Is 2016 the year of the Third Party?

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Tuesday, February 7, 2017 6:07 PM

6ixStringJack, what you’re dreaming of is a national ID card. All legislative attempts to create a national identity card have failed due to tenacious opposition from liberal and conservative politicians alike, who regard the national identity card as the mark of a totalitarian society.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_documents_in_the_United_States

There would always be people who forgot their national ID card. So that they can’t forget when they vote, all Americans except the 1% should be micro-chipped, exactly like pets. The 1% will be exempt because we're not pets nor employees and we already know our legislators’ home phone numbers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchip_implant_(human)

Sadly for me, my side of the 1% has to accept losing occasionally to the Republican side, but there are the wonderful tax cuts to make me feel better and keep me in the Top 1%.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I've never once had to provide a birth certificate for a drivers license. I've lived in the extremely Democratic Illinois, the moderate Wisconsin, and the mostly Republican Indiana. I have had to provide my social security card, which I also had to provide when I had first signed up for food stamps, and every time I got energy assistance.

I'm not going to keep reading links you sent me. I quoted the top line of the last one you sent me that said that 1 in 3 Americans believe that voter fraud is a major problem.

You keep asking me to prove voter fraud. I've never claimed there was voter fraud. What I've said, and what the article you provided backs up, is that a VERY LARGE amount of Americans believe that voter fraud is a problem.

I didn't have to prove it. YOU ALREADY DID.

Dumbass...

Where you at G and THGRRI? I'm done with this idiot.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, February 8, 2017 6:24 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I can't say for the other states but in California you have to be registered to vote in order to vote.

But nobody needs to be a citizen. No proof of citizenship is required to register. I have read that Arizona is now the same.
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When you go to the voting location for your address, before you vote you state your name and address.

Or any address that you choose. This is why Democrats love to have printouts of voter registration data, as well as voter history. When these clowns have that piece of paper in their hand with "their" address that they are about to recite, they got it from a roster of registered voters, and often checked that that voter has not participated in recent elections. As long as there is no bother to check an ID, this will continue. Then these clowns get back on the Democrat bus and head off to the next polling station. This is one of the prime methods detailed by those who brag about how many times they voted on election day - even bragging to television reporters. When the REAL voter reports in, they are not allowed to vote because "they already voted once" and subsequent complaints to the Libtard Clerk in these Libtard Wards where this rampant fraud occurs are quickly disregarded, discounted, or dismissed by the Democrat Clerks.
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And the poll worker has to find you in the book for your district before you can cast your ballot.

and the Left-wing extremist wacko at the Poll is never going to let a fellow Libtard vote fraudulently, right....
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in other words - YOUR ID HAS TO BE REGISTERED FIRST.

No, not your ID - the ID of the REAL voter which you are impersonating.
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As a method for vote jinking, voter fraud is very unattractive.

Those bragging on TV how they voted 7 times sure seem to make it sound like they had fun.
And even when they get caught, you really think the Democrat Clerk will push for punishment or investigation?
The Democrat District Attorney?
The Democrat Prosecuting Attorney?
The Democrat Sheriff or Police Chief?
How delusional can you get?
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As 'G' pointed out earlier, you're simply not going to have large percentages of people standing hours in line to vote under an id that isn't theirs - assuming they've looked up the names in the phone book and take a stab that whatever name and address they picked for that district hasn't voted already.

The most vulnerable step isn't the actual vote, it's the registration.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

1KIKI

Wednesday, February 8, 2017 12:19 PM

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No proof of citizenship is required to register. I have read that Arizona is now the same.

Registration seems to me to be the weak link in voting, far more than the wrong person voting.

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Or any address that you choose. This is why Democrats love to have printouts of voter registration data, as well as voter history. When these clowns have that piece of paper in their hand with "their" address that they are about to recite, they got it from a roster of registered voters, and often checked that that voter has not participated in recent elections. As long as there is no bother to check an ID, this will continue. Then these clowns get back on the Democrat bus and head off to the next polling station.

