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Just to drive the point home - and using FREM'S favorite phrase - I'm going to "call BULLSHIT" on FREM.
Here is the "intro" to FREM'S LINK
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The 2016 Democratic primaries have finally awakened the public to Election Fraud. Millions of voters who were unaware or in denial came to realize that our election system was rigged and that the mainstream media is complicit in covering up Election Fraud.
The media and its cadre of exit poll naysayers in the corporate media don’t dare mention the third-rail of American politics – election fraud. The media pundits remain silent on electronic vote rigging. They maintain that the exit polls are inaccurate and call truth-seeking activists conspiracy buffs.
The media is silent on the 2015 Year in Elections report, an independent research project by 2,000 elections experts from Harvard University and the University of Sydney. The report ranked the United States dead last in electoral integrity among established Western democracies in evaluating the integrity of 180 national parliamentary and presidential contests held July 1, 2012 to December 31, 2015 in 139 countries worldwide.
This book focuses largely on exit polls since they are the focus of virtually all naysayer arguments. But cumulative vote share analysis is based on actual vote counts and is a companion method. The two mathematical methods confirm each other and overwhelmingly prove election fraud. The State Department relies on exit polls in elections overseas to check for fraud if the discrepancies exceed 2%. There is no such check in the U.S.
Overwhelming evidence shows that Sanders won the primaries, despite the 3 million Clinton vote margin repeated endlessly in the media. He won the vast majority of 18-34 year-old voters. His positions on Wall Street corruption, universal health care, eliminating student debt, etc. made him an overwhelming favorite among young voters.
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2016/10/07/77-billion-to-one-2016
-election-fraud/
So, that's Charnin's position: Bernie won the primaries.
But I already knew that.
So what about Hillary?
There are a lot of "scenarios" on Charnin's website, but from my perspective ... as a data analyst and QA person ... I find the woulda-coulda-shoulda scenarios unconvincing. I mean, so far it looks like some guy pointlessly whacking off in Excel. Charnin focuses on what MIGHT happen, as opposed to what DID happen. Data and investigation from 2000 and 2004 was a lot more convincing. I'm going to look at the website in detail, but as far as I can tell it's just a lot of Excel spreadsheets with various projections on it ... something I do quite often ... which are based on a flawed model.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
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1. Well aware Bernie won the primaries, especially since many of the same hacks and manipulations we're discussing here were also used then and much less cleverly.
However, rigging a primary isn't even necessarily illegal and there was not sufficient support to overcome obstacles to addressing the matter at that time.
That is not to say we shouldn't, or that I ain't pissed about it, just that we were unable to freakin DO it in time enough to matter.
2. Apparently you aren't paying attention, one of the problems Charnin notes is that exit poll data is "adjusted" AFTER THE FACT to make it more closely match the results, even if they have to fold, spindle and mutilate - hell, he wrote a book on it, fer cryin out loud.
What you needs be obtaining and comparing is the "raw" numbers, used before the election and crossreffed with more than one system to eliminate as much bias or skew as possible.
Come on, yer a scientist, you should know this better than I do.
3. Yes, I am well aware that Hillary is a damn crook and has nothing to offer but more of the same status quo we're fucking drowning in - hell, I consider her husband better POTUS material, which is saying something given what a sleaze he is... although that's not totally a negative since he's a charming and convincing one, and I still think he'd serve us well as a UN Ambassador, cause if anyone could schmooze that snakepit, well...
4. Do you really think anyone around here is at all unaware I have an agenda, especially when I have been up front about it the whole bloody time ?
Sheeeeit, I pointed out every step of this march to Fascism amongst the GOP long before they took it, warned and bitched about it, and have been dead-bang right on that and much else often enough that maybe you oughta listen sometimes.
And yeah, I do believe that the GOP needs to be smashed to flinders, cause every time we FAIL to do that, we get slimed with worse and worse from that quarter.
