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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria

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1KIKI

Sunday, September 25, 2016 4:45 AM

So HEY THERE THUGGR - STUPID CRAZY LYING FUCKING ASSHOLE!

Yeah - THAT'S YOU!

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

1KIKI

Sunday, September 25, 2016 4:47 AM

MEANWHILE -

The magic disappearing 'news' about Russian/ Syrian airstrikes on the aid convoy.

http://www.unocha.org/top-stories/all-stories/syria-unsarc-convoy-hit-
urum-al-kubra-northwest-aleppo-city
'Airstrkes' phrasing deleted.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2016/09/20/UN-warns-S
yria-aid-convoy-attack-could-be-war-crime-.html
The United Nations on Tuesday has backtracked and amended its language when it said that the aid convoy in Syria’s Aleppo was “attacked” instead of it being targeted through “air strikes,” a spokesman said. “We are not in position to determine whether these were in fact air strikes,” the spokesman added.

THGRRI

Monday, September 26, 2016 12:14 AM

Shit 1kiki, you're going to hurt yourself. Wow, did I do that to you. I'm so sorry. Hey I have something that'll cheer you up. It's my impression of you.

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1KIKI

Monday, September 26, 2016 12:17 AM

THGRRI

Monday, September 26, 2016 2:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

MEANWHILE - The magic disappearing 'news' about Russian/ Syrian airstrikes on the aid convoy.

Airstrkes' phrasing deleted.

The United Nations on Tuesday has backtracked and amended its language when it said that the aid convoy in Syria’s Aleppo was “attacked” instead of it being targeted through “air strikes,” a spokesman said. “We are not in position to determine whether these were in fact air strikes,” the spokesman added.

Opps!

West Slams Russia Over Aleppo Bombings at UN Security Council

Western powers traded barbs with Russia during an acrimonious emergency meeting of the UN Security Council to halt intensive bombing of Aleppo, the center of opposition to the government of Syria’s Bashar al-Assad, without reaching agreement.

UN special envoy Staffan de Mistura said Sunday that nearly 2 million people in Aleppo, Syria’s largest city and former commercial center, are without running water following an escalation in fighting over the past few days. At least 231 civilians have been killed in violence in Aleppo and its outskirts since a truce collapsed this week, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a monitoring organization.

Western nations, including the ambassadors of France and the U.K., said the bombing of civilians in Aleppo was tantamount to a war crime.

“What Russia is sponsoring and doing is not counter-terrorism; it is barbarism,” said Samantha Power, the U.S. ambassador to the UN. “Instead of helping get life-saving aid to civilians, Russia and Assad are bombing the humanitarian convoys, hospitals, and first responders who are trying desperately to keep people alive,” she said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-25/west-slams-russia-ov
er-aleppo-bombings-at-un-security-council

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1KIKI

Monday, September 26, 2016 3:17 AM

Western nations, including the ambassadors of France and the U.K., said the bombing of civilians in Aleppo was tantamount to a war crime.

Western nations always say lots of things - that never have any evidence - and that sometimes even get retracted because of the lack of evidence.

Fallon warns Russians aid convoy airstrike could be a war crime
Russian planes dropped bombs that destroyed UN aid convoy, US officials say

The magic disappearing 'news' about Russian/ Syrian airstrikes on the aid convoy.

http://www.unocha.org/top-stories/all-stories/syria-unsarc-convoy-hit-
urum-al-kubra-northwest-aleppo-city
'Airstrkes' phrasing deleted.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2016/09/20/UN-warns-S
yria-aid-convoy-attack-could-be-war-crime-.html
The United Nations on Tuesday has backtracked and amended its language when it said that the aid convoy in Syria’s Aleppo was “attacked” instead of it being targeted through “air strikes,” a spokesman said. “We are not in position to determine whether these were in fact air strikes,” the spokesman added.

1KIKI

Monday, September 26, 2016 3:33 AM

MEANWHILE, what the UN Special Envoy said:

http://reliefweb.int/report/syrian-arab-republic/near-verbatim-transcr
ipt-press-stake-out-un-special-envoy-mr-staffan-de

New York, 22 September 2016

Let me start by saying that it was a long, painful and disappointing meeting. We were hoping and we are still hoping, of course, that this meeting could have confirmed the fact that the cessation of hostilities was and is something that can be shown as a concrete result for the Syrian people. We did not get that. What we did get is an intense discussion where there was not yet a concrete solution. The bad news is that Syrian people are still waiting to have a cessation of hostilities. The good news – if you want to hear it – is that both Russia and America agreed to continue intensely to work on a possible restoration of it. Now, let me make a point. I was there. On the 9th of September, two major countries – the Russian Federation and the US – in front of the world agreed on a good plan. The plan of the 9th of September is logical. Cessation of hostilities, humanitarian access and then addressing both the ambiguity about Al Nusra and the issue about grounding the Syrian airforce. The two major countries were again reminded again by everyone around the room – the ISSG – that they are expected to stand to their own commitment. And we know that they are working on it. But time in short. Meanwhile, what is happening is that Eastern Aleppo is under heavy attack. Meanwhile, everybody is going back to a new form of non-renewal of the cessation of hostilities but the conflict.

The next few hours – few days maximum – are crucial for making or breaking it. I want to believe that both Moscow and Washington are working on it seriously because the alternative is going back to conflict and war.

Q: Special Envoy, the moment that you met, the Syrian Government said it was going to retake all of Aleppo. The timing wasn’t coincidence?

