Voter fraud - American election vastly corrupted
POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Monday, January 27, 2025 00:47
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Wasn't there bitching about people who were "forced" to produce ID?
Now there is bitching about people who were free not to show them?
Which way do you want it?
Here where I vote, you have to show proof that you are registered & eligible to vote, also that you are who you say you are. Then they check your name off the roster and you can't vote again (that is more than once).
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What am I on? It's called reality. I live in the heartland of America, in that great state that that reporter said "voted for Kerry", Ohio. I am surprised that Kerry got as many votes as he did. I have relatives and friends across the state, and no where (except Cleveland) were there anywhere near as many Kerry signs as there were Bush signs. I have a whopping total of 12 people that I personally can vouch for that I know voted for Kerry. EVERY single person I know otherwise voted for Bush (or like myself, for somebody other than those two). So, if the rest of the state were like all of the people I know, Bush would have won the state with more than 80% of the votes.
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The parliamentarian noted that primarily he was shocked by the fact that U.S. citizens do not produce any ID as they come to polling stations. “It is enough to say ’I am Mr. Smith,’ and he is allowed to vote; the same person can exit one polling station and go to another and vote again using the same procedure,” the Russian MP said.
This is not exactly true. You have to be registered in a precinct to be able to vote. You cannot just walk in and be able to do so. Also, they have your signature on file, and if your signature does not match, then they ask for an ID. This process is not just one night! To register, you actually have to physically live in the precinct that you live in. There are times when there are issues with that process, but it really is difficult to get away with voter fraud (from the voters prospective) here.
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“Often people simply do not understand how to vote and nobody really tries to explain it to them,” the observer said.
Now, honestly, who's fault is this? There are pamphlets, papers, websites, TV commercials and you can even call the local election board to figure out how to vote. I think I said it earlier, if you don't care enough to understand what you are doing, why should anyone care if you don't do it correctly?
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
The parliamentarian noted that primarily he was shocked by the fact that U.S. citizens do not produce any ID as they come to polling stations. “It is enough to say ’I am Mr. Smith,’ and he is allowed to vote; the same person can exit one polling station and go to another and vote again using the same procedure,” the Russian MP said.
Not where I voted, in Virginia. Picture ID required and name checked against the registered voter list. Also had to tell them your address, which they checked against the list. A Republican and a Democratic poll watcher were sitting behind every table closely monitoring the entire process.
Anybody run into this anywhere else?
Also note the wikipedia info on the Liberal Democratic Party.
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The Liberal Democratic Party of Russia is an extreme right-wing political party in Russia. It has been led by Vladimir Zhirinovsky since its founding in 1990, as the Liberal Democratic Party of the Soviet Union. Policies include the re-annexation of the Soviet Republics, defaulting on all external loans, and the abolition of Russia's federal system in place of 15 provinces with appointed governors.
Guess even Dubya isn't right-wing enough for them.
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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
Wasn't there bitching about people who were "forced" to produce ID?
Now there is bitching about people who were free not to show them?
Which way do you want it?
If people are bitching about that they are simpletons. Also, I found no story like that one so it's news to me. Feel free to post any stories you find though.
Of course, I've been known to take on articles posted here more than once and easily demonstrate thier lies. So choose carefully.
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Ghouly, you take our media WAY too seriously. Who cares about articles about what people pretend to know?? There are no articles about people bitching about having to show ID, but there are people who WERE bitching about having to show ID! Just because it wasn't in an article doesn't mean it didn't happen. I live right in the thick of it, and it happened. You only see what the media WANTS you to see, not necessarily what happens. I stood in line for 45 minutes to vote, because the polling people were ensuring that the people who were coming through the line were who they said that they were! Why go to the media, you have a LOT of REAL people who actually EXPERIENCED this process and we are telling you it's not as bad as it's made out to be!
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Originally posted by Geezer:
SNIP!!!
Also note the wikipedia info on the Liberal Democratic Party.
The Liberal Democratic Party of Russia is an extreme right-wing political party in Russia. It has been led by Vladimir Zhirinovsky since its founding in 1990, as the Liberal Democratic Party of the Soviet Union. Policies include the re-annexation of the Soviet Republics, defaulting on all external loans, and the abolition of Russia's federal system in place of 15 provinces with appointed governors.
