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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 6:53 PM


Why the recent developments in Syria show that the Obama Administration is not "agreement-capable"

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The latest developments in Syria are not, I believe, the result of some deliberate plan of the USA to help their “moderate terrorist” allies on the ground, but they are the symptom of something even worse: the complete loss of control of the USA over the situation in Syria and, possibly, elsewhere. Let me just re-state what just happened:

First, after days and days of intensive negotiations, Secretary Kerry and Foreign Minister Lavrov finally reached a deal on a cease-fire in Syria which had the potential to at least “freeze” the situation on the ground until the Presidential election in the USA and a change in administration (this is now the single most important event in the near future, therefore no plans of any kind can extend beyond that date).

Then the USAF, along with a few others, bombed a Syrian Army unit which was not on the move or engaged in intense operations, but which was simply holding a key sector of the front. The US strike was followed by a massive offensive of the “moderate terrorists” which was barely contained by the Syrian military and the Russian Aerospace forces. Needless to say, following such a brazen provocation the cease-fire was dead.

The Russians expressed their total disgust and outrage at this attack and openly began saying that the Americans were “??????????????????”. What that word means is literally “not-agreement-capable” or unable to make and then abide by an agreement. While polite, this expression is also extremely strong as it implies not so much a deliberate deception as the lack of the very ability to make a deal and abide by it. For example, the Russians have often said that the Kiev regime is “not-agreement-capable”, and that makes sense considering that the Nazi occupied Ukraine is essentially a failed state.

But to say that a nuclear world superpower is “not-agreement-capable” is a terrible and extreme diagnostic. It basically means that the Americans have gone crazy and lost the very ability to make any kind of deal. Again, a government which breaks its promises or tries to deceive but who, at least in theory, remains capable of sticking to an agreement would not be described as “not-agreement-capable”. That expression is only used to describe an entity which does not even have the skillset needed to negotiate and stick to an agreement in its political toolkit. This is an absolutely devastating diagnostic.

I think its indicative of a profound split between Obama and the neocons in the CIA/State Department. Obama is not in control of his own administration, IMHO.

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Next came the pathetic and absolutely unprofessional scene of US Ambassador Samantha Powers simply walking out of a UNSC meeting when the Russian representative was speaking. Again, the Russians were simply blown away, not by the infantile attempt at offending, but at the total lack of diplomatic professionalism shown the Powers. From a Russian point of view, for one superpower to simply walk out at the very moment the other superpower is making a crucial statement is simply irresponsible and, again, the sign that their American counterparts have totally “lost it”.

Finally, there came the crowning moment: the attack of the humanitarian convey in Syria which the USA blamed, of course, on Russia. The Russians, again, could barely believe their own eyes. First, this was such a blatant and, frankly, Kindergarten-level attempt to show that “the Russians make mistakes too” and that “the Russians killed the cease-fire”. Second, there was this amazing statement of the Americans who said there are only two air forces which could have done that – either the Russians or the Syrians (how the Americans hoped to get away with this in an airspace thoroughly controlled by Russian radars is beyond me!). Somehow, the Americans “forgot” to mention that their own air force was also present in the region, along with the air forces of many US allies.

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 6:56 PM

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"Depriving children of water puts them at risk of catastrophic outbreaks of waterborne diseases and adds to the suffering, fear and horror that children in Aleppo live through every day."
So, will the "rebels" allow UN-monitored aid, including deliveries of water? Or will they once again refuse to accept aid from the "wrong" routes, and then burn it up once it arrives?

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 7:01 PM

You just keep trolling for Russia SIG. You're not very good at it but there's no denying it any longer. You are earning overtime now.

Do us a favor would you. Would you stop cutting and pasting large amounts of garbage, 99.999 percent of which serves no purpose. One only has to read the first few lines to see you are posting bullshit again.

Are you capable of independent thinking?
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Saturday, September 24, 2016 7:09 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So, will the "rebels" allow UN-monitored aid, including deliveries of water? Or will they once again refuse to accept aid from the "wrong" routes, and then burn it up once it arrives?




Sorry, I had to preserve this because it is beyond stupid.

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 7:19 PM

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So, will the "rebels" allow UN-monitored aid, including deliveries of water? Or will they once again refuse to accept aid from the "wrong" routes, and then burn it up once it arrives?- SIGNY
Sorry, I had to preserve this because it is beyond stupid. - THUGR



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And I had to preserve THIS, because it is beyond stupid. At some point, you're going to feel as stupid about this as you did about Iraq's phantom WMD.

So, did you read my post (several up) where I extensively quoted "rebel friendly" media about how they rejected aid and safe passage routes for "their" population? You can hardly call it "Russian propaganda" since it is US-funded, staffed with anti-Assad Syrians, and based in Jordan.

Or are you going to plug your ears and hum "RussianpropagandaRussianpropagandaRussianpropaganda" to drown out the sound of reality? Again? The situation is more complex than you seem to realize.



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Saturday, September 24, 2016 8:16 PM

Excellent BBC report on Russia's/Assad's terror bombing of Aleppo - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/37456005

The intensity of the bombing is on an unprecedented scale for this war. Makes me think Putin has a Grozny-style solution in mind for the city.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1999%E2%80%932000)


"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 8:21 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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So, will the "rebels" allow UN-monitored aid, including deliveries of water? Or will they once again refuse to accept aid from the "wrong" routes, and then burn it up once it arrives?- SIGNY
Sorry, I had to preserve this because it is beyond stupid. - THUGR



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And I had to preserve THIS, because it is beyond stupid. At some point, you're going to feel as stupid about this as you did about Iraq's phantom WMD.