SdM: That was clear today. Both co-chairs have been de-facto - undermined by others, who have so far not wanted or have tried to not deliver on the cessation of hostilities. The entry point for doing that was the humanitarian access. The government made it very complicated and some of the opposition made it complicated too. Why? Because at the end of the day, the real delivery of this whole plan was and remains the (cessation of) armed opposition from Al Nusra and grounding the Syrian airforce. Can you imagine a Syria where this would be clarified? You would see a different Syria the day after and we would have convoys moving. That was undermined but the two co-chairs have the right, duty and frankly the power to actually restore that.

Q: What kept them away from reaching an agreement? It looks like such a simple process to achieve. SdM: Well, it’s more complicated than that because the two co-chairs have the power but also need to be able to exercise it. As I said, there have been spoilers on both sides.

Q: Isn’t one of the co-chairs one of the spoilers?

SdM: I will not point fingers on this. What I will say is that both of them to me look as if they are interested. They’ve worked days, weeks and hours in order to get one form of agreement that was on the 9th of September. I was there. If they didn’t want to believe in it, they could‘ve stopped much earlier. The delivery is what matters and the spoilers. But they have the power and they now also have to also make it work.

Q: What can you tell the people of Aleppo? Have the international community and diplomacy completely failed?

SdM: What I would tell the people of Aleppo is the following: What we are watching at the moment is really tragic. I know you that you may not believe anymore in a cessation of hostilities but you have to still

SIGNYM

Monday, September 26, 2016 5:50 PM

Here's the situation as I see it: The United States has ridden any number of horses - all at the same time - to get to "Assad must go" which is, let me point out, an open declaration of the intention to ILLEGALLY destroy (yet another) nation.

Those horses have included: Free Syrian Army (a group of "moderate" Syrian rebels whose avowed goal is a pluralistic democratic government), the Kurds, the Turks, al Qaida (al Nusra/ Jabhat Fatah al Sham) supported primarily by Saudi Arabia), and ISIL (supported by Qatar). Our weapons and money have gone hither and thither, to anyone who is fighting against the government of Syria. It doesn't matter whether these groups are fighting each other .... the Syrian Kurds fighting the Syrian Arabs, the Syrian/Turkish Turkomen fighting the Kurds, ISIL fighting al Nusra, and the FSA trying to fight them both... as long as they share at least one common goal, which is that "Assad must go". Since these groups are fundamentally representing different directions, a unified peaceful secular nation would seem to be impossible if ANY of these groups attains power.

Obama doesn't seem to be "anti war" as much as he is "anti EXPENSIVE war". So no more 500,000 boots on the ground, his answer is CHEAP war, which means drone war, proxy war, covert war, and political/informational war (CIA/State). The reason why he didn't bomb Syria over "chemical warfare" wasn't that he needed assurance of the findings (He already knew that it wasn't Assad) or that he wanted to maintain good relations with Syria or follow international law. No, the problem was those Russian destroyers athwart the Syrian coast. I've given up on the thought that Obama is just a hapless President, hostage to neocon deceptions. I think he's just been playing "good cop" to the CIA's "bad cop".

Speaking of cease-fires: In the two most recent cessation of hostilities, the "moderate opposition" was supposed to separate itself from the terrorists. The USA was supposed to provide Russia and Syria the locations of the so-called "moderate opposition" so they wouldn't be bombed, but the FSA never separated itself out from ISIL or al Qaida, and the USA never provided coordinates. The "rebels" and their foreign extremist partners simply took that time to re-arm (with USA weapons) and to regroup.

It will be interesting to see, when all is said an done, how many of those claims of Russian and Syrian "war crimes" hold up. Many of the claims are sourced in individuals ("eyewitnesses") who are likely not neutral parties. And while western press constantly claims that Russia and Syria have bombed (yet another) hospital, I doubt that there are that many hospitals in existence. I suspect that MANY of these "hospitals" are informal clinics which are not identified to either Syria or Russia or marked for easy identification from the air.

I have no doubt that civilians are being killed, and it's unfortunate that the so-called "moderate rebels" have refused both aid and safe-passage for non-combatants in their areas of control. The other thing is, I wonder about the accuracy of the intelligence behind targeting decisions. I read an interesting analysis that Russia doesn't have the equivalence of an AWACS (and if Russia doesn't, Syria surely doesn't either) so there isn't real-time radar/electronic information available; for example, no identification of electronic signal "hotspots" indicating a militant communications center. I suspect- but don't know for sure- that much of the targeting is visual/ from the air. Also, the Russians use semi-dumb bombs. I doubt that civilian populations are deliberately targeted, but the "moderate opposition" may be using civilians as shields, and there may be a lot of mistaken targeting and/or inaccurate bomb drops.

I've been watching the situation and, as you may have g

SIGNYM

Tuesday, September 27, 2016 2:53 AM

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In a stunning allegation, one which would lead to dramatic gepolitical implications, the speaker of the People's Council of Syria said on Monday that the Syrian intelligence possesses an audio recording of conversation between Islamic State terrorists and the US military taken just prior to the Washington-led coalition's airstrikes on the government troops near Deir ez-Zor on September 17 which left over 60 Syrian troops dead.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-26/syria-claims-have-recording-c
onversation-between-isis-and-us-military-strike-syrian-

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THGRRI

Tuesday, September 27, 2016 2:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
In a stunning allegation, one which would lead to dramatic gepolitical implications, the speaker of the People's Council of Syria said on Monday that the Syrian intelligence possesses an audio recording of conversation between Islamic State terrorists and the US military taken just prior to the Washington-led coalition's airstrikes on the government troops near Deir ez-Zor on September 17 which left over 60 Syrian troops dead.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-26/syria-claims-have-recording-c
onversation-between-isis-and-us-military-strike-syrian-

First, news from zerohedge means anonymous ( without any name )source. Second,

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