TRUMP - Just because.....................Naw, I just can't say it!
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Why do you accuse me of lying because of your ignorance?
Didn't you hear about previous testimony, under oath, where a software engineer admitted to inserting fraudulent code into touchscreen voting machines?
Haven't you heard about the connection between Karl Rove and tech guru Michael Connell in 2004? Didn't you know that Mr Connell died in a "plane crash" after being deposed about his vote-counting server?
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
G, THUGR, MAL4: Oh BTW, please define intelligence.
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Quote:Chomsky once replied after 9/11 to an angry, insane author: “It may be possible to disentangle some intended line of argument, but I’m not going to make the effort, and fail to see why others should. Since 1kiki evidently does not take what she is writing seriously, there is no reason for anyone else to do so. The fair and sensible reaction is to treat all of this as some aberration, and to await the return of the author to the important work that she has often done in the past.”
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Strawman, in the pantheon of DISHONEST ARGUMENTS! Your specialty.
You write about Chomsky. I write about Chomsky. So you QUOTE ME me writing about CHOMSKY and YOU write about --- Peter Thiel!
www.thenation.com/article/reply-hitchens/
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Quote:Because you believe in Trump? I am just throwing that hypothesis out there for lead in to this article:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Why do you accuse me of lying because of your ignorance?
Truth After Trump
from The Chronicle of Higher Education
www.chronicle.com/article/Truth-After-Trump/238174
Much of the disagreement about Donald Trump among American voters has to do with which sort of character he is: a lowly fraudster or a larger-than-life revaluer of values. It does not have to do with whether or not he is telling the truth. And so, frustratingly to many opponents, simply pointing out that he is speaking falsehoods can do nothing to set him back. In politics, the Bush administration’s manipulations are often said to have inaugurated a "post-truth" era, whose ascendancy has been confirmed by Trump’s campaign. But here we need to distinguish between truth and fact. In one view we have Trump, the bullshitter and con man, who plays fast and easy with the facts, not because he has any grand conception of the truth that he believes might justify his deceptions, but simply because he sees that he can say whatever he wants and get away with it, and this is fun for him. In another view, we have the Bush aide’s understanding of the mission of the president, which involves the realization of higher truths (democracy in the Middle East, for example) that are far more important than whatever particular facts happen to be the case.
That certain claims may be morally true while empirically false is an idea far older than George W. Bush. It is in play in the lexical distinction in Russian between two different sorts of truth — pravda, which in principle must be grounded in fact, and istina, which is somehow higher than fact. This distinction was inverted by the Bolsheviks, who with no apparent irony gave the name of Pravda to the newspaper that didn’t so much report on what was the case as describe what they would have liked to be the case.
A similar transcendence of the merely empirical helps to explain the reaction, in 16th-century Spain, to the fabrications of the Jesuit historian Jerónimo Román de la Higuera, author of the so-called Falsos cronicones, which purported to document the antiquity of the Christian faith in the Iberian peninsula. When it was discovered that he had made it all up, that there had been no martyrs or miracles in Spain in the first few centuries after Christ, Román de la Higuera was not denounced as a fraud, but instead the empirical falsity of his chronicles was taken as a sign of their power to convey a deeper truth. He had succeeded — by invention, by writing, by telling a story — in retrojecting Christianity into Spain’s distant past, which is surely a far greater accomplishment than simply relating facts.
But this, again, is not what Trump is doing. He is a mere bullshitter, and what comes out of his mouth has more to do with pathologies of personality than with any real vision of how the world, or America, ought to be brought into line with some super-empirical truth to which he alone has access.
Trump is a bullshitter, but the forces that have buoyed him go well beyond bullshit. His connection to whatever was left of the GOP has been severed, and he has drifted irretrievably into the arms of the alt-right, the gutter conspiracy-mongers who speak of a great global cabal, and the crowds that whoop and holler in agreement when this conspiracy is evoked, with barely a clue as to what is being claimed, let alone as to the standards of evidence that might be brought to bear to confirm or refute those claims. It is not that they have consented to buy into bullshit, but rather that they find themselves ensorcelled by an idea of truth independent of and superior to the facts. This is the same idea that turned the pseudohistorian Román de la Higuera into a popular hero, and that enabled Pravda to pretend to be delivering istina for the better part of a century. It is a powerful idea, and dangerous, and it speak
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SO, YOU DON'T INTEND TO DISCUSS YOUR OWN ARGUMENT BECAUSE IT'S TOO COMPLICATED FOR YOU
HERE'S THE RECAP
asswipe (that's you) (posting about Trump and quoting Chomsky)
“The United States is extremely lucky that no honest, charismatic figure has arisen,” Noam Chomsky went on. ..."
me in reply
Added Sep 1st, 2015
So, not about Trump.
asswipe in reply
It turns out that Noam Chomsky was right about Trump when he foresaw in Sep 1st, 2015 that the Republicans would run a charismatic figure who is such an obvious crook that he destroys himself.
me in reply
“The United States is extremely lucky that no honest, charismatic figure has arisen,” Noam Chomsky went on. ...
