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Friday, December 2, 2016 5:29 AM

Time and time again, the mostly progressive american public seems to "lose" to a bunch of severely Fascist scum, and every single time the whole vote count seems to experience an almost inexplicable "Red Shift" of 5-7% at the last instant, riiiight around 11:00pm that no one can explain in any logical manner.

This would, perhaps, be explainable as a failure of polling, except and instead of the one and only time it DID NOT HAPPEN, that being 2012, and the primary culprit for that event being Anonymous, a non cell structured resistance who's only guide has ever been the individual conscience of it's own members, thus rendering it a flood of splinters rather than a big stick, and recently holding the belief that the american public truly deserves the horrors it is willing to accept without question.



Myself, I am not so sanguine, given the sheer amount of blatant manipulation, and the otherwise irreconcilable differences between polls and policy, and have taken a hard stand against it, especially in light of nearly 90,000 STRAIGHT TICKET ballots somehow not registering a presidental vote in Michigan, which is MECHANICALLY IMOPOSSIBLE via the optical scan ballots used in Detroit, and only in any way possible via manipulation at the central tabulation unit, which is currently surveilled by more than two cameras... which I have access to, and will be reviewing that footage in the next few days.

I am fully familar with the hursti hack, and with negative vote uploading, which the downballot races provide some very strong evidence of, and I have full access to District 10, 11 and 12 results and counts, so if you know anyone involved, I would strongly suggest that you instruct them to flee, as we have now arrested at least five of these cretins, not least of which is Brandon Hall, who has committed several crimes in this regard.

Do NOT think, not for a single moment, that any of me or mine, regardless of my poor health and failing life, that any of this will pass without resistance, because my current chosen successor is far, far less tolerant than I am, and will take up the banner and carry it forward regardless of any resistance, whether legalized by an illegitamate regime or no.

-Frem

Down with the Blind God!

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Friday, December 2, 2016 12:50 PM

Yep, I remember watching Fox that night of the Rove Freak Out and my bullshit radar was peaked watching him brow beat the poor schlubs at Fox HQ. It doesn't surprise me that the repubs had the fix in.

But what does surprise me is that "someone" was watching and smacked Rove's hand away from the cookie jar. "Uh no, mustn't fix"

I have a question Frem. Do you think that this may have been the case this year with the Donald "winning" the electoral college; this comes from a report I heard on MSNBC's Rachel Maddow show that Congressional Dems from the Intelligence Committee have publicly released a letter to POTUS Obama regarding classified information about the Russian hack. They want him to declassify and release the info to the public.


SGG


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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Time and time again, the mostly progressive american public seems to "lose" to a bunch of severely Fascist scum, and every single time the whole vote count seems to experience an almost inexplicable "Red Shift" of 5-7% at the last instant, riiiight around 11:00pm that no one can explain in any logical manner.

This would, perhaps, be explainable as a failure of polling, except and instead of the one and only time it DID NOT HAPPEN, that being 2012, and the primary culprit for that event being Anonymous, a non cell structured resistance who's only guide has ever been the individual conscience of it's own members, thus rendering it a flood of splinters rather than a big stick, and recently holding the belief that the american public truly deserves the horrors it is willing to accept without question.



Myself, I am not so sanguine, given the sheer amount of blatant manipulation, and the otherwise irreconcilable differences between polls and policy, and have taken a hard stand against it, especially in light of nearly 90,000 STRAIGHT TICKET ballots somehow not registering a presidental vote in Michigan, which is MECHANICALLY IMOPOSSIBLE via the optical scan ballots used in Detroit, and only in any way possible via manipulation at the central tabulation unit, which is currently surveilled by more than two cameras... which I have access to, and will be reviewing that footage in the next few days.

I am fully familar with the hursti hack, and with negative vote uploading, which the downballot races provide some very strong evidence of, and I have full access to District 10, 11 and 12 results and counts, so if you know anyone involved, I would strongly suggest that you instruct them to flee, as we have now arrested at least five of these cretins, not least of which is Brandon Hall, who has committed several crimes in this regard.

