Bernie Sanders Discussion Thread
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
That's how we do in NY!!!!!
Indeed [/snark]
Additional Evidence Of Mind-Boggling Fraud Emerges from The New York PrimaryQuote:
For the past week or so, I’ve been warning readers that the supposedly “liberal” state of New York has some of the most repressive voting laws in the country. Before reading the rest of this post, I suggest refreshing your memory on just how undemocratic New York is by checking out the following:
Published April 13th: Hillary Clinton Will Win New York, Because New York is Running a Banana Republic Primary
Published yesterday: As Expected, New York’s Primary is Already a Pathetic Mess
As such, two things were obvious going into the New York primary: 1) Hillary Clinton would win. 2) There would be an enormous amount of voter suppression and fraud.
Well the results are in, and the state of the state in New York is very, very bad.
The Daily Beast reports:
Alba Guerrero was dumbfounded. She’d arrived at her polling place in Ozone Park, Queens only to be told that she had been registered as a Republican since 2004.
That was news to her. She remembers registering to vote for the first time as a Democrat so she could vote for Barack Obama in the general election in 2008. When she recently moved from Manhattan to Ozone Park, in Queens, she re-registered at the DMV, she says, and even checked online on March 9th to be sure she was registered at her new address.
But when she showed up to vote for Bernie Sanders at PS63 on Tuesday, she says she was told she couldn’t. New York is a closed primary, where only registered Democrats can vote in the Democratic Primary—and voters had to be registered by last October. She was told—very politely, she wants to make clear—by poll workers to take it up with a judge. She was given a court order in nearby Forest Hills.
Guerrero drove to the Queens County Board of Elections and pled her case, but Judge Ira Margulis initially turned her away.
“The judge tells me, ‘No, that’s it—2004.’ He shows me, I’m registered as a Republican. He says there’s nothing we can do,” she said.
But on her way out she saw a Board of Elections worker holding something with her name on it. It was her 2004 voter registration, replete, she remembers, with her name, her social security number, her birthday—and someone else’s signature.
“I said, ‘Excuse me, that’s not my signature,’” she said. “It’s not my handwriting. It showed completely different signatures.”
Sure enough, the signatures are strikingly different. Next to a box checked “Republican,” her 2004 signature is written in clear, deliberate, legible cursive and includes her middle name. Her more recent signature is a loopy, illegible scrawl. She insists she’s never changed it in her life, and says she can produce old tax forms to prove it.
So Guerrero went back to to Judge Margulis and showed him the discrepancy.
“He allowed me to change for that day,“ she said.
Mayor Bill de Blasio, who tweeted at 11:50 a.m., “There’s nothing more punk rock than voting. #GetOutAndVote”, had to change his tune by the end of the day. WNYC reported this morning that 126,000 Brooklyn Democrats had been removed from the voting rolls since last fall.
What a fake liberal clown.
“It has been reported to us from voters and voting rights monitors that the voting lists in Brooklyn contain numerous errors, including the purging of entire buildings and blocks of voters from the voting lists,” he said in a statement released after 5 p.m. on Election Day. “I am calling on the Board of Election to reverse that purge and update the lists again using Central, not Brooklyn borough, Board of Election staff.”
A spokesperson for New York Attorney Eric Schneiderman told the New York Daily News that his office received “by far the largest volume of complaints we have received for an election since Attorney General Schneiderman took office in 2011.”
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Quote:One thing the left, the middle and the right have in common: they're convinced that most people support them (if only they would vote), even when they lose and even more when they feel like they were cheated out of victory. Hence the "take back our country" canard.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Only an ignorant Libtard (sorry for the redundancy there) would be unaware that Democrats are undemocratic, or that New York politics is a racket.
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Quote:http://archives.arkansasnews.com/2007/09/07/the-chicken-waste-state/
"He is funneling money to his wife's law firm," Brown says. "It's not only corruption, it's an environmental disaster and it's the kind of conflict of interest that is incompatible with the kind of public servant we expect for president of the United States." Brown goes on to say he would refuse to serve as Clinton's vice president. This argument was literally about chicken shit.
Listening to Bill Clinton reminds me what a lying weasel HE was, even then!
"I did not ... my wife did not..." said with complete apparent sincerity.
"I'm a change agent ... I think about the lives of ordinary Americans..."
What a dick. There was only ONE thing that Clinton did for ordinary Americans during his Presidency, and that was to raise the Federal minimum wage. You know the saying that begins "Fool me once?" I may have voted for him the first time, but I sure didn't vote for him the second time!
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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.
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Quote:I do? Then you would be wrong. I'm NOT surprised.
You sound surprised.
Quote:Fixed it for you.
Only an ignorant reichwinger (sorry for the redundancy there) would be unaware that Republicans are undemocratic, or that Texas politics is a racket.
This is a flaw that establishment politicians share, no matter what party, since they're all feeding at the same trough and your vote simply gets in the way of them doing what they been bribed .... er, I mean paid ... no, that is elected ... to do. Is Ted Cruz really any better than Hillary Clinton??? Do you think he'll represent your interests in the WH any better than she will?
The thing that makes some Republicans an extra-crispy hoot is their religious evangelism and their denial of science.
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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.
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Quote:Charles Koch: 'Possible' Clinton could be better than GOP nominee
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Is Ted Cruz really any better than Hillary Clinton??? Do you think he'll represent your interests in the WH any better than she will?
