Is 2016 the year of the Third Party?
POSTED BY: JEWELSTAITEFAN
UPDATED: Thursday, June 5, 2025 14:21
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I can't say for the other states but in California you have to be registered to vote in order to vote. When you go to the voting location for your address, before you vote you state your name and address. And the poll worker has to find you in the book for your district before you can cast your ballot. in other words - YOUR ID HAS TO BE REGISTERED FIRST.
As a method for vote jinking, voter fraud is very unattractive. As 'G' pointed out earlier, you're simply not going to have large percentages of people standing hours in line to vote under an id that isn't theirs - assuming they've looked up the names in the phone book and take a stab that whatever name and address they picked for that district hasn't voted already.
The most vulnerable step isn't the actual vote, it's the registration.
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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I'm not even arguing that voter fraud has happened. I believe it does, but that's not my point here.
My point is, until photo ID is required, in the minds of many, the entire voting process will remain suspect. I'm just tired of having this conversation when it's so stupid that we're not carding for the vote when we card for so many other less important things already.
There's well over 1,200 days until the next Presidential election. Plenty of time for everybody to go out and get a free state ID.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Assuming you're not handicapped, that you have transportation to the dmv, that you're not newly arrived in that state right before an election, that you can get time off from work during 'dmv' hours, that ... well jack, maybe it's been so long since you worked even 40 hours a week you've forgotten how much it can crimp your time, especially m-f, 9-5 during dmv hours. And I assume you've never been a heart failure patient with no transport to the dmv. Or other difficult circumstance. No wonder you just ASSume they must be fat and lazy.
If you can't get your fat lazy ass to the DMV on one of them to get a free State ID, then you don't deserve to vote. Period.
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:Assuming you're not handicapped, that you have transportation to the dmv, that you're not newly arrived in that state right before an election, that you can get time off from work during 'dmv' hours, that ... well jack, maybe it's been so long since you worked even 40 hours a week you've forgotten how much it can crimp your time, especially m-f, 9-5 during dmv hours. And I assume you've never been a heart failure patient with no transport to the dmv. Or other difficult circumstance. No wonder you just ASSume they must be fat and lazy.
If you can't get your fat lazy ass to the DMV on one of them to get a free State ID, then you don't deserve to vote. Period.
LOL... What's the deal 1kiki? You're normal sparring partners have taken a break for a few days so you're just looking for somebody... ANYBODY to argue with? You sound like one of those SJWs now.
You completely missed the main point that they would have to spend one portion of one single day out of nearly 3,000 days to get that free ID. That's half as much time that they'd spend actually voting in two presidential elections, and 1/4 the time they'd spend actually voting in the mid-terms as well.
If the law were made today, there would be more than 1,200 days for them to get the ID. If you have a great job, you can easily make time for this. If you have a decent job with vacation and personal days, you can easily make time for this. If you have a shitty retail job, even if it's full time, you're going to be working different hours of the day from day to day and can easily make time for this. If you have a shitty part time job, you can easily make time for this.
If you're handicapped or have a heart condition, but you're still capable of getting to the polling place to vote once every 2-4 years, you are capable of spending one extra day out of nearly 3,000 getting an ID.
If you don't have a car, you know somebody who does, and can get them to take you to the DMV one day out of nearly 3,000 days. If you live in a populated area, where most of the suspected voter fraud takes place, chances are very likely that there's a DMV in walking distance. It's assumed if you don't have a vehicle, you are no stranger to walking for everything else in your life already.
As for people who JUST moved into the state, there's an easy solution to that as well. Allow for an overlap. You're not expected to get a new drivers license the very day you move into a new state. If you show an out of state ID at the polling place, just show proof that you are new to the area along with the ID.
I'm still waiting on hearing a circumstance where it would be unreasonable for somebody to get a free State ID once every nearly 3,000 days.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I'm looking for a rational thesis from you, instead of bogus pre-canned talking points.
LOL... What's the deal 1kiki? You're normal sparring partners have taken a break for a few days so you're just looking for somebody... ANYBODY to argue with?
Quote:And you think that they can just go to the dmv, say 'my name is agent k';, get their picture taken and - voilà! - picture id? The REALITY is that getting the photo id requires first getting a complex set of other ids, from places that may be out of state. For example, one may need to get a NH birth certificate while residing in Michigan. Getting those documents is a burden - on top of the trip to the dmv.
they would have to spend one portion of one single day out of nearly 3,000 days to get that free ID
Quote:The problem is, jack, you haven't demonstrated that there IS a problem requiring voter id as a solution. Because the problem is the registration, not the voting. And you utterly failed to support your sole argument that this supposed solution to a non-existent problem don't impose an undue burden. Because the documentation burden is substantial.
http://www.dmvflorida.org/drivers-license-identification.shtml
US Citizens
Florida law requires identification, proof of date of birth, proof of residential address, and proof of social security number (if issued, Chapter 322, Florida Statutes, requires the Department see proof of social security number for the issuance of driver license and identification cards) from all customers before a driver license or identification card can be issued.