Is Trump in there? In Chomsky's fears that an HONEST, CHARISMATIC FIGURE might arise?
asswipe in reply
A long story for 1kiki about the "reasons" for Peter Thiel's support of Trump
And that's a strawman, asswipe, in the pantheon of DISHONEST ARGUMENTS! Your specialty.
It's a way of misrepresenting your opponent's position.
I TOLD YOU SO will be very sweet indeed, and repeated often.
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Wow. Kiki's really funny when she doesn't get her way. The internet equivalent to a toddler scream&stomp right there. LOL!
Wicked interesting news about Trump and his Russian internet connection. Also interesting that the FBI won't talk about it, though they're all into releasing ill-defined innuendo regarding Clinton. I wish this madness would be over in a week, but clearly it's going to go on for far longer. This stuff goes deep.
Not like 8th, 9th, 10th, fruitless investigation into Clinton's emails kind of fake-deep, but like a traitorous idiot racist sexist con-man got so damned close to the keys to power and how the hell did our system fail so bad to let this happen? The roots of this insanity run all through our government and our citizens. It won't be going away anytime soon, sadly.
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Actually, it's a way to ensure that second can't pretend s/he didn't post what s/he did. I've found it to be a reliably effective way to make sure second isn't able to misrepresent either my posts, or a conversation, like in this thread; and it's a good way to make sure lies don't pass by unnoticed. see below
I TOLD YOU SO will be very sweet indeed, and repeated often.
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MEANWHILE
You posted this:
You're a whore for Russia, we get that. You are whole heartedly a nut for the Drumph. You haven't been coy about it. We've noticed your obvious spread thigh position and we are well aware of the ship you're sailing.
And I posted this:
You're a whore for Russia ... You are whole heartedly a nut for the Drumph. You haven't been coy about it.
Then you should have no problem finding ample quotes supporting your claims. Because without them, you're just another liar going blah dah blah dah blah ... endlessly.
GO GIRL! FETCH!
So, any luck finding proof of your claims? Or are you lying, again?
MEANWHILE, speaking of lies you keep repeating and just can't seem to give up -
I don't need to bother to ask *again* if you are willing to do the same. I know you aren't. I know what a coward you are. Can't stand up to your own convictions. Because you're a troll and you don't really care if you're wrong as long as you get you nickel per word for your posts. pffffft. Loser. :p
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60955&mid=1
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Oh btw mal, aside from you being a chronic liar - and how does that feel?, btw - I actually did respond to your challenge - twice. Once in response and once where I quoted myself to point out to you I answered it. But you must have missed it both times, or claim to have missed it both times, either because you're insane, illiterate, or a liar. I'd want to see to that if I were you. Repeatedly missing chunks of reality that you seem to be paying attention to, or claiming that you're missing them, doesn't bode well for your mental or moral health. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60745&p=1
I TOLD YOU SO will be very sweet indeed, and repeated often.
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Wicked interesting news about Trump and his [lack of] Russian internet connection.
FBI investigations into Trump-Russia ties yield little
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/01/politics/donald-trump-russia-fbi-investi
gations/index.html
Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-dona
ld-trump.html
Quote:Except apparently to CNN and the NYT. Alas for you and Hillary!
Also interesting that the FBI won't talk about it
Quote:
though they're all into releasing ill-defined innuendo regarding Clinton. I wish this madness would be over in a week, but clearly it's going to go on for far longer. This stuff goes deep. Not like 8th, 9th, 10th, fruitless investigation into Clinton's emails kind of fake-deep, but like a traitorous idiot racist sexist con-man got so damned close to the keys to power and how the hell did our system fail so bad to let this happen? The roots of this insanity run all through our government and our citizens. It won't be going away anytime soon, sadly.
Just to clarify, what is this "this stuff" and "this insanity"? What do you think is "insane"?
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
G, THUGR, MAL4: Oh BTW, please define intelligence.
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Quote:Ahem!
Why do you accuse me of lying because of your ignorance?- SIGNY
Because you believe in Trump?
Quote:Yeah I figured you weren't serious!