That's quite a story. Though given the lines at most polling stations I imagine a typical fake voter could get to 3 at most. And, btw, I probably won't accept this without any ... yanno ... evidence.

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and the Left-wing extremist wacko at the Poll is never going to let a fellow Libtard vote fraudulently, right....

In my town, there are TWO poll workers who find you in the book, then have you sign. Your story is sounding more and more like a histrionic ghost story made up by a pre-teen.

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No, not your ID - the ID of the REAL voter which you are impersonating.

Until the real voter votes ahead of the fake voter and the fake voter is exposed as a fraud? Or until the real voter shows up afterward and protests? There are so MANY opportunities for this to go wrong, there should be tens of thousands of outraged stories every election cycle. And yet .. that hasn't happened. I think it's because it doesn't happen. And please don't cite any O'Keefe videos, as they're highly edited and impossible to verify. http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/18/project-veritas-election-videos/

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Those bragging on TV how they voted 7 times ...

Who would that be, exactly?
Or, as you might say "How delusional can you get?"

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, February 9, 2017 2:38 AM

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Originally posted by second:
6ixStringJack, what you’re dreaming of is a national ID card. All legislative attempts to create a national identity card have failed due to tenacious opposition from liberal and conservative politicians alike, who regard the national identity card as the mark of a totalitarian society.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_documents_in_the_United_States

There would always be people who forgot their national ID card. So that they can’t forget when they vote, all Americans except the 1% should be micro-chipped, exactly like pets. The 1% will be exempt because we're not pets nor employees and we already know our legislators’ home phone numbers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchip_implant_(human)

Sadly for me, my side of the 1% has to accept losing occasionally to the Republican side, but there are the wonderful tax cuts to make me feel better and keep me in the Top 1%.

I'm EXTREMELY against a national ID card and any sort of microchipping or barcoding. That is not what I'm saying at all. These would be state based cards, and currently are only necessary for people who drive a car.

What I'm saying is that it's not that big a deal to get a photo ID, especially if it's free. If you're one of the "impovorished Democrats" that everybody likes to make excuses for, you already have the social security card you need to get a state ID if you're on government assistance. Just tell them they have 6 months to get their free state ID when their next benefit check comes up. If they don't have it by the next benefit check, their benefits will be witheld until they get it.

Watch how fast everyone with a million excuses get their photo IDs. Even the grimiest crack head isn't going to let his mom go hungry and will find a way to get her to the DMV.

Still no National ID card. If you aren't on government benefits and you don't drive a car, you still aren't required to have a photo ID.

And if you forget your photo ID when you go to vote, you have to go home and get it. Not a big deal. I'm sure it won't be the first time something like that has happened to them in their lives. You've never gone shopping somewhere only to realize that you left your wallet on your dresser when you went to pay?

Suggesting that people get micro-chipped because they'd forget their IDs is just silly talk.

[EDITED TO ADD]

I somehow managed to lose my SS card a few years back. I know exactly where I keep it, along with my birth certificate and HS diploma, but it wasn't there and for the life of me I couldn't think of where I put it.

It was a HUGE pain in my rear, and it did take me about 4 hours of waiting in line to get it, but I was able to get a replacement. Be aware that they do give you a "twice in a lifetime" chance of replacing it, but there actually IS another way to get a 3rd replacement if you managed to lose it 3 times, but I wouldn't want to even imagine how many hoops you need to jump through at that point.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, February 14, 2017 7:44 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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No proof of citizenship is required to register. I have read that Arizona is now the same.
Registration seems to me to be the weak link in voting, far more than the wrong person voting.
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Or any address that you choose. This is why Democrats love to have printouts of voter registration data, as well as voter history. When these clowns have that piece of paper in their hand with "their" address that they are about to recite, they got it from a roster of registered voters, and often checked that that voter has not participated in recent elections. As long as there is no bother to check an ID, this will continue. Then these clowns get back on the Democrat bus and head off to the next polling station.
That's quite a story. Though given the lines at most polling stations I imagine a typical fake voter could get to 3 at most. And, btw, I probably won't accept this without any ... yanno ... evidence.
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and the Left-wing extremist wacko at the Poll is never going to let a fellow Libtard vote fraudulently, right....
In my town, there are TWO poll workers who find you in the book, then have you sign. Your story is sounding more and more like a histrionic ghost story made up by a pre-teen.
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No, not your ID - the ID of the REAL voter which you are impersonating.
Until the real voter votes ahead of the fake voter and the fake voter is exposed as a fraud? Or until the real voter shows up afterward and protests? There are so MANY opportunities for this to go wrong, there should be tens of thousands of outraged stories every election cycle. And yet .. that hasn't happened. I think it's because it doesn't happen. And please don't cite any O'Keefe videos, as they're highly edited and impossible to verify. http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/18/project-veritas-election-videos/
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Those bragging on TV how they voted 7 times ...
Who would that be, exactly?
Or, as you might say "How delusional can you get?"

