Voter fraud - American election vastly corrupted
POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Monday, January 27, 2025 00:47
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When you can come up with some hard evidence of ANYTHING Ghoul, get back to us. Sheesh.
I can tell you one true story though, I was harrassed at a poll in Cedar Rapids, Iowa by Moveon.org for having a Bush/Cheney sticker on my car. AT THE DAMN POLL. That is against the law, by the way.
Cops called, moveon movedout.
-Scorp
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Originally posted by Zeek:
Sorry but I'm a non-believer. Conspiracy theories have never done it for me. I'm a the simplest answer is probably the correct one type of guy.
Besides the media has been extremly anti-bush for a while now. Do you really believe they would cover up a voter scandal if it really existed? Or are they in on it too. Is there a way we can fit the aligators in the sewers of new york into the theory cause that would just be cool.
what conspircy theory???
the Diebold Machines do exsit they were use they don't leave any paper trails and they are owned by 4 corporations that are really one and the same and they have direct ties to the Bush administration
the maker of one of the machines in Ohio said that he was going to personally deliver the 20 votes Bush needed to win...
the fraud is not made up... it was even on t.v where most people get their news where this woman kept selecting Kerry and it would choose Bush
so their is no conspiracy theories..its very real and very factual!!
why do you think they insisted that the machines didn't leave a paper trail..
I understand its very hard for some people to believe that their governmant espeically one they supported is deceiving them and turning facist, but if you turn a blind eye your carving out your on path to hell!!
at least check into it..
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Originally posted by Radhil:Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Um. You seemed to say I'd stolen my "opinion" from some blog somewhere. I was just defending myself. Sorry if you misunderstood. No, I don't know you and I didn't imply you don't care about America.
Is there something you want to show me that sounds like what I wrote? Please, feel free to post it. Remember - finding a blog that sounds like the rantings of some dumb ass Canuck on some island somewhere isn't going to be easy.
Probably not. I *did* say you'd stolen your opinion from somewhere, but only because it seems to be the fashionable thing to do these days - to read something, and then parade it about as true. If the Internet says it, it must be true, after all.
I'm tired of posting links noone reads. You're completely right, it's merely my humble opinion here.
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I don't have some example for you - I've simply seen quite a lot of conspiracy theories. And only theories. Yours is certainly a bit more colorful, better written, but still that. A rant with not much more than it's loudness to carry it. A few facts and name drops to spice it up. Not meaning to be offensive there, but that's what I see.Quote:
And it's true... there isn't corruption in our elections. No messing with the votes. This is not difficult to accomplish yet you insist it is.
It isn't.
Not just in my opinion, but the opinion of Canadians. And Elections Canada is a federal body that covers the entire nation, this keeps provincial politics out of the mix.
You seem to have a healthy fear of three corporate companies controlling... "something" about our elections... and yet there's only one entity that controls yours. Interesting.
All right. I bite. How exactly does this Elections Canada control things? What's the trick to eliminating biases? Who heads it up?
Elections Canada - http://www.elections.ca/home.asp?textonly=false
They are autonomous.
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And it's far, far, from over. Just because the Media declares it's over doesn't mean the people who voted are satisfied with the whole fiasco. I predict you WILL hear a lot about this in the months to come. And fraud will be what you hear.
Kerry declared it over. The media then when nuts reporting it.
Oh? Seems to me Kerry got his information from the media. I could be wrong.
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They were reporting "Bush's confidence" all morning (and that sure grated my teeth) but that wasn't a finish line. Ohio wasn't even officially called by the news outlets until at least an hour later, when they got better and confirmable info on the provisional ballot question. Call me crazy, but I tend to think Kerry'd be the one to trust on whether or not he lost.
I don't believe the official count has been submitted yet, but there's only so much math you can do.Quote:
Is Ghoulman ever wrong about these things? Ask around.
Is Radhil ever less than friggin' stubborn when there's not a good arguement? Ask around. ;)
lol! Good for you.
