Is 2016 the year of the Third Party?
POSTED BY: JEWELSTAITEFAN
UPDATED: Thursday, June 5, 2025 14:21
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New poll has Hilliary at 61% unfavorable, Trump at 53%.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/18/fox-news-poll-clintons-nega
tives-surpass-trumps.html
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Sorry for the delay in completing the above posts.
Hope they make sense.
If not, let me know.
Obama was 28% unfavorable in 2012, as comparison. That still makes Hilliary 11-33% more unfavorable, so any shift of 15% is not unreasonable or unfathomable.
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3rd and 4th!
Trump vs Hillary
Bernie vs Romney
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Herez your 3rd party: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/gary-johnson-aims-to-offer-vo
ters-a-plan-c-689358915619?cid=eml_mra_20160520
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There is only one third party that's going to be on the ballots in most if not all of the states, and that's the Libertarian Party. Only it doesn't really have a candidate. Or it does, but you've never heard of him, and never will.
But by all means, keep telling us how "unelectable" Bernie is...
Filing deadlines have passed in most states, so no other party is going to get on the ballot. The game is rigged. It's a small club, and you and I ain't in it.
Privilege has its membership.
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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
There is only one third party that's going to be on the ballots in most if not all of the states, and that's the Libertarian Party. Only it doesn't really have a candidate. Or it does, but you've never heard of him, and never will.
Garry Johnson. You shoud hav looked at the link I posted.
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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
There is only one third party that's going to be on the ballots in most if not all of the states, and that's the Libertarian Party. Only it doesn't really have a candidate. Or it does, but you've never heard of him, and never will.
But by all means, keep telling us how "unelectable" Bernie is...
Filing deadlines have passed in most states, so no other party is going to get on the ballot. The game is rigged. It's a small club, and you and I ain't in it.
Privilege has its membership.
Who in this thread has said that Bernie is unelectable, other than you?
From what I have seen poll-wise, Hilliary will have a difficult time beating Trump with her current poll numbers, and Bernie will have a great advantage over Trump. I cannot recall information indicating honestly that Bernie cannot beat Trump. However, Bernie snatching away the annointment of Hilliary is yet to be seen.
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Originally posted by JO753:
Herez your 3rd party: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/gary-johnson-aims-to-offer-vo
ters-a-plan-c-689358915619?cid=eml_mra_20160520
I thought your link must be outdated. Gary was the candidate in 2012, and I voted for him.
But he is also the candidate for this year - excellent news. It looks like Jim Gray will not repeat as Veep Candidate.
That is the Libertarian Party.
Other parties include:
A whole pile of Socialist and Socialists and Socialist Parties.
Constitution Party - Darrell Castle and Scott Bradley
Reform Party USA - Ken Cross and Lynn Kahn (Party recovering after attempted takeover by David Duke types)
Veterans Party - Chris Keniston and Deacon Taylor
Regarding being on every ballot in every state: This is not required. See the details I mentioned in above posts.
Getting on the ballot in states like AR, TN, MD, RI, VA, NC, LA, GA, AL, MS, SC could be quite pointless for the purposes of Election 2016. They had such poor showings for Perot in 1992, 1996 that similar results this year would prove a waste of time and money.
In a 3-way race the third party only needs to win a few states to throw the Election to the Congress, and only a little over a third of the Electoral Vote (with 23 states) to reasonably argue to Congress that they should be the winner, and if the Third Candidate has 269 Electoral Votes (with 25 states), they likely won't get it from any of the states just mentioned, and they would still be the winner. This means getting on the ballot in 25 states would make it possible.
Please remember that this is envisioning a 3-way race, so the goals are completely different. A Third Candidate would not need to be on the ballot in every state in order to win.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The chart actually shows a curious trend. More often than not (which isn't to say "all the time") the more UNpopular candidate wins. If that trend holds true, Trump should win.
Carter lost in 1980, Bush41 lost in 1992, Gore lost in 2000.
3 races not conforming to your observation - 2 of them incumbents.
Reagan landslide in 84 with heavy dislike for Mondale, Bush41 in 1988, Clinton in 1996 with East-Coast Liberal Dole, Bush43 in 2004 with Kerry's dislike higher than any candidate of a prior year, and Obamination's 2 races against opponents more liberal than he.
It appears your theory only works when conservatives are disliked - which is obvious since the MainStreamMedia hates centrists or conservatives.
But when Liberals like Carter, Mondale, Clinton (both times had more votes against him than for), Dole, Gore, Kerry, McCain, Romney are viewed unfavorably, voters vote against them.
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I heard reported a recent poll that showed both Trump and Hilliary were more unfavorable than Vlad Putin by American voters.
The results on which of them would be better as Putin's Veep were less clear.
Their massive unfavorability and untrustworthiness are why this is the best opportunity for a Third Candidate, since 1940. And with Koch backing, Gary Johnson could win.
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