Do NOT think, not for a single moment, that any of me or mine, regardless of my poor health and failing life, that any of this will pass without resistance, because my current chosen successor is far, far less tolerant than I am, and will take up the banner and carry it forward regardless of any resistance, whether legalized by an illegitamate regime or no.

-Frem

Down with the Blind God!

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Friday, December 2, 2016 8:18 PM

Was there a server crash this year, Frem?



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Friday, December 2, 2016 9:33 PM

There were all manner of crashes, skips, and other irregularities, as well as strong evidence of negative vote uploading (aka Hursti Hack), and we now have figured out how the 'Red Shift' is being done.

Here's the data showing that the Red Shift is blatant evidence of manipulation.

Richard Charnin
http://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/tag/mathematical-proof-of-election
-fraud
/

Bob Fitrakis
http://freepress.org/columns/display/3/2012/1936

I note that very recently both Richard Charnin and Nate Silver have displayed behavior I can only classify as bizarre, given that Charnin has been harping on this since 1998, and now both of them are twisting and turning trying like hell to explain it all away - in a total 180 from decades of previous activity, which I find mighty suspicious.

As to the exact how of things, this is the short version of the mechanics of how this is done, Bev Harris has a longer and more detailed version but it gets kinda technical, so you can go look for that too if ya like.

Fraction Magic



HOWEVER....
Within this clip is mentioned something called a "Recorded Ballot Image" aka RBI - these machines take a screenshot of the ballot itself as a protection against data loss, corruption, power outage, etc...
AND - those can *NOT* be altered by any currently known hack.

Which means we have an audit trail, and so far the evidence is pretty damning.

Recorded Ballot Images
http://blackboxvoting.org/ballot-images/

The question is, what to DO about it... and I doubt my opinion on the matter is the right course, cause I am all for hauling out the guillotenes.

-Frem
I do not serve The Blind God.

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Friday, December 2, 2016 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Which means we have an audit trail, and so far the evidence is pretty damning. . . .

The question is, what to DO about it... and I doubt my opinion on the matter is the right course, cause I am all for hauling out the guillotines.

-Frem

As of today, Hillary leads Donald Trump in the popular vote by 2.56 million. In the three key swing states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin that gave him his victory, Trump's combined lead is less than 80,000 votes. By any measure you can think of, Trump has the narrowest victory of any president in the last century; the smallest mandate; and is by far the least liked.
http://cookpolitical.com/story/10174

To hold onto his lead, attorneys for President-elect Donald Trump have moved to block the vote recount in Pennsylvania, adding to complaints filed to stop similar proceedings in Michigan and Wisconsin.

The filing comes on the heels of the Trump camp's complaint reported earlier Thursday in Michigan dismissing Green Party candidate Jill Stein's claims of impropriety during the 2016 presidential race, and a day after the the Wisconsin Republican Party logged a complaint with the Federal Election Committee arguing that Stein was seeking to benefit Democratic Party nominee Hillary Clinton.

Trump really does not want any proof he lost. Stopping every recount stops the proof.

www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-pennsylvania-recount-232103?cmpid
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Friday, December 2, 2016 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by G:
I will probably get sh*t for this and I don't care, but I wouldn't show SIGNYM too many of your cards if I were you.
Commence SIGGY "I do declare!" phony outrage in 3... 2... 1...

How about this outrageous suggestion? Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin have a runoff election. Since Trump's cabinet appointments have shown how he will govern ("personnel is policy") he might not win.

Or this outrageous suggestion? In states where no candidate received a 50% majority (Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, once again) the electoral votes are assigned proportional to the popular vote, rather than 100% to a single candidate.

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Saturday, December 3, 2016 2:15 AM


None too worried about the opposition knowing the why and how, given the intel we have in hand already it's too damn late for them to do anything about it but whine, even if they somehow roadblock the official recounts, the work will go on and this evidence will remain a sword of damocles hanging over the bastards for all time.

