic State fighters to retake the city of Mosul in Iraq.

Pressed on the idea that he did not understand military strategy in an interview just before the election, Trump vowed to teach military experts a thing or two.

“Whatever happened to the element of surprise?” Trump asked in a September debate. “Douglas MacArthur, George Patton, spinning in their graves when they see the stupidity of our country.”

Was Trump nuts while he was campaigning? Or is he now suddenly prudent? Or was the prudence of warning Russia (and Russia warning Syria of a planned Tomahawk cruise missile attack) all supplied by the Pentagon? We will never know until the biographical books on Trump are published with their contradictory claims. Oh, I just realized we won't know then, either, will we?

https://theintercept.com/2017/04/07/trump-surrenders-element-surprise-
warning-russia-planned-strike-ally-syria/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JO753

Friday, April 7, 2017 9:11 PM

Exellent appraizal by Paul Krugman:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/opinion/the-bad-the-worse-and-the-u
gly.html?ribbon-ad-idx=9&src=trending&module=Ribbon&version=context®ion=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Trending&pgtype=article

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SECOND

Saturday, April 8, 2017 1:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Exellent appraizal by Paul Krugman:

The most revealing thing in the interview may be Mr. Trump’s defense of Bill O’Reilly, accused of sexual predation and abuse of power: “He’s a good person.” This, I’d argue, tells us more about both the man from Mar-a-Lago and the motivations of his base than his ramblings about infrastructure and trade.

One thing down-on-their-luck rural whites often say is that Mr. Trump is honest, that he tells it like it is. In other words, Mr. Trump is, arguably, less hypocritical about the darker motives underlying his worldview than conventional politicians are.

Hence the affinity for Mr. O’Reilly, and Mr. Trump’s apparent sense that news reports about the TV host’s actions are an indirect attack on him. One way to think about Fox News in general, and Mr. O’Reilly in particular, is that they provide a safe space for people who want an affirmation that their uglier impulses are, in fact, justified and perfectly O.K. And one way to think about the Trump White House is that it’s attempting to expand that safe space to include the nation as a whole.

And the big question about Trumpism — bigger, arguably, than the legislative agenda — is whether unapologetic ugliness is a winning political strategy. If it is not a winner, than Trump is nuts to defend O’Reilly.
www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/07/bill-oreillys-advert
iser-exodus-is-even-worse-than-it-looks/?utm_term=.0fae8abd3146

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6STRINGJOKER

Saturday, April 8, 2017 1:34 AM

lol... that's rich Second.

Republicans want safe spaces from Liberal SJW safe spaces now.