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Is Trump Nuts?

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Thursday, April 6, 2017 3:05 AM

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So far the man has been crushed by the job. Until Bannon actually leaves I won't have faith Trump is learning from his mistakes. And as for his promise of a no fly zone in Syria, another lie. I think the recent gassing of children may force him into taking some sort of action.


I agree on Bannon. Whether Trump has a no fly zone is now dependent on Russia, because regardless of what people think of it politically, they are now are allies, which means American soldiers are fighting along side Russians, and in such a situation, you need your partner's permission. I suppose the Russians will weigh this on how many planes they have vs. ISIS. A no fly zone over ISIS-controled itself is more likely.

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Thursday, April 6, 2017 4:30 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
So far the man has been crushed by the job. Until Bannon actually leaves I won't have faith Trump is learning from his mistakes. And as for his promise of a no fly zone in Syria, another lie. I think the recent gassing of children may force him into taking some sort of action.


I agree on Bannon. Whether Trump has a no fly zone is now dependent on Russia, because regardless of what people think of it politically, they are now are allies, which means American soldiers are fighting along side Russians, and in such a situation, you need your partner's permission. I suppose the Russians will weigh this on how many planes they have vs. ISIS. A no fly zone over ISIS-controled itself is more likely.



Bullshit, we are not allies or anything close to it with Russia. Your fearless leader tried spreading that crap before. When his propaganda machine suggested we went on a bombing run together. Our generals immediately dispelled that as false.

The pressure on Trump to distance himself from Putin has been to date, intense. Watch what happens now.





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Thursday, April 6, 2017 4:34 AM

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So now he's actually found a way to be wrong by not listening to himself. It's like automatic with him. He's like the George Costanza of presidents.









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Thursday, April 6, 2017 4:35 AM

I can only hope he gets this right.

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I think the recent gassing of children may force him into taking some sort of action.

No reason to believe Trump will think of something sensible that will last long term. I believe he will do whatever feels best for Trump at this moment, not permanently solve a longstanding international problem. On 23 April 2016, the United Nations and Arab League Envoy to Syria put out an estimate of 400,000 that had died in the war. The death toll from yesterday's suspected chemical attack currently stands at 72, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights and is expected to rise.

This has happened before in Syria. I don't think Trump ever gave chemical weapons in Syria any thought before today, since he is more an improviser than a historian:

Haunting images of lifeless children piled in heaps reflected the magnitude of the attack, which was reminiscent of a 2013 chemical assault that left hundreds dead and was the worst in the country’s six-year conflict.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/3265208/syria-sarin-gas-massacre-dad-holds-dead-
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly







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Thursday, April 6, 2017 5:38 AM

Trump surrounds himself with people who disagree with him. It's one leadership style, and it's the one he's chosen. So, that, and his family and team, will be the decision making process.

My thought would be to accept the Russian self blame, whether it's true or not, and use it to tell them they can't attack targets by air. Then send an elite team of marines behind enemy lines into ISIS territory, to seize the chemical weapons and transport them back to a place where they can safely be destroyed.

That might've sounded a little JSF of me, but it would be the minimum civilian casualty solution, and require some big damn heroes.

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Thursday, April 6, 2017 6:12 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
I can only hope he gets this right.

Getting to "right" is not in Trump's bag of mental tricks. Trump is a short-term tactical thinker, not a long-term policy maker bringing peace to the Middle East. Remember that just days ago, Trump announced that the U.S. no longer had any problem with the regime of Syrian president, and Russian ally, Bashar Assad then Assad dropped sarin bombs.

Trump’s latest New York Times interview is a perfect example of his phony war with the press. It is typical of Trump's mind's inner workings.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/5/15194056/trump-war-media

If you read the article, you will see in precise detail how both Trump and NYTimes are having a pro wrestling–style show feud for their mutual benefit. The MSM has used the pretense of conflict with the Trump administration as a marketing gimmick. Read our newspapers, watch our shows, make us richer while you see and hear more Trump. But why has Trump been very willing to give big newspaper and television networks the exclusive interviews they crave? What does he get in exchange for his trouble?

What matters to Trump isn’t any actual crushing of the media, but simply driving the narrative in his core followers’ heads that the media is at war with him. With that pretense in place, critical coverage and unflattering facts can be dismissed even as Trump selectively courts the press to inject his own preferred ideas into the mainstream.