The name assigned to the social security number must match the name that will appear on the Florida driver license or identification card. If you have recently changed your name, update your records with the Social Security Administration before you apply for your license or identification card.
http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/dsd_x1
73.pdf
First-time Illinois Driver’s License/ ID Card Applicant An applicant applying for a driver’s license or ID card for the first time in Illinois must present:
•one document that satisfies each of Group A,B and C
•two documents that satisfy Group D (one document from Group D if applicant is under age 5 applying for an ID card; one document if applicant is applying for a no-fee ID card presenting a Homeless Status Certification) Duplicate/ Corrected Driver’s License ID Card Applicant An applicant applying for either a duplicate or corrected driver.
https://dmv.ny.gov/driver-license/prove-identity-age-permitlicense
date of birth by providing an acceptable document from the list below, and
name by providing your Social Security Card (SSN) or an ineligibility letter 1, and
one or more other documents that total 4 points
Please note that
your signature must be on at least one document
your documents must be original or certified by the issuing agency, unless you send us the proofs by mail
(followed by anm extensive list of documents, exceptions, caveats, and points for each)
As I've posted more than once, I'm in favor of voter id IF the dem party can make it uniform across all states, and then work its little heinie off to get dems properly id'd. That would help protect dems from being purged from voter rolls.
But if that doesn't happen - and I guarantee it won't - the only lock this key fits is the one that keeps the dem constituency from voting for no other reason than they're dems.
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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I'm not giving any pre-canned talking points. I never once heard anybody say that a state ID would be good for nearly 3,000 days.
I don't have to prove anything regarding why not having a photo ID when voting leads to voter fraud. The PROBLEM right now isn't voter fraud. The PROBLEM is that MANY Americans have lost faith in the voting process because of doubts about the fairness of the elections because photo IDs are not required. I don't have to prove that to you. That's a well known fact.
The ONLY way to fix that problem is to force everyone to show a government issued photo ID at the voting booths.
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But if that doesn't happen - and I guarantee it won't - the only lock this key fits is the one that keeps the dem constituency from voting for no other reason than they're dems.
That's just plain bullshit. That's throwing minorities and women and disabled people into a heap and saying that they are either lazy or stupid or incapable of doing anything unless somebody does it for them. It's also assuming that all of the white males are Republicans and all of the white males would have no problem getting a photo ID, because they're not women or minorities or disabled.
And by the way... chances are 100% that people on government benefits already have the paperwork required to get a photo ID. They can't get the benefits unless they can prove who they are with the very same documents needed to get a driver's license or a state ID. Ask me how I know.
You're not talking to an idiot. You're also talking to a person who has worked jobs at just about every level of income under upper management in the last 20 years. So spare me any bullshit about how hard it is to make a trip to the DMV once every 8 years.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:First of all, not MANY know that supposed well known fact. Two out of 3 people - 66% - DON'T know that. http://time.com/4461014/voter-fraud-poll-gallup-poll-republicans/
The PROBLEM is that MANY Americans have lost faith in the voting process because of doubts about the fairness of the elections because photo IDs are not required. I don't have to prove that to you. That's a well known fact.
But even if MANY knew that voter fraud was 'major' problem, or that the earth was flat, would that make either true?
But very specifically, it's not true. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/voter-fraud-is-very-rare-in-ameri
can-elections/
In any case, the howlers - dead people registering to vote, or non-citizens registering to vote - highlight the problem is with REGISTRATION, not voting.
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In Harrisonburg, Virginia, the FBI and local authorities are investigating after 20 dead people re-registered to vote this year. Also, a study found more than 1,000 non-citizens in Virginia are registered to vote.
Quote:Don't forget the elderly, ill, and impoverished! Why, when you start to add it all up, it looks like the only thing in common is that they're the dem constituency!
That's (voter id keeps dem constituents from voting) just plain bullshit. That's throwing minorities and women and disabled people into a heap and saying that they are either lazy or stupid or incapable of doing anything unless somebody does it for them.
I take it Jack you have zero concern for those people who can have genuine problems making their way through a needlessly complicated, effortful, protracted process, engineered to screen legitimate voters out.
Quote:Speaking of bullshit, I see you're back to your canard that's it's only one trip to the DMV - but while that may be bad enough, in the real world, it's about so much more.
