Have Western Neo-Feminists now destoryed 'The West'?

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SIGNYM

Monday, May 2, 2016 9:15 PM

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Well presented and very true. I was married once, and she was the laziest and most selfish person I ever met. She gained over 50 pounds after marriage, quit her job, started expensive hobbies such as Maryk and pampered chef, buying so much for her family and girlfriends. Of course, these things did not start nor show until I was already trapped. She spent so much of the money I earned that we were in debt, and I made 140k a year.

Can I ask you a stupid question: Why did you get married in the first place?

More specifically, what were your expectations of your wife? Was she supposed to continue working or quit her job? If she quit her job, were you expecting her to wash and cook and clean? Or develop a hobby? Or sit around all day looking pretty, ready to be your sex-slave and arm- bauble for parties? Did you expect her to take care of your family with the same generous attitude that she took care of hers? Did you give her any agency over the family coffers? Or was she supposed to ask for money each time she purchased something?

Dude, unless you get these things straightened out BEFORE you marry, you're likely to be joined to someone who is not even heading in the same direction you are, they're heading out on a road at a 90-degree angle from you!

I blame at least half of your clusterfuck on you, dude. You married someone pretty without even looking into HER motives and morals.

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I know [sic] live comfortably with 45k a year, working part time by choice, single and do what I want without someone constantly fussing at me. I can travel and enjoy the world, go on a cruise once a year, and I still date time to time. My relationships almost always end with them deciding that our agreement that it will not be serious is no longer what they want, and they try to get me to commit to marrying them. Every freaking time. It is like a disease, women can only think about landing a guy and walking down the isle. Some have even tried to get pregnant to force my hand.

I will never marry another American woman. I have not met one that has not done some kind of sexual act with less than 5 guys,

Unfortunately, this is the kind of woman that THE MEDIA has convinced them what men want. But here I am, back to what YOU want.

So, what do you want? A near-virgin as your only (unmarried) lover? Do you want to be a dad some day? Do THEY want to be moms some day? Create a loving household and solid partnership with which to raise children?

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and that is being generously conservative on the estimate. Women do nothing but badmouth everyone else, fish for compliments, and struggle with severe insecurity. I am content with a new woman every few months, without commitment [or - delete] BUT I'll never again be in a situation where a woman owns me, such as marriage. I get a proposal from a woman at least once a year, and that is always my sign to move on. The moment you piss them off, they make some sort of comment about you being less than a man, and they get more pissed that I laugh. They can be mad all that they want, but they still will not be raiding my home, life and happiness. I think I still have a few voice mails of them flipping their shit about me not wanting to marry them. Funny as hell.

MGTOW

So your planned future is as selfish as these women's seem to be, and I'm wondering if that wasn't the problem all along: You're the equivalent of someone who doesn't want to get into a true partnership with anyone, and probably not fatherhood material. And EVEN IF you met a woman (and you probably already have) who was ready to be a steadfast contributing partner, with each of you putting into the relationship the best they could at the time and drawing from it when times were tough, that's not what you want.

You want your undisturbed life, with YOUR money and YOUR activities and YOUR games and YOUR sex, and nobody (except a nobody who is there to fulfill YOUR needs) belongs in there with you. Am I right?

I think I a

RICHIE

Monday, May 2, 2016 10:03 PM

I was injured in Iraq, so acclimating to the civilian life. I honestly never dated up to this point, aside from high school, as I was always being deployed somewhere. I went in naive to what to expect, I guess, but I assumed she would continue working, and we would make meals together, hike together and the other things of such fun. I rather expected her to be the person she was before we married. I never put up a front or played any games, and I expected none in return. We did date for more than a year, so, I assumed we worked out all of those things. But, I am sure everyone loves to blame the guy, because that is what society teaches us to do.

I am just living my life for experiencing as much as I can. I would have liked to be a dad, but those years are in the past. My time in the service was the best time for that. I simply live to enjoy life. I go into relationships with this openly. I share my ideals and thoughts of these things, and if they are in concurrence, we date. Women seem to have a hidden agenda though, and it seems to hit them around the two month mark. I take a month off, and then go into the dating world again. I never lie or coerce, but they still end up expecting that ring.

I did want a family and "the American Dream" as it were. But these women only seem to be interested in money. So, yes, I lost that care for anything more meaningful. You assault me with words, such as selfish, but where is it selfish to not allow one's self to be used. I am not their paycheck, and things will remain that way. If that is selfish, so be it.

MGTOW

SIGNYM

Monday, May 2, 2016 11:05 PM

Richie, what you say you want is a female buddy/ companion - someone that you can share life with AND have sex with, in a non-committed way.