Trump’s tactic is not that nutty. It looks like this: “I think it’s going to be the biggest story,” Mr. Trump said in an interview in the Oval Office, declining repeated requests for evidence for his allegations or the names of other Obama administration officials. “It’s such an important story for our country and the world. It is one of the big stories of our time.” He declined to say if he had personally reviewed new intelligence to bolster his claim but pledged to explain himself “at the right time.” The right time never comes.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, April 6, 2017 6:26 PM

So far the list of presidents in the last century who have tried to buck the Military Industrial complex consists of Eisenhower, Trump. (possibly Ford, except he installed a lot of them into power.) I'm not sure where the haters are coming from, unless 1kiki is right.

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Thursday, April 6, 2017 7:02 PM

This will have to go under "Is Trump Nuts?" because it shows how functionally sane Trump's election tactics were.
https://theintercept.com/2017/04/06/top-democrats-are-wrong-trump-supp
orters-were-more-motivated-by-racism-than-economic-issues
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. . . on the very same day that Bernie Sanders offered his evidence-free defense of Trump voters in Boston, the latest data from the American National Election Studies (ANES) was released.

Philip Klinkner, a political scientist at Hamilton College and an expert on race relations, has pored over this ANES data and tells me that “whether it’s good politics to say so or not, the evidence from the 2016 election is very clear that attitudes about blacks, immigrants, and Muslims were a key component of Trump’s appeal.” For example, he says, “in 2016 Trump did worse than Mitt Romney among voters with low and moderate levels of racial resentment, but much better among those with high levels of resentment.”

The new ANES data only confirms what a plethora of studies have told us since the start of the presidential campaign: the race was about race. Klinkner himself grabbed headlines last summer when he revealed that the best way to identify a Trump supporter in the U.S. was to ask “just one simple question: is Barack Obama a Muslim?” Because, he said, “if they are white and the answer is yes, 89 percent of the time that person will have a higher opinion of Trump than Clinton.” This is economic anxiety? Really?

Other surveys and polls of Trump voters found “a strong relationship between anti-black attitudes and support for Trump”; Trump supporters being “more likely to describe African Americans as ‘criminal,’ ‘unintelligent,’ ‘lazy’ and ‘violent’”; more likely to believe “people of color are taking white jobs”; and a “majority” of them rating blacks “as less evolved than whites.” Sorry, but how can any of these prejudices be blamed on free trade or low wages?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, April 6, 2017 7:10 PM

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So far the list of presidents in the last century who have tried to buck the Military Industrial complex consists of Eisenhower, Trump. (possibly Ford, except he installed a lot of them into power.) I'm not sure where the haters are coming from, unless 1kiki is right.

What did Trump do to get on this list with Eisenhower? I know what Eisenhower did: he gave his Military-Industrial Complex Speech three days before leaving the White House, which was eight years too late. But what did Trump do? So far he has asked for an increase in Military-Industrial Complex spending. Anything else Trump has done?
http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, April 6, 2017 7:53 PM

What Donald Trump gets wrong (and right) about the unemployment rate
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/6/15181898/trump-unemployment-r
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Trump being very sensible and nutty at the same time (if only he could keep those two ingredients separated, never mixing them together. Is that too much to hope for? ):

During the campaign, Trump generally referred to the unemployment rate as “rigged” or even “totally fake.” Since taking office, his administration has grown more friendly to citing the official numbers, even though the rate has remained largely unchanged for months.

Still, Trump continues to have his doubts, and speaking Tuesday morning at a White House town hall for CEOs, he managed to completely mis-explain how the unemployment rate works.

“When you look for a job, you can’t find it, and you give up,” he said, “you are now considered statistically employed.”

That would be a pretty silly way to calculate the unemployment rate, and, indeed, that is not how the unemployment rate is calculated. (More on this in a minute.)

At the same time, Trump is speaking to a bigger truth when he says the unemployment rate may offer a distorted view of the labor market, and his opinion that the current numbers somewhat overstate the health of the economy has some real basis. . . .

One reason Trump’s skepticism about unemployment rates resonates with people is that if you abstract away from the details, it is basically true that the 4.7 percent unemployment rate in March 2017 reflects an economy that is substantially weaker than the 4.7 percent unemployment rate of December 1997. Older people, especially, who were actually in the workforce 20 years ago probably recognize this on an instinctive level, even if they can no more explain the nature of the deterioration than Trump can.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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