Out Like Flynn!
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Intel community trying to undermine Trump's presidency?
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Originally posted by G:
Yeah but... Trump doesn't follow the But Putin! meme, so why do you think he resigned him? Just for not telling Pence? That seems like a made up reason to me.
Maybe the Trump team dug up some inexcusable skeletons from his past a little too late and figured with all of this Russia "hysteria" going on it is the perfect opportunity to get rid of him while nobody was watching.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Hey sorry for the double post. I blame the interwebz! 
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Quote:I can think of all kinds of reasons from
Yeah but... Trump doesn't follow the But Putin! meme, so why do you think he resigned him? Just for not telling Pence? That seems like a made up reason to me. - G
1) Trump was facing insurmountable pressure from the CIA-MSM.inc deep state, and needed to lop off someone's head. The amount of hysterical press about everything Trump has been .... in a word ... unbelievable. People who have been in government for their entire careers claim they have never seen anything like this unrelenting - AND OPEN - pressure from the deep state. Just to press this "deep state" concept more: I have said, more than once, that I was sure that Obama was not in complete control of his foreign policy. The Maidan Surprise (provocateurs and snipers), the "gas attack" in Ghouta Syria, the Benghazi attack, the military cooperation plan with Russia that was scuttled within 24 hours when the USA military "accidentally" struck and killed 100 Syrian soldiers in an air attack that lasted several HOURS ... my impression is that there was some wrestling over foreign policy in the Obama admin, and that Obama didn't always win. That explains his policy lurching from side to side.
2) There was something in Flynn's background that couldn't stand scrutiny.
3) Republican neocons were pressuring Trump from the inside because Flynn was the most pro-peace-with-Russia appointee, and neocons like McCain STILL want war with Russia.
4) This was a setup. While the deep state was moving against Trump, Trump was gathering the information on the leakers and will charge some with treason, and fire a bunch of others.
I guess the answer is... who knows? I'm sure nobody will tell us the real story. I've read some dirt on the deep state that I don't want to pass on because I'm not sure how credible it is. But future events may tell us what went on.
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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I guess the answer is... who knows? I'm sure nobody will tell us the real story. I've read some dirt on the deep state that I don't want to pass on because I'm not sure how credible it is. But future events may tell us what went on.
Yep. Assuming there is a deep state there's never going to be anything credible we could ever say about it.
I look at any argument about whether the deep state exist or doesn't the same way I would look at a bible bouncer arguing the existence of God with an atheist.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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SUMTHINGZ RONG!
Its very alarming that Trumps replasement pick for Flynn iz not a clown or crooked in sum obvious way!
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/20/us/politics/mcmaster-national-secur
ity-adviser-trump.html
Therez no Russia connection (so far).
He haz no record uv being agenst sum branch uv the current gubment.
He appearz to be smart and well versed inthe subjects he will need for the post. (even rote a book)
He iz very well regarded by hiz peerz.
I woud hav been less worried if he'd named Sara Palin az Flynn'z replasement!
GOT TO BE sumthing major about to hit.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yes, the press is dishonest
Yes, the leaks of confidential information are illegal
Yes, the leaks were done by the CIA/ NSA...
Nice concise post. For anyone who thinks I'm just agreeing with Sig, dig back and you'll find we had some spectacular flame wars. A lot of you were here for those.Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Yeah but... Trump doesn't follow the But Putin! meme, so why do you think he resigned him? Just for not telling Pence? That seems like a made up reason to me.
Agreed. Someone is trying to redefine the Trump administration. Maybe multiple someones. Anyone remember the Christie team? They got bumped real fast.Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yep. Assuming there is a deep state there's never going to be anything credible we could ever say about it.
I'm going to look u this deep state thing. I need to know who is using the term and why. Remember the Shadow Govt? Sure, something like this is going on, but I might need to send this koolaid to the lab first.Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
wapo continued
Very informative. thanks.
Wapo is Bezos of Amazon who is very much a clintonista. It's not a neutral site. Quote:
Originally posted by second:
First among them is the timing....
Last but by no means least: If, as Trump says, he would have directed Flynn to discuss sanctions with Kislyak, why was it that the administration spent weeks insisting that there had been no such discussion?
Yeah, it seems to be someone didn't like the Russian sanctions lifting plan, but no one was going to do anything about it until it was leaked.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's been years since I was all conspiracy theorist crazy. Those days are behind me now. I really don't care all that much. Life seemed a whole lot longer when I was 22 years old, and I'm not all that interesting or important, so I don't feel as though I have a bullseye on my back.
That being said, I think it's foolish for anyone to believe there isn't a "Deep State" in any government. I'm not going to go so far as to make like Bugs Bunny and say "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em", but there really is no fighting it. They have all of the money and the power and they can hide in plain sight.
