TRUMP - Just because.....................Naw, I just can't say it!
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The crisis swirling around Donald Trump’s presidential campaign is unique, but there’s nothing unprecedented about congressional candidates distancing themselves from a locally unpopular presidential candidate.
Back in the 2012 cycle, for example, we had a smattering of Democrats from red states who declined to endorse Barack Obama’s reelection. At the time, the reaction within the Obama White House was to treat that as all in the game. Democrats would rather Joe Manchin represent West Virginia than a Republican, so if Manchin needs to criticize Obama now and again to stay viable, that’s politics. It’s nothing personal.
Trump’s attitude toward Republicans throwing him under the bus has been very different. In talking points circulated to campaign surrogates Sunday morning and reported by Jonathan Martin of the New York Times, Trump’s campaign is instructing its allies to punch back at Trump’s intra-party critics.
“A lot of the people who are being so critical now are the same ones who doubted him before,” read the talking points, which were forwarded by a Republican strategist. “They are more concerned with their political future than they are about the future of the country. Mr. Trump won the Primary without the help of the insiders and he’ll win the General without them, too.”
Trump himself was, as usual, even more blunt on his Twitter feed:
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
So many self-righteous hypocrites. Watch their poll numbers - and elections - go down!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/785120729364922369
This is not good politics in a conventional sense. Criticizing his intra-party rivals only serve to increase the salience of Republican Party disunity and make it more and more of a story.
But Trump himself is a thin-skinned and vindictive person, and his campaign chair, Steve Bannon, made bashing GOP congressional leaders a major sport when he was at the helm of Breitbart.com. So it’s entirely in character.
For the Republican Party as a whole, however, this is an absolute worst-case scenario. The House of Representatives map is so unfavorable to Democrats that it would take a miracle for the GOP to lose its majority. Closing out the 2016 election with a round of massive infighting is exactly just such a miracle. It’s the kind of thing you could imagine broadly demoralizing rank-and-file Republicans while confusing state parties and tanking turnout.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:GREAT!
Utah Senator Mike Lee said the Republican Party had to find another candidate or it would not win the White House.
But why does that translate to "You should vote for Hillary"? It doesn't, actually. If you really wanted Hillary to win, wouldn't you continue to want Trump in the race?
Your question is meaningless SIG. With all that has been discussed in these threads the real question is, why aren't you voting Hillary. The fact that you are not is testament to your agenda comrade.
More Than 150 Republican Leaders Don’t Support Donald Trump.
People who have been added to the Republican not backing Trump list since a tape of Mr. Trump making vulgar remarks
Kelly Ayotte, Senator of New Hampshire
Robert Bentley, Governor of Alabama
Jaime Herrera Beutler, Representative of Washington
Bradley Byrne, Representative of Alabama
Jason Chaffetz, Representative of Utah
Mike Coffman, Representative of Colorado
Barbara Comstock, Representative of Virginia
Mike Crapo, Senator of Idaho
Dennis Daugaard, Governor of South Dakota
Rodney Davis, Representative of Illinois
Cory Gardner, Senator of Colorado
Scott Garrett, Representative of New Jersey
Cresent Hardy, Representative of Nevada
Joe Heck, Representative of Nevada, running for Senate
Gary Herbert, Governor of Utah
Jon M. Huntsman Jr., Former governor of Utah
Will Hurd, Representative of Texas
Carly Fiorina, Former chief executive of Hewlett-Packard and candidate for G.O.P. nomination
Deb Fischer, Senator of Nebraska
Jeff Flake, Senator of Arizona
Jeff Fortenberry, Representative of Nebraska
John Kasich, Governor of Ohio
Steve Knight, Representative of California
Mike Lee, Senator of Utah
Frank LoBiondo, Representative of New Jersey
Mia Love, Representative of Utah
Susana Martinez, Governor of New Mexico
John McCain, Senator of Arizona
Lisa Murkowski, Senator of Alaska
George E. Pataki, Former governor of New York
Erik Paulsen, Representative of Minnesota
Tim Pawlenty, Former governor of Minnesota
Rob Portman, Senator of Ohio
Condoleezza Rice, Former Secretary of State under George W. Bush
Martha Roby, Represenative of Alabama
Tom Rooney, Representative of Florida
Brian Sandoval, Governor of Nevada
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Former governor of California
Chris Stewart, Representative of Utah
Dan Sullivan, Senator of Alaska
John Thune, Senator of South Dakota and chairman of the Republican Conference
Fred Upton, Representative of Michigan
Ann Wagner, Representative of Missouri
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Originally posted by second:
The crisis swirling around Donald Trump’s presidential campaign is unique, but there’s nothing unprecedented about congressional candidates distancing themselves from a locally unpopular presidential candidate.
Sorry SECOND but the degree to which the Republicans are abandoning Trump is unpresented.
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Quote:If Trump does a good job, tonight, his endorsers will stabilize. If Trump implodes in the second debate as he did in the first, GOP politicians will dis-endorse him in numbers never seen before. It will then become Trump's Second Battle of Fort Fisher with him and the Confederate States of America beaten by the Yankee Hillary of NY.