Now as I might have mentioned, most people in MI vote a straight ticket, especially Detroit, and this was the first clue something fishy was going on.
http://www.alternet.org/why-trump-fighting-so-hard-stop-recount-michig
an

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On Monday, the Michigan Board of State Canvassers certified that Trump won by 10,704 votes, or a margin of just 0.22 percent of the total vote. But computer scientists and election experts have raised serious concerns about election results in papers filed for the Wisconsin recount. These include the vulnerability of voting machines that can be breached without detection and have a tendency to misread ballot markings. In Michigan, there were 75,335 under-count tallies—votes that machines did not record as selecting anyone for president—nearly double the amount recorded in 2012.

It wasn't just the undercount, which of itself is strong evidence of a Hursti Hack, it was the fact that this happened with STRAIGHT TICKET BALLOTS.
That's a binary decision, one box, or one other box, on the ballot and stick it in, and thus it is, as I said, mechanically impossible for this to happen - either the machine accepts the vote and all party candidates on it, or it rejects it and spits it out, period.

So the ONLY way this could happen with a straight ticket ballot, is if there was manipulation at the central tabulator, and right now we're working on tracking who had access, when they came and left, and comparing that to a timed evolution of the vote (simulated) whereupon we will probably know who it was even if we can't convince partisan state authorities to issue a warrant.

The other way it can happen is on a non straight ticket ballot, and a machine that is badly calibrated and only picks up part of a ballot, but that would also generate all sorts of errors and fault codes on site, thus calling attention to the machine and very likely getting it pulled for service.

Anyhows, straight ticket is like a light switch, it's on or it's off, and when you have those ballots recording votes for all the downballot candidates, but not for president, that's the smoking gun right there.

Oh, and why we have so much evidence not yet available elsewhere, is that we've been laying the groundwork for this since 2012, in preparation for just this sort of eventuality....
And it matters not to the mouse if the trap makes noise AFTER the bar has landed on it's neck, ya ?

-Frem

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Saturday, December 3, 2016 6:30 AM

Way to stand up to The Man!






Never give up, never surrender!






You know what you got to do. Fight the good fight!

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Saturday, December 3, 2016 8:14 AM


Arrogance, complacency and not taking ones opposition seriously are bad mistakes to make... and right now bricks are being shat at every GOP headquarters nationwide.

Trump Campaign and GOP Allies in Full Legal Panic as Recounts Could Create Electoral College Crisis
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/trump-campaign-and-gop-allies-fu
ll-legal-panic-recounts-could-create-electoral-college


selected highlights...

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However, it is the Pennsylvania lawsuit, filed by that state's Republican Party and the Trump campaign, which shows the most hypocrisy. The Greens' recount has faced the roughest going in that state. The Secretary of the Commonwealth, Democrat Pedro Cortes, and other top elected Democrats are not on board. That’s prompted the Greens to file petitions signed by voters representing hundreds of the state’s 9,163 precincts, for a citizen-initiated recount. The Green Party also filed a lawsuit seeking to preserve the right to argue for a state-ordered recount once the results of its smaller effort are known.

Since filing last week, county election offices have been turning in official results and Trump’s lead has been cut by a third from more than 70,000 to 46,435 votes. It is now within 0.2% of triggering an automatic statewide recount.

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The Greens issued an update on Friday listing the vote count anomalies they are hoping a recount will clarify. In Wisconsin, they noted that two-thirds of the counties are doing hand-counts of paper ballots, which is this only way to check against machine-induced errors. One of those counties, Ottagamie, where observers noticed that an early tabulation counted 1,500 more votes than actual ballots cast, will not be doing a hand count, which is very frustrating to election integrity activists.

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Their update said “there are a number of statistical irregularities in voting data, which merit heightened scrutiny given the historic level of concern over hacking during this election:

“Wisconsin: Three counties saw large discrepancies in votes between 2012 and 2016, with the margin of victory for Donald Trump in some cases being ten-fold higher than the GOP’s average in the last four presidential elections.