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

Working on the details.
Some linkys:
http://akdart.com/voting.html

http://archive.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/91776779.html

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, February 19, 2017 3:00 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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The PROBLEM is that MANY Americans have lost faith in the voting process because of doubts about the fairness of the elections because photo IDs are not required. I don't have to prove that to you. That's a well known fact.
First of all, not MANY know that supposed well known fact. Two out of 3 people - 66% - DON'T know that.

In any case, the howlers - dead people registering to vote, or non-citizens registering to vote - highlight the problem is with REGISTRATION, not voting.
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In Harrisonburg, Virginia, the FBI and local authorities are investigating after 20 dead people re-registered to vote this year. Also, a study found more than 1,000 non-citizens in Virginia are registered to vote.

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That's (voter id keeps dem constituents from voting) just plain bullshit. That's throwing minorities and women and disabled people into a heap and saying that they are either lazy or stupid or incapable of doing anything unless somebody does it for them.
Don't forget the elderly, ill, and impoverished! Why, when you start to add it all up, it looks like the only thing in common is that they're the dem constituency!
I take it Jack you have zero concern for those people who can have genuine problems making their way through a needlessly complicated, effortful, protracted process, engineered to screen legitimate voters out.
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So spare me any bullshit about how hard it is to make a trip to the DMV once every 8 years.
Speaking of bullshit, I see you're back to your canard that's it's only one trip to the DMV - but while that may be bad enough, in the real world, it's about so much more.

That is OVER 100 MILLION PEOPLE in America that think voter fraud is a MAJOR problem.

And I don't give two shits how many problems there are with voter registrations. You could have 10 million dead people and illegals register to vote. But if the law is that you have to have a valid State Issued ID or Drivers License with a photo on it, none of those dead people or illegal people will actually be able to vote.

GET IT?

This seems one of your best posts. Where you not high or drunk when you posted this?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, February 19, 2017 3:49 AM

Nope. Haven't smoked weed in about 2-3 years now, and haven't had a drink since New Years Eve.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

1KIKI

Sunday, February 19, 2017 4:37 AM

http://akdart.com/voting.html

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The next day, county officials ''discovered'' that the returns from one precinct had not yet been counted, Mr. Caro said, and those votes went overwhelmingly to Johnson. On Monday, there were more new returns from the Rio Grande Valley.

The story, from back in 1948, is about how LBJ stole the primary vote. But even if true, and even if voter ID had been available back then, it wouldn't have helped against the outright manufacture of ballots, to be 'found' and counted later.

The rest of the stories center around Hillary's popular vote numbers and specific states like California, or cities like Detroit.

And the complaints about "voter fraud"? There's questionable registration ... more votes than voters and at the same time voters with missing votes ... broken seals ... malfunctioning optical scanners ... but Russia! claims ... stories that mention nothing about voter fraud ... California accounted for Hillary's popular vote ... in fact, I couldn't find ONE instance of voter fraud in the links.

Bad voter registration, outright ballot manufacture by a vote official, misbehaving machines ... but no voter fraud per se.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

1KIKI

Sunday, February 19, 2017 4:48 AM

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http://archive.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/91776779.html

Three are charged with voting as felons, two with voting twice, and two with falsely procuring voter registrations while working for the organization ACORN.