Guess even Dubya isn't right-wing enough for them.
That Wikipedia is crap, I won't accept information from a website created by submissions. Where is the profesional? The Editor? There ain't none!
Having said that, the Russian Liberal Democratic Party is a nutty bunch. Geezer is quite right.
It's the only comment from an international observer of the US election I could find! Can't even find the Canadian observers comments anywhere. Guess the Right Wing Corporate propoganda in Canada is still working (*looks over shoulder*) .... yep, still there.
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Originally posted by Bojesphob:
Ghouly, you take our media WAY too seriously. Who cares about articles about what people pretend to know?? There are no articles about people bitching about having to show ID, but there are people who WERE bitching about having to show ID! Just because it wasn't in an article doesn't mean it didn't happen. I live right in the thick of it, and it happened. You only see what the media WANTS you to see, not necessarily what happens. I stood in line for 45 minutes to vote, because the polling people were ensuring that the people who were coming through the line were who they said that they were! Why go to the media, you have a LOT of REAL people who actually EXPERIENCED this process and we are telling you it's not as bad as it's made out to be!
Actually - it's the English media. Who you may take more seriously than the American "Corporate Media".
Anyho'...
A lot of really respected and well researched articles and essays are written. It's true it's difficult to determine which ones are "truthful" and which ones are not.
You can never know 100% of the time, but you can decide for yourself if the information is true. There are sources of news that are trustworthy and they are called journalists.
Check who the writer is - Is the writer a flake or a respected professional?
Check footnotes/sources - if the article doesn't quote people or show the origin of facts and just spews an opinion you can bet it's a lie or, at least, merely an opinion.
It isn't popular in the USA, but around the world actual JOURNALISM is taken very seriously. There are people commited to the pursuit of the truth. This should be in stark contrast to the trend in the USA for people to simply sit in front of a camera all day spitting out the Republican morning "fact sheet".
Someone like Robert Novak (Washington Post) who not only refuses to speak even the smallest truth about Bush/Cheney but is a traitor who recently revealed the identity of a CIA agent in a fascistic effort to support Bush.
SO I can reject everything from Novak as he has proved himself to be a sleazy liar. Same for Christopher Hitchens.
So it's a matter of figuring who the information comes from, do you trust them, are thier sources reasonable, and do they have quotes from people who actually know/were there. Once you have these you can safely go on to form an opinion. I also recommend not forming a complete opinion on a subject unless you have seen this information/story confirmed from at least three different independant sources.
Such as Micheal Moores F9/11 - I can say it's truthful because Mike has not lied to me before and has impressed me with his work. F9/11 won the most prestigious prize a film can win - Cannes Palm D'Ore. And most importantly, Moores accusations about the Saudi/Bush connections I've seen on Canadian TV, European docs, and those before I saw F9/11. So when I finally saw F9/11 I wasn't surprised and I was comfortable believing it to be accurate.
Thanks for asking.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
SNIP!!!
Also note the wikipedia info on the Liberal Democratic Party.
The Liberal Democratic Party of Russia is an extreme right-wing political party in Russia. It has been led by Vladimir Zhirinovsky since its founding in 1990, as the Liberal Democratic Party of the Soviet Union. Policies include the re-annexation of the Soviet Republics, defaulting on all external loans, and the abolition of Russia's federal system in place of 15 provinces with appointed governors.
Guess even Dubya isn't right-wing enough for them.
That Wikipedia is crap, I won't accept information from a website created by submissions. Where is the profesional? The Editor? There ain't none!
Having said that, the Russian Liberal Democratic Party is a nutty bunch. Geezer is quite right.
It's the only comment from an international observer of the US election I could find! Can't even find the Canadian observers comments anywhere. Guess the Right Wing Corporate propoganda in Canada is still working (*looks over shoulder*) .... yep, still there.
Jesus Christ, what a bunch of left wing wack job whiners.
Bush won the f*cking election.
No conspiracy
No Evil Empire
GET OVER IT!!!!!!!
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You want proof of voting fraud, that would, indeed, swing the election? Go here, NOW:
whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/exit_poll.gif
(Sorry. Don't know how to post a link.)
Just add a "www" to that, or paste it into your bar. Most browsers automatically add the needed stuff.
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