But your motives may not be as straightforward as YOU think they are. So, for example: Are you dating well below your age? Dating younger women means that you're dating women who aren't as advanced in their careers as you are. They're probably not making as much money. They might not even be financially stable. They have less world-experience then you, and a less-mature outlook. THEY may be interested in having children, while you are not.

IF (big IF) you want a committed relationship, and you are fishing in the junior pond ... or any pond for that matter.... you had better be clear about what THEY want as well as what YOU want.

To tell the truth, your current plans don't seem to have room for a real, living, breathing human woman with plans, fears, needs, and ideas of her own. I hear about what YOU want. I'm not hearing anything about what you're offering in return, except the pleasure of your company. As you found out, you don't need to be married for that kind of relationship. And if all you're looking for is a casual relationship ... a relationship of convenience, without commitment from either side .... then don't blame women for your failure to find something more, because you aren't looking for it.

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Not that hubby and I are an ideal couple, but we match up in a lot of important ways. At times, when life shat on us undendingly, our relationship has been like foxhole mates. We usually make the same amount of money, and we're both pretty chintzy about spending it. We put the most that we can into our family at the time that we can, in terms of insight, energy, sympathy, and patience, and have relied on the other when all of that other stuff ran thin. We have a working relationship that's solid because we agree on all the major stuff. You need to know what's going to happen when life shits on you. If you're looking for THAT kind of relationship, you might need to look fairly deeply.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

RICHIE

Tuesday, May 3, 2016 12:05 AM

I date various ages. I do not know how, "I have no interest in ever getting married," is confusing, lol. Woman that I date are typically older than 32, so I do not have the child issue often, but it has come up. I refuse to date anyone younger than 30, as their is a maturity level and generation gap in interests. I like how you are trying to find a hole in this. It is simply, women lie to get what they want, men generally pack up and leave confrontation of this sort. I have never been happier, since I gave up on the illusion of a true partnership in marriage in the US. It just does not exist anymore, except on rare cases. Statistics do not lie.

MGTOW

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, May 3, 2016 10:24 AM

You generalize too much.

I married my husband while he was working at McD's. *I* bought the rings. *I* owned the mobile home he moved into. *I* have NEVER had sex with anyone other than my husband, but he has had sex with several people before me. Figured out he had Asperger's shortly after getting married, will be married 16 years this month.

You are probably looking for a woman who fills your dreams out, but marriage is 99% HARD WORK. FOR AS LONG AS YOU BOTH SHALL LIVE. FROM BOTH or it's "so long, sayonara."

RICHIE

Tuesday, May 3, 2016 4:17 PM

Indeed, it is generalization, because it is the majority by far. You would be one of the rarities, which is something like finding a diamond in a coal mine. Nothing is impossible. I have been used and lied to far too much to trust that I will find that rare gem, so I accept my circumstances, and found peace with it. I do not hate women, obviously, but I do not trust women 'generally'. I have written a song for each girl that I have dated, cook my famous chili (as every guy probably has their own recipie) or some other dinner on a regular basis, buy flowers and all of that. The big difference, I will not get that marriage liscence that entitles her to all of my possessions now and to come. I am a romantic, just one that will not be used again. If I found a woman that honestly never wanted to marry, well, that might be a permanent relationship.

MGTOW

SIGNYM

Tuesday, May 3, 2016 7:03 PM

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Originally posted by Richie:
Indeed, it is generalization, because it is the majority by far. You would be one of the rarities, which is something like finding a diamond in a coal mine. Nothing is impossible. I have been used and lied to far too much to trust that I will find that rare gem, so I accept my circumstances, and found peace with it. I do not hate women, obviously, but I do not trust women 'generally'. I have written a song for each girl that I have dated, cook my famous chili (as every guy probably has their own recipie) or some other dinner on a regular basis, buy flowers and all of that. The big difference, I will not get that marriage liscence that entitles her to all of my possessions now and to come. I am a romantic, just one that will not be used again. If I found a woman that honestly never wanted to marry, well, that might be a permanent relationship.

MGTOW

It sound to me like you've had one bad experience, and now you'd like to use the excuse that since nearly all woman are lying, you don't want to get married.

I tossed that idea against all of the women that I work with ... office assistants, technicians, chemists, student workers/ interns etc ... and out of the approximately 30 women that that constitutes, of anywhere from college age to retirement age, I can only think of two exceptions (women who would use men's sexual attraction to them to achieve an unfair relationship) Of all of the women that I work with- married and unmarried- over 90% are hard-working women who contribute not only their salary but also housework, cooking, and child/husband care to their marriages. Most of them are normal weight. Some of them fix their own cars, others volunteer at church or are otherwise engaged in useful outside activities.