We are free enough to go about our lives as we please. We'll never know "real" power, but who wants that anyway?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Jack, you're still a conspiracy theorist. Look, all you're doing is seeing people with power trying to exert said power. Why, too get more power. It's utterly impossible for it not to occur. It's happening right now amongst Trumps own advisors. Which explains some of the leaks. Now, as this occurs people look for allies. As they do they become groups of people; simple. This happens within all organizations, even governments. Put another way. Everyone has beliefs and a way of doing things and they push for those things.
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Jack, you're still a conspiracy theorist. Look, all you're doing is seeing people with power trying to exert said power. Why, too get more power. It's utterly impossible for it not to occur. It's happening right now amongst Trumps own advisors. Which explains some of the leaks. Now, as this occurs people look for allies. As they do they become groups of people; simple. This happens within all organizations, even governments. Put another way. Everyone has beliefs and a way of doing things and they push for those things.
I didn't say I wasn't a conspiracy theorist. I just said I don't let anything drive me nuts anymore. It is what it is. I can't change it, and really there's no reason to even bother trying. I'm essentially free to do as I please. At least in America today, we're all given a fairly long leash.
I find it amusing that you don't recognize the conspiracy theorist inside yourself. You use it as an insult. It's not. If you take everything that is said at face value, particularly from any politician or any MSM outlet, you're the one with a problem.
All of this stuff that we see on a daily basis is nothing more than political theater. Stuff to keep you and I looking at each other instead of trying to peek into what goes on behind closed doors.
I'm not married to the term Deep State. Call it whatever you want. None of the people you know by name are the ones with the true power though. Why expose yourself to the microscope that is public opinion in this age of social media when nobody can prove that you even exist?
I realize I broke my 3 sentence rule with you on this one. Hard to talk about this issue in such short replies. Let's see how you do with this one, and we'll take it from there.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by G:
That's the thing - everyone's got an agenda, nothing new. Herbert Hoover? Mrs King Tut? We could probably name a couple dozen that hate Trump and have the potential to run him aground. One of the top ones is Tump himself with his staff being a close second. These Big Bad conspiracy naming conventions, "Deep State" shudder! "Shadow Government!" oh my! Just seems like something a manipulator creates to cause fog and uncertainty and it sounds very high school to me - makes me feel really wise and mature and that can't be good.
G
1) Yeah, that was the reason for my initial koolaid comment. Do we make the problem worse by dubbing it something, when it's a collection of known enemies.
2) Deep State is too closely associated with Bill Moyers, though I haven't read his schpiel yet, he's pretty solidly NWO.
3) All of that said, It's important not to confuse the proposed deep state with the normal tug of war. Paul O'Niell does a very nice deconstruction of the tug of war/monkey in the middle game in his book the price of loyalty.
4) Also, the tug of war is specifically those who already have pull, and there are also enemies of the state. Sadly, at this point, HRC is an enemy of the state, as she is actively or passively trying to overthrow it. Schumer also, even though he is in govt, appears to be doing so. We also should at least include Soros and anyone else known to be behind this plan. No reason for speculation, all these people immediately called for Trump's ouster just on the ground that he won the election. This is pretty similar to what happened to Yanukovich.
I guess the deep state would have to be defined in order to work as a concept. I feel like the CIA and tug of war are known, and the enemies of the state are also known. Any new concept would have to be made of evidence at least that they were working together, or anyone in the tug of war with any govt agency looking to usurp power while working with the enemies of the state.
And this is why I'm glad I came back. This is the real debate, and these are the real enemies, not some bunch of muslims somewhere.
So, sure, I do consider that Trump's connection to HRC may have meant this was all a set-up, but that is carrying this conspiracy a step deeper than deep state.
Here's a NYT story on the initial deep state and the US fears.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/world/americas/deep-state-leaks-tru
mp.html?_r=0
WASHINGTON — A wave of leaks from government officials has hobbled the Trump administration, leading some to draw comparisons to countries like Egypt, Turkey and Pakistan, where shadowy networks within government bureaucracies, often referred to as “deep states,” undermine and coerce elected governments.
So is the United States seeing the rise of its own deep state?
Not quite, experts say, but the echoes are real — and disturbing.
Though leaks can be a normal and healthy check on a president’s power, what’s happening now extends much further. The United States, those experts warn, risks developing an entrenched culture of conflict between the president and his own bureaucracy.
Issandr El Amrani, an analyst who has written on Egypt’s deep state, said he was concerned by the parallels, though the United States has not reached authoritarian extremes.
-NYT
link out, Egypt source: http://www.merip.org/mero/mero010112
I haven't read the initial Turkey story. I assume it's connected to the dubious zionist alliance, the IMF-Ankara intelligence, the fusion force, and the creation of ISIS
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