And yeah, sure, I mean to burn the Dimbulbcrats too, either by getting behind Sanders and a progressive front and steamrollering them in an internal coup, or by forming an Independant progressive faction to go head on with them and plow them under - the latter would be my preference cause what happened to Howard Dean (who I have NOT forgiven for crawling back to his betrayers) is a good example of what trying to work within that system gets ya, and the primaries another more recent one.
This ain't about Hillary, this is about keeping a lunatic con man who's a cross between PT Barnum and Mussolini from illegitimately seizing the reins of power - and if that means putting up with her awfulness, that's what it freakin means.
And coming in a close second is the integrity of our elections process as a whole, believe me, if I could GET a recount for every goddamn precinct nationwide I'd fekkin DO it, but I gotta work with what we have here.
Oh, and just as an aside, this first past post system is bullshit and it sucks, we really need to push for an IRV system and open the door for actual representation.
-Frem
I do not serve The Blind God.
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FREM, you posted and EXTREMELY one-sided snippet out of Charnin's blog, which appears to be an attempt to seriously mislead the readers here.
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Do you really think anyone around here is at all unaware I have an agenda
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especially when I have been up front about it the whole bloody time ?
Sheeeeit, I pointed out every step of this march to Fascism amongst the GOP long before they took it, warned and bitched about it, and have been dead-bang right on that and much else often enough that maybe you oughta listen sometimes.
And yeah, I do believe that the GOP needs to be smashed to flinders, cause every time we FAIL to do that, we get slimed with worse and worse from that quarter.
HOW, pray tell, are you going to "smash" the Republican party? Are you trying to get them to disband? Are you aiming for a Democratic monopoly? Are you trying to grow another party and make the Republican Party a minor third party? What's the plan? What's your endpoint? How do you know you've succeeded?
Unless you have an actual plan with an actual endpoint, you will use "smashing the Republican Party" as a ideological rationalization for all kinds of activities, yanno kind of like the government uses "fighting terrorism" to excuse a lot of IT'S actions.
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Bollocks.
Charnins entire damn blog is a decade of constant harping about this issue, it's only been very recently that he's done this out-of-the-blue sudden 180 and is trying to explain it all away, something I find extremely suspicious.
As to crushing the GOP, remember that once upon a time WWASPS was also seen as an unassailable monolith, and we all know how that turned out, don't we ?
Of course I have plans and contingencies, most of which revolve around bleeding them financially and ruining what little credibility they have left, while removing various barriers to prosecution such as is feasible.
Not an alpha strike, just a million little pinpricks.
The one key factor to the plan though is having something else on hand to prevent a Democrat monopoly cause that has it's own very obvious problems, and we have some real potential for a new progressive movement from those who supported Sanders.
And that's all I got time for, cause I gotta get down the way here to go help with the recount.
-Frem
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Bollocks.
Charnins entire damn blog is a decade of constant harping about this issue, and it swings in BOTH directions. Including his comment that Hillary "won" CA with more votes that Obama ... as in ... How the fuck is that even possible?
It's not that vote fraud isn't a concern, it's just that Charnin seems to be making a point that it's NOT JUST REPUBLICANS who are doing it, and your attempt to bamboozle people otherwise (What, you think someone wouldn't actually read your link?) is pathetic.
Maybe you have a personal stake in Obamacare. God knows you need good coverage. Or maybe you're just partisan. I can understand the one motivation, but the other is incomprehensible: The DNC scraped you and yours off, a long time ago.
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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
"If I could write inflammatory commentary to scorch the eye brows and lashes off Trump, Signym or 1kiki, I would.- SECOND"
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Riiight, so why then do almost all of these anomolies overwhelming favor the GOP ?
That's like flipping a coin a hundred times and it comes up heads ninety of em, wouldn't you be a bit suspicious of it ?
As for tampering on behalf of the DNC, ain't like we ain't seen it, NY was pretty damn obvious, as was fudging the caucases, and speakin of laughably unrealistic coin tosses...