I am just throwing that hypothesis out there for lead in to this article
Truth After Trump
from The Chronicle of Higher Education
www.chronicle.com/article/Truth-After-Trump/238174
Quote:I have no idea what this means. This kind of thinking is why people can convince themselves that they're bombing people to promote peace, or some such
Much of the disagreement about Donald Trump among American voters has to do with which sort of character he is: a lowly fraudster or a larger-than-life revaluer of values. It does not have to do with whether or not he is telling the truth. And so, frustratingly to many opponents, simply pointing out that he is speaking falsehoods can do nothing to set him back. In politics, the Bush administration’s manipulations are often said to have inaugurated a "post-truth" era, whose ascendancy has been confirmed by Trump’s campaign. But here we need to distinguish between truth and fact. In one view we have Trump, the bullshitter and con man, who plays fast and easy with the facts, not because he has any grand conception of the truth that he believes might justify his deceptions, but simply because he sees that he can say whatever he wants and get away with it, and this is fun for him. In another view, we have the Bush aide’s understanding of the mission of the president, which involves the realization of higher truths (democracy in the Middle East, for example) that are far more important than whatever particular facts happen to be the case.
That certain claims may be morally true while empirically false is an idea far older than George W. Bush.
Quote:
And then there is the usual gratuitous anti-Russian comment that has nothing to do with the article, but seems to be required in the media today ...
Trump is a bullshitter, but the forces that have buoyed him go well beyond bullshit. His connection to whatever was left of the GOP has been severed, and he has drifted irretrievably into the arms of the alt-right, the gutter conspiracy-mongers who speak of a great global cabal, and the crowds that whoop and holler in agreement when this conspiracy is evoked, with barely a clue as to what is being claimed, let alone as to the standards of evidence that might be brought to bear to confirm or refute those claims.
Evidence: Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/artic
le/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B
Quote:No, it's just that they realize that their lives are shit and getting shittier, that DC doesn't respond to what they need or want, that we've been ensnared in one pointless war after another, and the elite just roll along sucking up more wealth and power as they go.
It is not that they have consented to buy into bullshit, but rather that they find themselves ensorcelled by an idea of truth independent of and superior to the facts.
SECOND, it seems to me that despite having posted the same thing over and over and over, you haven't fully understood what I posted. I don't know about Trump supporters, but I know why I would vote for him, and it has nothing to do with either "believing" Trump or "believing IN Trump".
1) Hillary and Trump are MORAL EQUIVALENTS. Neither one is better or worse than the other. Hillary does not have an advantage over Trump: She lies just as much, she is just as greedy, she is just as racist, she has just as big a temper, she is just as much a misogynist ... in every regard, she is just as horrible a person.
2) HOWEVER, I give Trump the edge because he does not have a policy record advocating and promoting the bombing of brown people far away. In fact, he wants to make nice with Russia, w
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Quote:Excellent summary of your position, Signym. I think President Trump will kill Obamacare and President Hillary will not. It is about as certain as any promise can be in politics. Less certain is Hillary's chance of winning.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No, it's just that they realize that their lives are shit and getting shittier, that DC doesn't respond to what they need or want, that we've been ensnared in one pointless war after another, and the elite just roll along sucking up more wealth and power as they go.
SECOND, it seems to me that despite having posted the same thing over and over and over, you haven't fully understood what I posted. I don't know about Trump supporters, but I know why I would vote for him, and it has nothing to do with either "believing" Trump or "believing IN Trump".
1) Hillary and Trump are MORAL EQUIVALENTS. Neither one is better or worse than the other. Hillary does not have an advantage over Trump: She lies just as much, she is just as greedy, she is just as racist, she has just as big a temper, she is just as much a misogynist ... in every regard, she is just as horrible a person.
2) HOWEVER, I give Trump the edge because he does not have a policy record advocating and promoting the bombing of brown people far away. In fact, he wants to make nice with Russia, which I personally think is a great idea.
3) In addition, he is speaking out for OUR NATIONAL BORDERS. He's not one of these open-border globalist-types who want all our decisions made in a trade tribunals or an IMF boardroom in Geneva or Singapore. He speaks out against so-called "free trade" and illegal immigration.
Trump's heart may be in the right place, but he hasn't the faintest clue how to get where he wants to go. I winced, I really did, when I heard about his first hundred days. He will probably muck things up royally for the elites, which means, of course, that we peons will suffer. But when I see who is against him ... the banksters and financiers and neocons and globalists and "value signaling" liberaloids whose values place them in strange company ... well, if you can judge a person by their enemies I guess Trump isn't so bad.
Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?
Trump’s chance of winning is at 30% and climbing fast. If the election could be delayed a month, it would be almost certain he would win.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrp
romo#now
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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