Voter fraud - American election vastly corrupted
POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Monday, January 27, 2025 00:47
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You know, for some reason this doesn't jive with me. I think it's because there were SEVERAL web sites that had jokes about this. The Bush button would stay in one spot and the Kerry would move around if you tried to click it. Then, you'd finally get to click on it and it would count it as a Bush vote..... Yeah, ok. Anyhow, one lone lady has a problem voting where it would do that. If that did it to me, I would walk to the people running the polling place and tell them to give me another machine. If it still didn't work, I would ask for a paper ballot. If she were stupid enough not to pursue getting it corrected while she was there, then her vote doesn't count. I have no pity for those too lazy to do anything when it matters the most. But, if it did have issues and they didn't listen to her, THEN there would be a problem, but, for some reason I have the feeling that she kept hitting the wrong button.
do you really think it was just one lady who this happened to, I used her as an example because I saw it with my own eyes.. Please before you speak on these topics and call people lazy..at least do a little research ..its not that hard the fraud was rampant..the machines were built by (crackers)
No she didn't hit the wrong button
the machines are designed to eat the Democratic vote..and it wasn't just this election..
Once again Ignorance is running rampant..please even if you still choose to stay ingnorant..at least know of what your talking about before you post!!
ask yourself this question ask yourself is having Bush win the election even by fradulant means more important then democracy
if winning no matter what the cost even your own freedoms is more important to you..then by all means continue to spout ingnorance
if you love corporations and don't mind them controlling your government then continue to do what you do!!
even if you don't believe that the election was stolen and the fact that this is even an issue should concern you as a freedom loving American
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I really don't think that I was being ignorant, and I didn't call her lazy. I said that if she accepted it without doing anything about it, THEN she was lazy. You saw it, ok, then first hand witness is a little differant. From how you stated what you said, it sounded more like you HEARD of a lady that had the problem, and I am more inclined to say that if you didn't see it that it is possible that she was at fault. Anyhow, machines do have issues, and software programs do have bugs. Now, there is a chance that there was an issue there, but have you done anything about it? Did she? I'm not saying I don't care, I am trying to make sure that IF there was an issue, that someone did something to cause votes not to be counted, then someone needs to do something ABOUT it. Not just sit here and type and bash people because they didn't follow what you typed. I was only saying she was lazy IF she didn't do anything about it (which, you have to admit that you didn't say if she had or not). And, to
Quote:I didn't vote for Bush. Nor did I vote for Kerry. I voted for somebody whom I thought was good for the job, not the boob in office or the puppet that challenged him. That being said, I still haven't seen anything that would say that Bush didn't win because he got the most votes. Were there issues with how the votes were counted and some voter fraud? Of course. But was it enough to change the outcome of the election? Not from where I am standing, and I'm not on either side.
ask yourself this question ask yourself is having Bush win the election even by fradulant means more important then democracy
As an informed voter, you have a right, and a responsibility, to make sure that your vote was counted correctly. If the machine was not taking votes correctly, it should have been taken off of the floor and not used. Period. If ANYONE used that machine after that lady couldn't enter her vote, she IS lazy because she didn't force the issue. I know that if the other 200 people in line at the time would have known that they couldn't vote correctly from that polling station, they would not have agreed to voting with it! They would have made a fuss over it and they would have HAD to take paper votes. Call the voter hotline thing, throw a fit, do SOMETHING. That was what I was saying. If she did that, GOOD FOR HER!!! If not, SHAME ON HER!!!!
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^^^ ? It's not some old ladies responsibility to make sure American voter laws aren't corrupted. Really. Sheesh, you are ignorant. Shut up!
Anyho'
The news is getting out. Ghoulman is right again... of course.
Slashdot.org has created a thread with some terrific links about this latest stolen US election. I'd like to use this opportunity to say I TOLD YA SO MORONS! lol! 
2004 Election Weirdness Continues
http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/08/1910250&tid=103&t
id=219
Posted by CmdrTaco on Monday November 08, @02:59PM
from the stuff-to-think-about dept.
I've read dozens of submissions about election anomolies in the last week and they show no sign of slowing so I've decided to post a few of the main ones here to let you all discuss them. The first is the Common Dreams report that shows that optically scanned votes have a strange anomoly in florida: the Diebold counties roughly matched up to party registration numbers, but optically scanned paper ballot counties showed strangeness like one county where 69.3% registered democrat, but only 28% of them voted for Kerry. Palm Beach County, Florida logged 88,000 more votes than there were voters; that machines in LaPorte, Michigan discounted 50,000 voters; in Columbus, Ohio voting machines gave Bush an extra 4,000 votes; in Broward County, Florida voting machines were counting backwards; Lastly, precincts in New Mexico gave provisional ballots that will never be counted to as many as 10% of all their voters.
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Truthout.org picked up that Florida "optical scan"
voting fraud story. Go there to get a complete
run-down of WHY optical-scan voting systems are
likely to have been "hacked."
An excerpt:
The State of Florida, for example, publishes a county-by-county record of votes cast and people registered to vote by party affiliation. Net denizen Kathy Dopp compiled the official state information into a table, available at http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm, and noticed something startling.
While the heavily scrutinized touch-screen voting machines seemed to produce results in which the registered Democrat/Republican ratios largely matched the Kerry/Bush vote, in Florida's counties using results from optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking - the results seem to contain substantial anomalies.
In Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the opposite of what is seen everywhere else in the country where registered Democrats largely voted for Kerry.
In Dixie County, with 4,988 registered voters, 77.5% of them Democrats and a mere 15% registered as Republicans, only 1,959 people voted for Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush.