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“Michigan: More than 75,000 Michiganders cast no vote for president in the 2016 election—almost twice as many 'under-votes' than were cast in the 2012 election (49,840). The high number is a red flag, especially when considering that these 'under-votes' were concentrated in the heavily Democratic precincts of Detroit.”


Annnd so forth and so on, red flags abound, evidence is being collected and that razor thin margin is rapidly shrinking with every precinct re-counted, and so it is almost a given at this point that MI, then WI will flip to blue, and then the fight will go tooth and claw in PA.

Ole Billy Boy Schuette is already gonna face a reckoning for covering Snyders ass over poisoning Flint, and it doesn't look too good for that vulture Snyder either, but trying to block the recount for obvious partisan purposes, from an office that is supposed to be impartial.. is steadily ruining his credibility as state AG, and if he's hoping for anything like gratitude out of the schmucks he's trying to bail out here, he's outta luck.

As to more, erm, mundane methods, wellll... the usual crowd of GOP bullyboys isn't much of a hinderance when we got a bakers dozen of hefty ex marines fully on-side with this, and they got no use for such pettifoggery as "reasonable force".. as one of them so adeptly put it, marines don't DO 'reasonable' - so far nobody has been dumb enough to push that issue with them, and that's in addition to the obligatory pack of bullygirls with more loyalty than good sense.

There's some other factor or faction doing much the same pushing in WI, and definately one in Lancaster PA, although there doesn't seem to be any coordination between them, or even between them and Green or Democratic parties, f

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Saturday, December 3, 2016 5:35 PM

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I will probably get sh*t for this and I don't care, but I wouldn't show SIGNYM too many of your cards if I were you.
Commence SIGGY "I do declare!" phony outrage in 3... 2... 1...

TYPICAL BULLSHIT

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How about this outrageous suggestion? Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin have a runoff election. Since Trump's cabinet appointments have shown how he will govern ("personnel is policy") he might not win.

Or this outrageous suggestion?

Yes, it is.

Has anyone even READ FREM'S link?

FREM, have YOU read your link??

I DOUBT IT.

Because, in the very same link that Frem provided (Which went on and on about the 2004 and 2008 elections) when I went looking SPECIFICALLY for the 2016 election discussion, the very first thing I came across was this:

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The 2016 presidential recounts: why not add these six states?

The 2016 Election Model exactly forecast the official recorded electoral vote: 306 – 232. It also forecast the True electoral vote as 351-187 (after undecided voter allocation). Trump would win the True EV if he won six states he narrowly lost: VA NV MN NH ME CO

Which according to the models posted ON FREM'S LINK, is what should have happened: TRUMP SHOULD HAVE WON.

SECOND, if you're going to question the integrity of the vote, then you should question the integrity of ALL close votes, including the ones that Trump lost by a small margin, and not just the ones that Hillary lost. But I have to say, you have NEVER been unbiased or objective, so why not continue the tradition, eh?
to you, SECOND!

Having scanned FREM'S linked 2016 documents, it has a SERIOUS flaw: It uses the Gallup Poll as its baseline. There was a lot of discussion about polling, and the Gallup Poll's methodology was so seriously flawed as to not even be credible this year.


And, BTW, FREM isn't exactly unbiased or objective. His objective was to kill the Republican Party first, and then move on to the Dems.

I got news for you, FREM, you're not about to "kill" the Republican Party. And the problem isn't "Dem" versus "GOP", since both parties are fully corrupted. Hillary is not worth all of your spittle and outrage. She would have turned on you in a heartbeat, but you're just too blind to see it.

The DNC should not have run such a corrupt candidate. Bernie would have won. But because of CORRUPT politics (you should look at Hillary donor list, FREM) the DNC and Debbie Wasserman Schultz specifically went with the money. That was their undoing: their faithlessness to the working people of the USA, NOT the vote and vote-counting shenanigans that go on.

Sure, we need to clean up our voting system, but not home in on JUST the votes "we don't like".



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