So, did you read my post (several up) where I extensively quoted "rebel friendly" media about how they rejected aid and safe passage routes for "their" population? You can hardly call it "Russian propaganda" since it is US-funded, staffed with anti-Assad Syrians, and based in Jordan.

Or are you going to plug your ears and hum "RussianpropagandaRussianpropagandaRussianpropaganda" to drown out the sound of reality? Again? The situation is more complex than you seem to realize.





Your news source ( the seeker ) is just a dump site for whatever people want to dump there. There is no declared author for your quoted article. You know, the one you claim comes from and I quote, " I extensively quoted "rebel friendly" media." What you mean is you cut and pasted a bunch of bullshit.

Loser

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 8:48 PM

WHO REJECTS AID AND ESCAPE ROUTES?

Western media editorialize about the Syrian government "besieging" cities, but the reality is that the Assad government has offered aid and evacuation routes which have been rejected by "local councils" (i.e. local governance groups which - judging by the black ISIL flags in the background- have probably been infiltrated by al Nusra, ISIL, or other terrorist groups)

But you don't have to take my word for it. In September

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Brita Hagi Hassan, head of the local council told Reuters he had received an aid plan but that it did not contain any details about how the operation would be carried out. He said, “The presence of the Russian side on the Castello Road [for aid delivery is not acceptable due to its lack of neutrality.”

He added that the party supervising the road must not open the shipments [for inspection], which should include fuel, medicine and flour.

It is expected that Aleppo — which is divided between areas under opposition control in the eastern part and the regime in the western part — will receive aid within the framework of the recently brokered Russian-American deal.


http://www.syrianobserver.com/EN/News/31639/Aleppo_Local_Council_Rejec
ts_Presence_Russian_Forces_Castello_Road


This isn't the first time that "rebels" have rejected UN-monitored aid. In August
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The United Nations is calling for a 48-hour ceasefire to allow food and medicine to enter the embattled city of Aleppo, but a row over which route the aid convoys are to use has brought the plan to a halt.

The UN wants to use Castello Road, the road north of Aleppo that after weeks of bombing the regime captured last month to complete its encirclement of east Aleppo.

“If Castello Road becomes an aid corridor, the regime will make it impossible for us, as the opposition, to take it back,” Muhammad Fadila, the head of the Provincial Council of Aleppo, tells Syria Direct’s Bahira al-Zarier.


http://syriadirect.org/news/which-road-to-aleppo-opposition-refuses-ai
d-delivery-via-castello-road
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So apparently the Aleppo local councils would rather starve their own population than allow UN-coordinated aid to their part of the city, and cry crocodile tears about it

Previous to that, in July ...
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“The regime taking control of Castello is a disaster for the people terrorists and their hostages in Aleppo,” Ammar al-Halabi, an embedded reporter with rebel brigades witnessing the battle for the access road, told Syria Direct on Wednesday. “There’s no longer anywhere to move the wounded outside of Aleppo or to bring anything to the city.”
Especially if you reject using the road if its controlled by the Syrian govt.
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On Thursday, the Syrian regime launched a campaign dropping leaflets into east Aleppo, claiming safe passage out of the 62 encircled districts, a move that local residents armed groups called an attempt to “pull the wool over the eyes of the international community.”

Helicopters dropped pamphlets over east Aleppo city—one day after at least seven airstrikes—advertising four “safe passages” for any east Aleppo resident looking to leave. Three lead in the direction of the regime-controlled portion of the provincial capital and one towards the regime-held southern countryside. Several sources on the ground told Syria Direct that not one of the four proposed passages is in fact open.

... “We’ll never leave our city [or allow anyone else to leave? -SIGNY] no matter the dozens of airstrikes nor the continuous bombings that we face,” Murad al-Halabi, an Aleppo resident in the Saladin district, told Syria Direct’s partner website The Syrian Voice.



And it's not just Aleppo. In Darayya

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After its [Syrian govt army] victory in Darayya’s southwest farms, regime authorities offered rebels safe passage to another rebel-held Damascus area if they surrendered, al-Masdar news reported the fo

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 11:30 PM

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The piece about the convoy comes from a person who calls himself The Saker (not "seeker". A saker is a large falcon.) I've found him to be well-informed about military tactics and strategies, not so much about economics. Therefore, I tend not to bring him to the board unless he;s talking about weapons and military strategy and tactics. He has podcast something of his background, which is basically unverifiable, and is currently a citizen of the USA and living in FLA.


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The Saker" is a pseudonym SIG for SOMEONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE a top level American military analyst who lives in Florida and who DOES NOT WANT TO TELL US HIS NAME. He writes a blog SIG a blog. He covers the Ukraine crisis. His articles are some of the most popular on Russia Insider.

The Russian insider is a Russia news website launched in September 2014, based in Moscow, Russia. Moscow Russia SIG. The Insider reports on political and social affairs. The independent media source aims to promote a better understanding of Russia. Its mission is media criticism and reform, underlining the issues of Western media which are seen by the founders as extremely biased, especially on Russia, The website was criticized for its pro-Russian stance. It's pro Russian stance SIG.

Criticized for it pro-Russian stance comrade troll SIG. In other words your sources are bullshit and propaganda

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Saturday, September 24, 2016 11:38 PM

Where the hell is G? He had a great time exposing your sources as shit SIG.

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