The pattern repeats over and over again - but only in the counties where optical scanners were used. Franklin County, 77.3% registered Democrats, went 58.5% for Bush. Holmes County, 72.7% registered Democrats, went 77.25% for Bush.
Yet in the touch-screen counties, where investigators may have been more vigorously looking for such anomalies, high percentages of registered Democrats generally equaled high percentages of votes for Kerry. (I had earlier reported that county size was a variable - this turns out not to be the case. Just the use of touch-screens versus optical scanners.)
More visual analysis of the results can be seen at http://us together.org/election04/FloridaDataStats.htm, and www.rubberbug.com/temp/Florida2004chart.htm. Note the trend line - the only variable that determines a swing toward Bush was the use of optical scan machines.
One possible explanation for this is the "Dixiecrat" theory, that in Florida white voters (particularly the rural ones) have been registered as Democrats for years, but voting Republican since Reagan. Looking at the 2000 statistics, also available on Dopp's site, there are similar anomalies, although the trends are not as strong as in 2004. But some suggest the 2000 election may have been questionable in Florida, too.
One of the people involved in Dopp's analysis noted that it may be possible to determine the validity of the "rural Democrat" theory by comparing Florida's white rural counties to those of Pennsylvania, another swing state but one that went for Kerry, as the exit polls there predicted. Interestingly, the Pennsylvania analysis, available at http://ustogether.org/election04/PA_vote_patt.htm, doesn't show the same kind of swings as does Florida, lending credence to the possibility of problems in Florida.
Even more significantly, Dopp had first run the analysis while filtering out smaller (rural) counties, and still found that the only variable that accounted for a swing toward Republican voting was the use of optical-scan machines, whereas counties with touch-screen machines generally didn't swing - regardless of size.
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Besides the media has been extremly anti-bush for a while now.
Why do people believe this?
(It's a rhetorical question, I'll answer it.)
Because it's their ox being gored. That's why.
Anyone who thinks the media is anti-Bush probably had the gut reaction that the media was also pro-Clinton.
Which is a viewpoint so deluded as to impinge on insanity. Which shouldn't surprise me, as the notion of voting for Clinton or Bush is also, in my opinion, quite mad.
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does this article sway any of the conspiracy theorists here???
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=239735&page=1
Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.
BarnStormer
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You Americans blah-blah-blah there's fraud yadda-yadda-yadda, because Kerry yak-yak-yak but Bush is blah-blah-blah we here in Canada whine-whine-whine to go with our cheese yadda-yadda-yadda bunch of facsists badda-bing-badda-bang but in Canada bitch-bitch-bitch.
Bush won, Kerry didn't (unless conspiracy theories are right blah-blah-blah). Deal with it. Get on with your real lives, if you have one yadda-yadda-yadda.
By the way, when's Serenity premiering again? :-P
Everyone dies alone.
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lol! 
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Originally posted by BarnStormer:
does this article sway any of the conspiracy theorists here???
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=239735&page=1
Brill post! Nice work and it's a perfect counter point to the discussion here! You rock, really.
I'm aware that the mainstream media is scared, such as last night when Tom Brokaw refered to the stories about election fraud as "conspiracy theories" as if he wasn't reading from a script.
Let's keep in mind the mainstream media is the centre arm of the Corporate support for Bush/Cheney.
Last night Tom quoted this guy as this article does...
Doug Chapin, a nonpartisan election analyst, finds the claims to be baseless. "There were no problems that would lead me to believe that there were stolen elections or widespread fraud," he said.
Doug Chapin runs electiononline.org which is independant and run thanks to a grant at Richmond University.
But even Doug's website has a list of stories coming out about voter fraud. Now, how many stories must there be before it's a problem?
One! Stupid!
And that's why it's obvious there is corruption regarding the election. There should not be any story because under the law of the United States of America EACH VOTE IS COUNTED... or else.
So where is the "or else"?
Not on Tom Brokaws' show. Which is his job btw.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:Quote:
Originally posted by BarnStormer:
does this article sway any of the conspiracy theorists here???
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=239735&page=1
Brill post! Nice work and it's a perfect counter point to the discussion here! You rock, really.
I'm aware that the mainstream media is scared, such as last night when Tom Brokaw refered to the stories about election fraud as "conspiracy theories" as if he wasn't reading from a script.
Let's keep in mind the mainstream media is the centre arm of the Corporate support for Bush/Cheney.
Last night Tom quoted this guy as this article does...
Doug Chapin, a nonpartisan election analyst, finds the claims to be baseless. "There were no problems that would lead me to believe that there were stolen elections or widespread fraud," he said.
Doug Chapin runs electiononline.org which is independant and run thanks to a grant at Richmond University.
But even Doug's website has a list of stories coming out about voter fraud. Now, how many stories must there be before it's a problem?
One! Stupid!
And that's why it's obvious there is corruption regarding the election. There should not be any story because under the law of the United States of America EACH VOTE IS COUNTED... or else.
So where is the "or else"?
Not on Tom Brokaws' show. Which is his job btw.
ROFLOL
Yep....Spoken like a true conspiracy theorist (aka Nut Job).
Ghoulboy, you are sooooo predictable. You are one of four posters on this board who I just knew would respond to this post in just this way.
Any new source or analyst you don't quote yourself is obviously on the take from the right wing republican bushie stormtroopers.
And then you of course have to throw in the obligatory insult (ie One! Stupid!)
I posted this just to bait you Ghoulboy. Had fun doing it to. It's kind of funny to read your responses that get more and more indignant and angry as time goes on.
You and your ridiculous conspiracy theories make it kind of like watching unaired episodes of the X-files right here on my PC!!!!!
Fun, Fun, Fun.
Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.
BarnStormer
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