Originally posted by THGRRI:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The crisis swirling around Donald Trump’s presidential campaign is unique, but there’s nothing unprecedented about congressional candidates distancing themselves from a locally unpopular presidential candidate.
Sorry SECOND but the degree to which the Republicans are abandoning Trump is unprecedented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Fort_Fisher
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Trump didn't crash and burn like he did in the first debate, so that is a victory of sorts. But on substance he almost literally said nothing. Every question was used as an opportunity to attack Hillary in one way or another. She's a liar; she loves rich people; her husband is a sexual predator; she has "tremendous hate in her heart"; she wants to put coal miners out of business; she ought to be in jail; and on and on. I think it's safe to say that no one in presidential debate history has come anywhere close to being as derogatory as Trump was this evening.
No ordinary debate performance was likely to help Trump at this point, so why not shoot the moon? But it didn't work. According to CNN, debate watchers thought Hillary Clinton won the debate, 57-34 percent. CNN's focus group was something like 20-1 in favor of Clinton.
But! Trump did better than expected. He didn't spontaneously combust on stage.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I'm watching the replay right now. Yep, he's not said anything of any substance, as usual. He's not said anything new, or on point, or correct politically speaking (not politically correct).
And Hillary was evasive, but at least detailed in her responses to the questions raised.
Evasive in terms of the e-mail issue, but knowledgeable
and detailed in most of the other issues (yes, she did vote to
close the tax loop hole that Donald took advantage of).
Nothing new, more of the same, dredging up old crap
and not much else.
SGG
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Originally posted by second:
Trump didn't crash and burn like he did in the first debate, so that is a victory of sorts. But on substance he almost literally said nothing. Every question was used as an opportunity to attack Hillary in one way or another. She's a liar; she loves rich people; her husband is a sexual predator; she has "tremendous hate in her heart"; she wants to put coal miners out of business; she ought to be in jail; and on and on. I think it's safe to say that no one in presidential debate history has come anywhere close to being as derogatory as Trump was this evening.
No ordinary debate performance was likely to help Trump at this point, so why not shoot the moon? But it didn't work. According to CNN, debate watchers thought Hillary Clinton won the debate, 57-34 percent. CNN's focus group was something like 20-1 in favor of Clinton.
But! Trump did better than expected. He didn't spontaneously combust on stage.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Every question was used as an opportunity to attack Hillary in one way or another. She's a liar; she loves rich people; her husband is a sexual predator; she has "tremendous hate in her heart"; she wants to put coal miners out of business; she ought to be in jail; and on and on. I think it's safe to say that no one in presidential debate history has come anywhere close to being as derogatory as Trump was this evening.
Not true. Hillary did; and she started this. In the first debate, I was astounded by how many personal attacks she launched on Trump.
And most of them were speculative and without merit ... JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE DO ON THIS BOARD. The best example I can think of (first debate) went like this...
We saw his tax return from 1995...
And he had a loss that could (i.e might) mean he wouldn't pay taxes for almost 20 years...
Trump didn't pay taxes for 20 years...
He didn't pay taxes ....
He doesn't support our troops ....
And Trump, probably on advice of his campaign manager, didn't hit back. So now Hillary got a taste of her own medicine, in front of a wide audience. Boo hoo hoo for Hillary. She should realize that if she hits some people, they'll hit back. But her hubris has been built of by decades of her and Bill's misdeeds being covered up. Not feeling sorry for her.
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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.
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Quote:Trump admitted that he really did use that $916 million loss to offset nearly two decades of income taxes.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And he had a loss that could (i.e might) mean he wouldn't pay taxes for almost 20 years...
Trump didn't pay taxes for 20 years...
He didn't pay taxes ....
http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/second-presidential-debate-electi
on-2016/
Quote:Trump vowed to prosecute his opponent should he be elected president. And don’t forget Trump admitting that he really did use that $916 million loss to offset nearly two decades of income taxes.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And Trump, probably on advice of his campaign manager, didn't hit back. So now Hillary got a taste of her own medicine, in front of a wide audience. Boo hoo hoo for Hillary. She should realize that if she hits some people, they'll hit back.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/second-presidential-debate-electi
on-2016/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.
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https://twitter.com/ErinChack/status/785293432491274240
Trump is too hyperactive to sit in his chair when the other person is talking, so he wandered the stage. More often than not, he ended up about five feet behind Hillary Clinton, looming over her.
It's just an instinctive part of the dominance games that control his life. On the other hand, some of his dominance games were very deliberate:
Donald Trump’s campaign sought to intimidate Hillary Clinton and embarrass her husband by seating women who have accused former president Bill Clinton of sexual abuse in the Trump family’s box at the presidential debate. Officials with the Commission on Presidential Debates intervened.
www.reddit.com/r/firefly/comments/56sb2g/an_embarrassment_to_firefly_f
ans_worldwide/
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/785854588654092290
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