TRUMP - Just because.....................Naw, I just can't say it!
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The reason why I bring up Hillary's and Bill's sordid past isn't to say that Trump is ethically better than they are, but that personally and morally, as I said, they're a wash. It would be hard to decide on the basis of who is the "better" person.
And although I think that Trump has a better grasp of what Americans need (more production, less globalism) I think he doesn't have a complete grasp of how to get there.
So given that neither their ethics or their economic policies are likely to be deciding factors, what DO we decide on? Well, as I've said, not having a death-wish neocon in office is a good start. If the USA can retain it's sovereign decision-making powers and not turn them over to banks and international corporate consortiums, or not be vaporized into a wisp of radioactive ash, then I'd be willing to go tooth-and-nail over domestic policies. But the thought of MORE WAR is enough to turn me away from Hillary.
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KIKI, people need a vision. But what would heal this nation isn't what millenials want to hear. They're not going to become millionaires via the internet or change the world with essential oils or have the next Great Idea. Individualism isn't the ONLY goal of society, and endlessly checking in with Instagram and Twitter and FB isn't going to make our economy or society progress. We're not going to do anything to stop ourselves from heating up the planet to unlivable temperatures because we've been told that it's our god-given right to be completely passive and self-centered consumers.
We CAN fix this nation, but it would take such a major reorientation of assumptions and goals it would be hard to imagine that ever coming about.
Still, FWIW this is what I think is necessary:
Withdraw from all current "free trade" agreements
Tariff imports (variable tariffs)
Create a true national Central Bank, not The Fed
Raise interest rates
Require progressively greater and greater bank capitalization, until we approach 100%
Reintroduce Glass Steagal; disallow any savings banks from investing in derivatives and other complex financial "products"
Develop a reindustrialization and infrastructure regeneration policy by allowing our newly-nationalized Central Bank and attendant State Banks to loan - at low interest rates - to environmental restoration, infrastructural renovation, and re-industrialization
Create Post Office banks
Simplify the tax code; tax the wealthy at higher effective rates than the middle class
Implement the following all-or-nothing immigration reform:
A path to citizenship to all current illegal immigrants (provided they learn English and haven't broken any laws except immigration laws, and have bee resident since the last amnesty) and PROVIDED that we
Make English the official language
Abolish the 14th Amendment to make American citizens the children of American citizens, and disallow "birthright" citizenship
Adopt a non-interventionist foreign policy, not only in Central and South America but all over the world
Adopt a no-first-use nuclear policy, and renegotiate continued reduction in nuclear weapons
Over time, withdraw troops from, and close bases in, nations all over the world
Create a true national healthcare system
Reinvest in education, especially in impoverished areas
Fire most of the current NSA, CIA and State Department staff
Of course, in order to do this the top 0.01% would have to become politically disabled. Since almost everyone - including liberals- are so smitten with the uber-wealthy,I doubt there would be political will to do even a fraction of what is necessary, and any major political figure who attempted this would be assassinated.
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What will President Trump do with a majority in the House and 60 Senators?
1. Huge tax cuts for the wealthy.
2. Savage cuts in aid to the poor.
Hillary won’t. Those two differences makes my decision easy.
If I was a different person, I'd be complaining that my taxes are too high and the poor need to improve their skills and get a job, any job at low wages, and stop being a burden on wealthy me. I don’t have 1kiki’s and Signym’s complex concerns:
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Creating a new paradigm isn't impossible, just very difficult. You have to have a vision that speaks to people's issues. You have to have a plan to carry out your vision. And you have to publicly put yourself on the line for it, so people know you're walking your talk.
What do you think HRC should do to galvanize people?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The reason why I bring up Hillary's and Bill's sordid past isn't to say that Trump is ethically better than they are, but that personally and morally, as I said, they're a wash. It would be hard to decide on the basis of who is the "better" person.
So given that neither their ethics or their economic policies are likely to be deciding factors, what DO we decide on?
Of course, in order to do this the top 0.01% would have to become politically disabled. Since almost everyone - including liberals- are so smitten with the uber-wealthy,I doubt there would be political will to do even a fraction of what is necessary, and any major political figure who attempted this would be assassinated.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The reason why I bring up Hillary's and Bill's sordid past isn't to say that Trump is ethically better than they are, but that personally and morally, as I said, they're a wash. It would be hard to decide on the basis of who is the "better" person.
Yeah but he's not. He's much worse. The guy is morally bankrupt. So bull Sig, bull. You're selling your propaganda but no one is buying. 17 pages in this thread alone and not one convert. You even suggesting this shows you're morally bankrupt yourself; sad.
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The hallmark of a skilled politician is the ability to speak to a group of people holding widely disparate views, and have all of them walk away believing they heard what they wanted to hear. Other than Bill Clinton, I've personally never seen a politician even in the same league as Barack Obama when it comes to that ability. His most consequential speeches are shaped by their simultaneous affirmation of conflicting values and even antithetical beliefs, allowing listeners with irreconcilable positions to conclude that Obama agrees with them.
The highly touted speech Obama delivered on US terrorism policy was a master class in that technique. If one longed to hear that the end of the "war on terror" is imminent, there are several good passages that will be quite satisfactory. If one wanted to hear that the war will continue indefinitely, perhaps even in expanded form, one could easily have found that. And if one wanted to know that the president who has spent years killing people in multiple countries around the world feels personal "anguish" and moral conflict as he does it, because these issues are so very complicated, this speech will be like a gourmet meal.