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You're not even American, so why are you critisizing what goes on in our country? Its like the European people who gripe about our elections and stuff. Pointless and useless.
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Originally posted by ScorpiusTOTA:
When you can come up with some hard evidence of ANYTHING Ghoul, get back to us. Sheesh.
I'm not gonna bore people with links they never read. But there are lots of articles around the Net... you don't need me to find the hundreds of stories out there. And it's the volume of stories that prompted my accusation.
After all, vote counting isn't difficult!
Quote:GOOD for you!
I can tell you one true story though, I was harrassed at a poll in Cedar Rapids, Iowa by Moveon.org for having a Bush/Cheney sticker on my car. AT THE DAMN POLL. That is against the law, by the way.
Cops called, moveon movedout.
-Scorp
A real American!
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Elections Canada - http://www.elections.ca/home.asp?textonly=false
They are autonomous.
Reading up. Gracias.
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Oh? Seems to me Kerry got his information from the media. I could be wrong.
Kerry's campaign HQ in Ohio would have had a bunch of people side-by-side with local election boards to try and get their own estimates on all votes counted. Their very own system of exit polls, as it were. Not to mention pestering the state office - on phone and likely even in person and on site for real accuracy - for full information on the provisional ballot situation. Not to mention the army of lawyers prepared to unleash all hell if there was a reason to.
Kerry's main HQ would've sucked every factual detail dry from that Ohio office (and they in turn every other person down the food chain) before he made that concession call.
No serious US politician relies on media reports. They find out up front.
This of course highlights it's own problems - namely the US's massive bullshit production and all the crap necessary to avoid it - that you may point out as you like.
Radhil Trebors
Persona Under Construction
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A question for Ghoulman, not to offend, just out of curiousity (plus you can't get angry at someone who knows bugger all about politics, am I right?):
If you're in Canada why do you care so much about what's going on in the U.S.? No country is perfect, not even yours, surely so if you feel so strongly about politics -forgive me if you have before- why don't you start some threads on what's wrong with where you live?
Sig Rebel
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Originally posted by JenDandy:
A question for Ghoulman, not to offend, just out of curiousity (plus you can't get angry at someone who knows bugger all about politics, am I right?):
Sig Rebel
ROFLMFAO!!
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
It's plain the election is a fraud.
Your vote didn't count.
Ghoul, the more I see of you, the more profoundly grateful I am that you are not an American.
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I'm still curious about what may come out of this.
In 2000 when the news orgs 'called' Florida for Gore (based on exit polls) and the vote very publicly didn't go that way, it couldn't be swept under the rug. So the news orgs got together, went over their polls and data during the next couple of days, and decided that they hadn't actually made any mistakes. It was the discrepancy itself between the exits and the votes that uncovered the problems with the voting. Thousands more people in Florida thought they had voted for Gore. (Somewhere on my computer is the actual data from the study commissioned by the consortium, but that link doesn't work anymore. However, I did find a link to a news article: http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html "According to the study, 5,277 voters made a clean punch for Gore and a clean punch for Reform Party nominee Pat Buchanan. An additional 1,650 voters made clean punches for Bush and Buchanan. ... a CNN analysis found that Gore could have netted thousands of additional votes as compared with Bush. Eighteen other counties used another confusing ballot design. .... Gore would have netted thousands of additional votes as compared with Bush.)
This time around even the pollsters like Zogby, who were trying to be technically cautious, got blind-sided. The exit-poll v tally discrepancy was not so public this time around, but it was still a problem. Will it be pursued to ultimately determine the cause as was done in 2000?
I suspect the pollsters, whose job IS doing polls, will have an avid financial interest in exonerating (or quietly fixing) the business. But whether they have the clout and money to pursue the issue is another matter.
Have exits become unreliable? Were there other problems? I'm interested in finding out the ultimate answer. The problem is that even if the answers are pursued, they might not be in the public arena.
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