Still doesn't overturn the massive advantage of the incestous relationships between the companies that own and produce the voting machines and their seriously fucked up and insecure software, and the GOP - we actually had a lead on that at one time via Michael Connell, who then subsequently had an ever so convenient small plane crash.
And if yer gonna accuse me of being a shill, get it right, imma friggin ANARCHIST - and in the unfortunate position of having to temporarily lay off a vile and destructive status quo in order to make a full court press upon utter madness and oblivion.
Reminds me of an old Naval joke, of sorts...
Captain: "Well, if we can get five minutes on them we can..."
Bosun: "SIR!"
Captain: "Bosun?"
Bosun: "Sir, first, get the five minutes."
And if you don't think there's a very real possibility of mushroom clouds on the horizon, you seriously underestimate how crazy some of these bastards are, ole "Mad Dog" Mattis makes Curtis LeMay and Thomas Power look downright sane in comparison, the guys as rabid as McCarthy was and even less connected to reality - towards the end of his career with CentCom they had to all but literally wall him in with saner folk to keep him from going off the rails.
(I still suspect that the producers of Star Trek: Into Darkness based Admiral Marcus off him)
And that's all I got time for as I gotta get back to providing tech assistance, a lot of the recount volunteers are elderly and not very tech-savvy, which means someone has to walk them through some of this mess, urgh.
And it's every damn bit the bloody disaster I thought it'd be, too.
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Michigan’s largest county voted overwhelmingly for Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, but officials couldn’t reconcile vote totals for 610 of 1,680 precincts during a countywide canvass of vote results late last month.
Most of those are in heavily Democratic Detroit, where the number of ballots in precinct poll books did not match those of voting machine printout reports in 59 percent of precincts, 392 of 662.
Which is another big red flag, but until we get further into this we won't know which are suspicious, glitches or just piss poor math skills on behalf of poll workers - need more evidence to sort the sheep from the goats on this one.
We do have a guy coming in from Vegas who does the cert stuff for electronic gambling machines and has some familiarity with voting systems too, although less than we'd like, and we'll see about him checking some of these machines out under the watchful eyes and cameras of state officials.
-Frem
I do not serve The Blind God.
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Quote:Cites please? I've looked at Charnin's blog and nowhere does he seem to make that contention.
Riiight, so why then do almost all of these anomolies overwhelming favor the GOP
One of the things I can't figure out is how the Democrats think that the votes were swung in favor of the GOP, especially since (I assume) that Democrats were in charge of the city voting districts. As afar as I can tell, many of the hacks require voting machine-by-voting machine, or vote-counting machine-by-vote-counting machine access. In other words, YOU HAVE TO BE THERE to reprogram the machines. If there's a Detroit/ Wayne County hack, wouldn't it be by Dems, not the GOP?
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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Time and time again, the mostly progressive american public seems to "lose" to a bunch of severely Fascist scum, and every single time the whole vote count seems to experience an almost inexplicable "Red Shift" of 5-7% at the last instant, riiiight around 11:00pm that no one can explain in any logical manner.
This would, perhaps, be explainable as a failure of polling, except and instead of the one and only time it DID NOT HAPPEN, that being 2012, and the primary culprit for that event being Anonymous, a non cell structured resistance who's only guide has ever been the individual conscience of it's own members, thus rendering it a flood of splinters rather than a big stick, and recently holding the belief that the american public truly deserves the horrors it is willing to accept without question.
Myself, I am not so sanguine, given the sheer amount of blatant manipulation, and the otherwise irreconcilable differences between polls and policy, and have taken a hard stand against it, especially in light of nearly 90,000 STRAIGHT TICKET ballots somehow not registering a presidental vote in Michigan, which is MECHANICALLY IMOPOSSIBLE via the optical scan ballots used in Detroit, and only in any way possible via manipulation at the central tabulation unit, which is currently surveilled by more than two cameras... which I have access to, and will be reviewing that footage in the next few days.
