Is 2016 the year of the Third Party?
POSTED BY: JEWELSTAITEFAN
UPDATED: Thursday, June 5, 2025 14:21
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I failed to clarify a few points here.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Herez your 3rd party: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/gary-johnson-aims-to-offer-vo
ters-a-plan-c-689358915619?cid=eml_mra_20160520
I thought your link must be outdated. Gary was the candidate in 2012, and I voted for him.
But he is also the candidate for this year - excellent news. It looks like Jim Gray will not repeat as Veep Candidate.
That is the Libertarian Party.
Other parties include:
A whole pile of Socialist and Socialists and Socialist Parties.
Constitution Party - Darrell Castle and Scott Bradley
Reform Party USA - Ken Cross and Lynn Kahn (Party recovering after attempted takeover by David Duke types)
Veterans Party - Chris Keniston and Deacon Taylor
Regarding being on every ballot in every state: This is not required. See the details I mentioned in above posts.
Getting on the ballot in states like AR, TN, MD, RI, VA, NC, LA, GA, AL, MS, SC could be quite pointless for the purposes of Election 2016. They had such poor showings for Perot in 1992, 1996 that similar results this year would prove a waste of time and money.
These 11 states have a total of 107 Electoral votes. A Third Candidate would not need them to win, and therefore would not need to even campaign in these states.
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In a 3-way race the third party only needs to win a few states to throw the Election to the Congress, and only a little over a third of the Electoral Vote (with 23 states) to reasonably argue to Congress that they should be the winner, and if the Third Candidate has 269 Electoral Votes (with 25 states), they likely won't get it from any of the states just mentioned, and they would still be the winner. This means getting on the ballot in 25 states would make it possible.
Please remember that this is envisioning a 3-way race, so the goals are completely different. A Third Candidate would not need to be on the ballot in every state in order to win.
In addition to the 269 Electoral Votes from the above mentioned 25 states, there could be several other states that could be campaigned as buffer, or backup plan victories. The remaining 14 states have an Electoral Vote total of 160.
Since Johnson is former Governor of Arizona, taking that state alone would net him 11 Electoral Votes - taking the same away from the New York Liberal #1 and/or New York Liberal #2, and if a tight race, throwing the election to Congress to decide.
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Saw an interview where Gary Johnson stated that as President he would legalize Marijuana.
That might make CA, WA, CO swing to him. That is 76 Electoral Votes for the 3, or 67 votes for just CA and WA. The last time the election had a margin that could not withstand that loss, meaning Electoral total of 270 + 67 = 337. Obama only had 332.
California, when given the choice of Johnson, former Gov of neighboring Arizona versus new York Liberal #1 and New York Liberal #2, could very well go to pot legalization with Johnson.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Saw an interview where Gary Johnson stated that as President he would legalize Marijuana.
That might make CA, WA, CO swing to him. That is 76 Electoral Votes for the 3, or 67 votes for just CA and WA. The last time the election had a margin that could not withstand that loss, meaning Electoral total of 270 + 67 = 337. Obama only had 332.
California, when given the choice of Johnson, former Gov of neighboring Arizona versus new York Liberal #1 and New York Liberal #2, could very well go to pot legalization with Johnson.
In fact, if CA, WA, CO vote for Johnson due to pot, AZ for their former Gov., plus ME (where Perot came in second in 1992), and NV and OR (voted heavily for Perot), that would be 102 electoral votes subtracted from the Dems. The last time a Democrat achieved 372 Electoral Votes was LBJ in 1964, following the Kennedy assassination. Before that, 1944 for FDR's final race.
So this would definitely throw the election to Congress at the minimum, or with more states could win the election for the Libertarian Party.
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Ralph Nader on Larry King Now | Ora.TV
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Sounds like Johnson has selected running mate Mass. Gov. William Weld.
MA would carry 11 delegates, taken from the Democrap column.
I have heard things about Weld, but cannot recall them now. Who has heard, good or bad about him? Is he a strength for the Libertarian ticket? Is he also pro-Pot?
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And now Bill Kristol has announced that he is supportintg another Third Candidate, to counteract Trump.
The reasoning seems confusing.
David French is supposedly the man.
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With the Hilliary - Bernie circus about done, this means the top 2 candidates are each viewed unfavorably by more than 50% of the voters.
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Pay Attention To Libertarian Gary Johnson; He’s 10 Percent vs. Trump And Clinton
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/pay-attention-to-libertarian-gary
-johnson-hes-pulling-10-vs-trump-and-clinton/
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Pay Attention To Libertarian Gary Johnson; He’s 10 Percent vs. Trump And Clinton
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/pay-attention-to-libertarian-gary
-johnson-hes-pulling-10-vs-trump-and-clinton/
Yes.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60572
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And Hilliary fell behind Trump in OH, PA, FL. Are these the 3 states that no President has ever won a race without winning one of these 3? Or is it that they won 2 of the 3 of these?
She is winning none of them.
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-polls-ohio
-pennsylvania-florida-2016-7
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