So spare me any bullshit about how hard it is to make a trip to the DMV once every 8 years.
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:First of all, not MANY know that supposed well known fact. Two out of 3 people - 66% - DON'T know that. http://time.com/4461014/voter-fraud-poll-gallup-poll-republicans/
The PROBLEM is that MANY Americans have lost faith in the voting process because of doubts about the fairness of the elections because photo IDs are not required. I don't have to prove that to you. That's a well known fact.
But even if MANY knew that voter fraud was 'major' problem, or that the earth was flat, would that make either true?
But very specifically, it's not true. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/voter-fraud-is-very-rare-in-ameri
can-elections/
In any case, the howlers - dead people registering to vote, or non-citizens registering to vote - highlight the problem is with REGISTRATION, not voting.Quote:
In Harrisonburg, Virginia, the FBI and local authorities are investigating after 20 dead people re-registered to vote this year. Also, a study found more than 1,000 non-citizens in Virginia are registered to vote.
Quote:Don't forget the elderly, ill, and impoverished! Why, when you start to add it all up, it looks like the only thing in common is that they're the dem constituency!
That's (voter id keeps dem constituents from voting) just plain bullshit. That's throwing minorities and women and disabled people into a heap and saying that they are either lazy or stupid or incapable of doing anything unless somebody does it for them.
I take it Jack you have zero concern for those people who can have genuine problems making their way through a needlessly complicated, effortful, protracted process, engineered to screen legitimate voters out.Quote:Speaking of bullshit, I see you're back to your canard that's it's only one trip to the DMV - but while that may be bad enough, in the real world, it's about so much more.
So spare me any bullshit about how hard it is to make a trip to the DMV once every 8 years.
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
LOL...
You of all people, are quoting fivethirtyeight.com...
T and G might be on to something. I think you just might be a Troll.
At the very least, you're a bona fide contrarian. When the people you normally argue with took a couple days vacation from satisfying your desire to argue with somebody, you just go and find whoever is around to pick a fight with. LOL... and you even use websites that they like using against your arguments. Yanno, the blatantly left slanted websites like 538 that had Clinton up by so much a week before the election there was no possible way that Trump could win.
I didn't say how many people actually believed that voter fraud was a major problem. I just said that EVERYBODY knows that there are a lot of people who believe it is a problem. But thank you for posting that article and proving both points....
"One in Three in U.S. Think Voter Fraud a 'Major' Problem"
That's 33%. That is OVER 100 MILLION PEOPLE in America that think voter fraud is a MAJOR problem.
And I don't give two shits how many problems there are with voter registrations. You could have 10 million dead people and illegals register to vote. But if the law is that you have to have a valid State Issued ID or Drivers License with a photo on it, none of those dead people or illegal people will actually be able to vote.
GET IT?
And I'm not going to cry for anybody who doesn't have the chops to get a photo ID. That's life. We have to do a whole lot of shit that we don't like doing, nearly every single day.
Here's an idea. Notify everybody that is on any form of Government assistance that the next time their 6 month re-evaluation of their food stamp/energy/SSI benefits comes up, that their next payment will be witheld if they have not in t
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Not a contrarian - just not partisan. I aim to be right, no matter where it lands me, politically.
As for your bogus claims about voter fraud (which, let me add, you've still failed to prove), I google searched my answers. The links I put up were simply examples out of many.
how many people think voter fraud is a problem
https://www.google.com/#q=how+many+people+think+voter+fraud+is+a+probl
em
voter fraud statistics by state
https://www.google.com/#q=voter+fraud+statistics+by+state
But that's too complicated for you I guess. Asking a question, and looking at MANY answers in order to figure out the facts.
Oh, btw, while it varies from state to state, the only government assistance program that requires a birth certificate by the feds is Medicare. Medicaid, food stamps, welfare, assistance on your utility bills - not so much.
How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?
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I've never once had to provide a birth certificate for a drivers license. I've lived in the extremely Democratic Illinois, the moderate Wisconsin, and the mostly Republican Indiana. I have had to provide my social security card, which I also had to provide when I had first signed up for food stamps, and every time I got energy assistance.
I'm not going to keep reading links you sent me. I quoted the top line of the last one you sent me that said that 1 in 3 Americans believe that voter fraud is a major problem.
You keep asking me to prove voter fraud. I've never claimed there was voter fraud. What I've said, and what the article you provided backs up, is that a VERY LARGE amount of Americans believe that voter fraud is a problem.
I didn't have to prove it. YOU ALREADY DID.
Dumbass...
Where you at G and THGRRI? I'm done with this idiot.
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