I am fully familar with the hursti hack, and with negative vote uploading, which the downballot races provide some very strong evidence of, and I have full access to District 10, 11 and 12 results and counts, so if you know anyone involved, I would strongly suggest that you instruct them to flee, as we have now arrested at least five of these cretins, not least of which is Brandon Hall, who has committed several crimes in this regard.
Do NOT think, not for a single moment, that any of me or mine, regardless of my poor health and failing life, that any of this will pass without resistance, because my current chosen successor is far, far less tolerant than I am, and will take up the banner and carry it forward regardless of any resistance, whether legalized by an illegitamate regime or no.
-Frem
Down with the Blind God!
You say "red shift" and i assume you mean a shift to the Right.
Where do you see this?
In the elections I observe I normally see a shift to the Wrong (or Left) about 3-4 hours after the polls have closed, when the Right-leaning wards have already had their vote counted, even though they are hours from the Clerk's Office. This effect occurs after the Wrong-leaning wards, which are only blocks from the Clerk's Office, have determined how many ballots need to be stuffed to compensate for the honest votes, and then submit their 140% voter turnout to confiscate the election victory.
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Right here is one of the many places he mentions it - that's kind of his whole point, that the anomolies overwhelmingly favor one side instead of being evenly distributed is very very suspicious.
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2012/06/25/election-fraud-an-intr
oduction-to-exit-poll-probability-analysis/
And yes, one would think that the Dems would be the ones trying any funny business, but it doesn't work that way in Michigan - elections are in the domain of the Secretary of State, who somehow manages to ALWAYS be a Republican, and usually "wins" by exactly 18181 votes, despite polls going massively in the other direction.
You can imagine this complicates matters, when the very officials in charge of voting integrity are more or less making damn sure it ain't.
Still workin the problem, we've found about half a dozen machines in WI with the anti-tampering seals broken, and have verified that those were broken before election day (which shoulda deadlined the machine!) and that those machines were used.
Also having issues getting the damn RBIs up there, very stubborn officials who either do not understand, or do not care, that they are public records - hell, one county tried to friggin purge them!
Also hittin my desk was an odd bit from GA, apparently DepHomeSec tried to breach the firewall protecting the voter registration base, and so clumsily that it was not only noticed, the GA Secretary of State sent em a sternly worded letter over it - be very interesting to see what the response is.
Here in MI things are kind of stalled cause the GOP prettymuch owns the legal system around here, and is using some badly written legislation to roadblock the recounting of the places that most need it - basically if the poll book doesn't match, which they don't in 60% of Detroit, that means said district cannot be recounted, despite that such flaws are WHY we need recounts in the first damn place.
There's also some low end stuff, like polling places being "accidently" equipped with the wrong kind of pens, so that the optical scan machine would record the votes as blank - lookin into that, oh yes.
And waiting for the expert to finish up the job he's on and get his ass over here to check some of these impounded machines.
-F
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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Do NOT think, not for a single moment, that any of me or mine, regardless of my poor health and failing life, that any of this will pass without resistance, because my current chosen successor is far, far less tolerant than I am, and will take up the banner and carry it forward regardless of any resistance, whether legalized by an illegitamate regime or no.
-Frem
Down with the Blind God!
Give me a moment to compose myself. I think I just had an accident in my shorts.....
Well now... AHEM!
Honestly FREM, I'm just glad that people from both sides are waking up to the fact that Voter Fraud and Election Fraud are a real thing in the first place.
Even Psycological Tactics are being used, from my experience. When I went to my local polling place there was a middle eastern kid of about 20 years old who was voting several people before me.
As if I'm supposed to believe that any kid of 20 years old doesn't understand how a voting machine works, let alone a brown skinned kid who speaks with a heavy accent, he asked out loud for everyone to hear "will it vote all Democrat if I press this button?".
Part of me really wanted to say "Why Bother? My vote is just going to cancel yours out", but I don't want anyone following me home and throwing bricks through my window. It turns out that by only around 10AM this polling place had already seen it's largest turnout EVER, and at least 3 people I talked to hadn't voted in years.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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