This story doesn't indicate how voter ID could have helped.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, February 25, 2017 3:08 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Seems to be lots of confusion and contradictory claims about states with Voter ID laws.

here are some linkys:

https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_state#tab=Details
_by_state

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_in_the_United_States

To speak reasonably about these, perhaps we should specify which states we are talking about.

The following States seem to have changes in their Voter ID laws between 2012 and 2016:
KS, MS, VA, AL, SD, AR, WI improved their requirements.
AZ, TX, ND, PA lessened their requirements.

Using wikipedia, I find the following current groups:
Require Photo ID (aka honest elections):
(7) WI, KS, IN, MS, TN, GA, VA. Every one of these states counted their votes to carry for the GOP in 2016, except that suburb of ultra-corrupt D.C. known as "Virginia." A total of 63 Electoral Votes are represented by these states with "honest elections." 13 for Dems, 50 for GOP. Hilliary took VA with less than a majority, 49.75% of the "vote." VA voted GOP from 1979 until the infestation of D.C. by liberals following the Rock The Vote Election in 2006.
WI finally was able to enforce it's laws, and went to GOP for the first time since 1984.
KS and MS voted GOP every time since 1979.
IN voted Obama in 2008, otherwise GOP since 1979.
TN and GA each voted Dem twice since 1979.

Require ID, no photo:
(2) AZ, OH. These both voted GOP in 2016. OH voted Obama in 2012, and since 1980 has voted for the eventual victor each election. AZ has voted GOP every time since 1980 save 1996.

Request ID, which must have Photo:
(8) AL, FL, ID, LA, MI, RI, SD, TX. All of these voted for GOP in 2016 except Rhode Island. In 2012 MI voted for Obama.

Request ID, without Photo:
(15) AK, AR, CO, CT, DE, HI, KY, MO, MT, NH, ND, OK, SC, UT, WA. Of this group of 15, 6 went for the Dems in 2016, with 39 Electoral Votes, and 9 went for the GOP with 55 Electoral Votes.

No ID whatsoever (aka most encouraging voting fraud, and thereby disenfranchising honest law-abiding voting electorate):
(19) CA, IL, IA, ME, MD, MA, MN, NE, NV, NJ, NM, NY, NC, OR, PA, VT, WV, WY, DC.
6 of these states went to the GOP in 2016, with 54 Electoral Votes, and 13 (12 States plus DC) went to Hilliary, with 177 Electoral Votes.
In 2012, only PA had different voter ID laws compared to 2016 in this group, yet IA and PA went to Obama, taking 26 EVs - for a margin of 203 to 28 Electoral Votes in this most lawless(literally) group.
This group represents 231 Electoral Votes. 270 Electoral Votes wins an election. With 39 EVs from the prior category, this accounts for 270. Combining the 2 least-honest (most fraudulent) groups of laws, this is 325 Electoral Votes ripe for election fraud.

This last group, subtracting the EVs wrought from Senators, accounts for 195 of the 438 EVs representing population proportion - or about 45% of the population of America.
The prior group accounts for 64 more of the population proportion, giving us 259 or 59% of America governed by the most lax Voter ID laws - and it may be shocking, I say shocking to some that these States end up counting their vote tallies in favor of the Dems.

If we can specify which states we are disputing about from here on, it might make more sense.

Another perspective of the data:
Of the 13 States which are solid Leftist, recording their results with wide margins for Dems every election since 1990, not a single one has Photo ID Required, nor has ID Requirement without Photo, and only Rhode Island among them has even a request for Photo ID. These represent 175 Electoral Votes.
These States (and their EVs) were CA(55), NY(29), IL(20), NJ(14), WA(12), MA(11), MD(10), CT(7), HI(4), RI(4), VT(3), DE(3), and DC(3).

The next spectrum category of 4 States which record comfortable margins (more than 10%) and, other than NH in 2000, record their vote as Dem every election since

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