While the last president exuded a cowboyish certainty, this president is constantly examining his conscience in public — but if their policies are basically the same, the latter is no less of a performance. And there are ways in which it may be a more fundamentally dishonest one, because it perpetually promises harmonies that can't be achieved and policy shifts that won't actually be delivered.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/27/obama-war-on-terror-spee
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What will President Trump do with a majority in the House and 60 Senators?
60 Senators? Really? Where did you get THAT number? Minds based in reality want to know!
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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Since I don't have time to wait around for a reply, in any case, current projections are that republicans will lose either 4 or 5 senate seats. So all that twaddle about Trump in the WH and republicans with 60 Senate seats is just nonsense.
Can we PLEASE have a discussion at least SOMEwhat based in reality? Is that too much to ask?
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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What's the meme that people can engage with?
For FDR it was the New Deal. For JFK it was the race to be first on the moon, to achieve great things. For Obama it was 'Hope and Change', but then, he was a corporate shill and Constitution-busting neo-con in democrat clothing who rightfully lost Congress and governorships galore when it became apparent he intended to keep zero of his promises - halfway through his first term.
On the flip side for Reagan - the democrats took as real hit halfway through his second term and haven't recovered since - it was It's Morning Again in America
We CAN fix this nation, but it would take such a major reorientation of assumptions and goals it would be hard to imagine that ever coming about.
Still, FWIW this is what I think is necessary:
Withdraw from all current "free trade" agreements
Tariff imports (variable tariffs)
Create a true national Central Bank, not The Fed
Raise interest rates
Require progressively greater and greater bank capitalization, until we approach 100%
Reintroduce Glass Steagal; disallow any savings banks from investing in derivatives and other complex financial "products"
Develop a reindustrialization and infrastructure regeneration policy by allowing our newly-nationalized Central Bank and attendant State Banks to loan - at low interest rates - to environmental restoration, infrastructural renovation, and re-industrialization
Create Post Office banks
Simplify the tax code; tax the wealthy at higher effective rates than the middle class
Implement the following all-or-nothing immigration reform:
A path to citizenship to all current illegal immigrants (provided they learn English and haven't broken any laws except immigration laws, and have bee resident since the last amnesty) and PROVIDED that we
Make English the official language
Abolish the 14th Amendment to make American citizens the children of American citizens, and disallow "birthright" citizenship
Adopt a non-interventionist foreign policy, not only in Central and South America but all over the world
Adopt a no-first-use nuclear policy, and renegotiate continued reduction in nuclear weapons
Over time, withdraw troops from, and close bases in, nations all over the world
Create a true national healthcare system
Reinvest in education, especially in impoverished areas
Fire most of the current NSA, CIA and State Department staff
Of course, in order to do this the top 0.01% would have to become politically disabled. Since almost everyone - including liberals- are so smitten with the uber-wealthy,I doubt there would be political will to do even a fraction of what is necessary, and any major political figure who attempted this would be assassinated.
Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
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The reason why I bring up Hillary's and Bill's sordid past isn't to say that Trump is ethically better than they are, but that personally and morally, as I said, they're a wash. It would be hard to decide on the basis of who is the "better" person.- SIGNY
Yeah but he's not. He's much worse.- THUGR
“I was 35 years old when Bill Clinton, Ark. Attorney General raped me and Hillary tried to silence me."
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Juanita Broaddrick: ‘Hillary has to be made accountable’
WASHINGTON
Juanita Broaddrick, who accused former President Bill Clinton of assaulting her nearly four decades ago, said this week that Hillary Clinton needs to be held accountable for the comments she made about the women who accused her husband of sexual misconduct.
“It’s degradable...she needs to be held accountable for all of the things she did to us,” Broaddrick told AM560 “The Answer” hosts Dan Proft and Amy Jacobson for Upstream Ideas.
Broaddrick, a former Arkansas nursing home administrator who worked on Bill Clinton’s gubernatorial campaign and supports Donald Trump this year, said she decided to speak out about Hillary Clinton after she tweeted last year that sexual abuse victims had a right to be believed.
Every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed, and supported. https://t.co/mkD69RHeBL
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) November 23, 2015
“I did not set out to do this. I did not start out supporting Donald Trump,” Broaddrick said in the interview. “I was only responding to a tweet Hillary Clinton sent out about all victims of sexual abuse should come forward and be believed...“Shame on her. Her of all people should not make that comment.”
In January, Broaddrick tweeted: “I was 35 years old when Bill Clinton, Ark. Attorney General raped me and Hillary tried to silence me. I am now 73....it never goes away.”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article10
5838942.html#storylink=hpdigest
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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.
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Add... "Raise the minimum wage" to the above list
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KIKI - Just to get back to your estimations of where the Senate and WH are going to be after Nov 8, it seems as if Congress could stonewall a Republican President as easily as it could stonewall a Democratic one.
Which leaves the President, whoever it is, a few avenues of (almost) sure-fire authority:
Foreign policy
Military authority as Commander-in-Chief
Regulatory changes through administration authority
Executive orders.
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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
The reason why I bring up Hillary's and Bill's sordid past isn't to say that Trump is ethically better than they are, but that personally and morally, as I said, they're a wash. It would be hard to decide on the basis of who is the "better" person.- SIGNY
Yeah but he's not. He's much worse.- THUGR
Quote SIG
“I was 35 years old when Bill Clinton, Ark. Attorney General raped me.
This is one of the reasons you have no credibility and come off looking like a nut. There are thousands more posts in these threads by you that also reinforce you being nuts.
Despite all your experience in mounting an argument you can't seem to learn that cutting and pasting extreme and false narratives is a losing strategy. And it is why nobody has to read the book length posts you are known for. There are always things in your posts others can point to that make you look stupid. Many times you even underline them and make them easy to find.
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