Now, all that being said, I would say the same for most of the men I work with. They ALSO contribute their salaries to their marriages, although they generally do less childcare and housework. The exception is the unmarried father, who is taking care of one child who is his and one child who isn't his.

I think the problem must be you.

Oh and BTW, women in their early 30s have their biological clocks ticking the loudest. It's at 35 that the risk of Down's Syndrome and infertility rises, and women who have deferred having children so they could advance their careers are thinking about children right about then. So your assumption about children not being an issue with women who are 32 is not only wrong, it's 180 deg wrong for many professional women. If you don't want children to be an underlying issue, instead of assuming that (erroneously, as it turns out) based on age, why don't you just ask?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, May 4, 2016 5:57 AM

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Originally posted by Richie:
Well presented and very true. I was married once, and she was the laziest and most selfish person I ever met. She gained over 50 pounds after marriage, quit her job, started expensive hobbies such as Maryk and pampered chef, buying so much for her family and girlfriends. Of course, these things did not start nor show until I was already trapped. She spent so much of the money I earned that we were in debt, and I made 140k a year.

I know live comfortably with 45k a year, working part time by choice, single and do what I want without someone constantly fussing at me. I can travel and enjoy the world, go on a cruise once a year, and I still date time to time. My relationships almost always end with them deciding that our agreement that it will not be serious is no longer what they want, and they try to get me to commit to marrying them. Every freaking time. It is like a disease, women can only think about landing a guy and walking down the isle. Some have even tried to get pregnant to force my hand.

I will never marry another American woman. I have not met one that has not done some kind of sexual act with less than 5 guys, and that is being generously conservative on the estimate. Women do nothing but badmouth everyone else, fish for compliments, and struggle with severe insecurity. I am content with a new woman every few months, without commitment or I'll never again be in a situation where a woman owns me, such as marriage. I get a proposal from a woman at least once a year, and that is always my sign to move on. The moment you piss them off, they make some sort of comment about you being less than a man, and they get more pissed that I laugh. They can be mad all that they want, but they still will not be raiding my home, life and happiness. I think I still have a few voice mails of them flipping their shit about me not wanting to marry them. Funny as hell.

MGTOW

Well, this is a noble effort, on this board.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, May 4, 2016 6:03 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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I know [sic] live comfortably with 45k a year, working part time by choice, single and do what I want without someone constantly fussing at me. I can travel and enjoy the world, go on a cruise once a year, and I still date time to time. My relationships almost always end with them

alright
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deciding that our agreement that it will not be serious

Siggy, did you miss this part?
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is no longer what they want, and they try to get me to commit to marrying them. Every freaking time. It is like a disease, women can only think about landing a guy and walking down the isle. Some have even tried to get pregnant to force my hand.

I will never marry another American woman.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, May 4, 2016 6:08 AM

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Originally posted by Richie:
I was injured in Iraq, so acclimating to the civilian life. I honestly never dated up to this point, aside from high school, as I was always being deployed somewhere. I went in naive to what to expect, I guess, but I assumed she would continue working, and we would make meals together, hike together and the other things of such fun. I rather expected her to be the person she was before we married. I never put up a front or played any games, and I expected none in return. We did date for more than a year, so, I assumed we worked out all of those things. But, I am sure everyone loves to blame the guy, because that is what society teaches us to do.

I am just living my life for experiencing as much as I can. I would have liked to be a dad, but those years are in the past. My time in the service was the best time for that. I simply live to enjoy life. I go into relationships with this openly. I share my ideals and thoughts of these things, and if they are in concurrence, we date. Women seem to have a hidden agenda though, and it seems to hit them around the two month mark. I take a month off, and then go into the dating world again. I never lie or coerce, but they still end up expecting that ring.

I did want a family and "the American Dream" as it were. But these women only seem to be interested in money. So, yes, I lost that care for anything more meaningful. You assault me with words, such as selfish, but where is it selfish to not allow one's self to be used. I am not their paycheck, and things will remain that way. If that is selfish, so be it.

MGTOW

You remind me of an old saying.
Men get married thinking their wife will never change.
Women get married thinking they will be able to change their husband into the man they want.
Neither gets their wish.

Also, women keep whining that men don't want to commit, but it is really the women who do not want to commit.
Women want the men to commit to a wedding, so they get a lifetime of income to leach from the guy. But women do not want to commit to a lifetime of marriage, just enough to qualify for alimony.

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