Koch is the Republicans' real-life equivalent of Montgomery Burns from The Simpsons.
Oil tycoon and conservative mega-donor Charles Koch had kind words for both Bill and Hillary Clinton in an interview Sunday, saying there was an outside chance he could support her in November.
"We would have to believe her actions would be quite different than her rhetoric. Let me put it that way," he said on ABC's "This Week" Sunday. "But on some of the Republican candidates we would -- before we could support them, we'd have to believe their actions will be quite different than the rhetoric we've heard so far."
Earlier in the interview, Koch said Bill Clinton was better than George W. Bush on issues of economic growth and government spending but did not offer a full-throated endorsement of either Clinton.
"As far as the growth of government, the increase in spending, on restrictive regulations, it was two-and-a-half times under Bush than it was under Clinton," Koch told ABC.
Asked if it was possible another Clinton could be better than a Republican, Koch said: "It's possible."
www.cnn.com/2016/04/24/politics/charles-koch-hillary-clinton-2016/inde
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Charles Koch, or Mr Burns, high on ether.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Voters' 'Bernie or Bust' efforts persist despite Sanders' vow not to be another Ralph Nader
www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-sanders-clinton-20160424-story.html
In interviews, Sanders has said he has no intention of being another Ralph Nader — the third-party candidate blamed by many Democrats for siphoning votes from Democratic nominee Al Gore in 2000, helping give the White House to George W. Bush.
Some of his supporters remain so steadfast, however, that a #BernieOrBust movement has picked up momentum on Twitter. So has an online pledge for supporters who vow to vote for Sanders as a write-in candidate if he loses the nomination.
A recent McClatchy-Marist poll found that 1 in 4 Sanders supporters would not back Clinton as the nominee, a sign of the party's deep divide — and Clinton's high negatives — at this point of the race.
Democratic pollster Anna Greenberg says she is confident that many Sanders supporters will ultimately vote for Clinton if she wins the nomination, especially if she faces Republican front-runner Donald Trump or Texas Sen. Ted Cruz.
"They might have to hold their noses to vote for her, but she's going to seem better ... than the alternative," Greenberg said.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Probably the part where she can blame Conservatives for her failures and ineptness, knowing that the gullible like SGG will worship everything she says.
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Yes, I'm gullible alright. And America stands for everything good, right and decent
in this world. Elvis was the King, the Christian faith tops all religions, GWB was
a hell of a president, Cheney is an upright citizen who loves the world (especially
black people), Limbaugh is the smartest man alive, Palin the smartest woman alive
and Major Cage wasn't a private.
Yeah, I'm as dumb and gullible as a bag of rocks!
SGG
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Fugetaboudit! NY has the best voter suppression in the country, f#ck Neveda, Colorado, hell even North Carolina or the Koch brothers can't top the Big Apple.
New York, the home of the crooked politician............we aim to destroy the
democratic process. Cuomo colluding with the prick from New Jersey "Jumping
Jimmy" Chris Christie (what $50 million missing from the NJ Transit Hub?).
Yep, we have the market cornered when it comes to suppressing the vote. Every
where else their as honest as the day is long. How do you think Trump built
all those buildings and never paid anyone under the table?
Sheldon Silver ran NY like a Chicago night club for decades without taking a
single bribe...........no, wait....he's going to jail for that. And Bush got
the Supreme Court to shill for him without so much as a whoopsy daisy. Yeah, NY
is a steaming pile of doggie dung when it comes to downright nasty cheating.
Everybody's on the take.
New York, so nasty they named it twice...................
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
That's how we do in NY!!!!!
Indeed [/snark]
Additional Evidence Of Mind-Boggling Fraud Emerges from The New York PrimaryQuote:
For the past week or so, I’ve been warning readers that the supposedly “liberal” state of New York has some of the most repressive voting laws in the country. Before reading the rest of this post, I suggest refreshing your memory on just how undemocratic New York is by checking out the following:
Published April 13th: Hillary Clinton Will Win New York, Because New York is Running a Banana Republic Primary
Published yesterday: As Expected, New York’s Primary is Already a Pathetic Mess
As such, two things were obvious going into the New York primary: 1) Hillary Clinton would win. 2) There would be an enormous amount of voter suppression and fraud.
Well the results are in, and the state of the state in New York is very, very bad.
The Daily Beast reports:
Alba Guerrero was dumbfounded. She’d arrived at her polling place in Ozone Park, Queens only to be told that she had been registered as a Republican since 2004.
That was news to her. She remembers registering to vote for the first time as a Democrat so she could vote for Barack Obama in the general election in 2008. When she recently moved from Manhattan to Ozone Park, in Queens, she re-registered at the DMV, she says, and even checked online on March 9th to be sure she was registered at her new address.
But when she showed up to vote for Bernie Sanders at PS63 on Tuesday, she says she was told she couldn’t. New York is a closed primary, where only registered Democrats can vote in the Democratic Primary—and voters had to be registered by last October. She was told—very politely, she wants to make clear—by poll workers to take it up with a judge. She was given a court order in nearby Forest Hills.
Guerrero drove to the Queens County Board of Elections and pled her case, but Judge Ira Margulis initially turned her away.
“The judge tells me, ‘No, that’s it—2004.’ He shows me, I’m registered as a Republican. He says there’s nothing we can do,” she said.
But on her way out she saw a Board of Elections worker holding something with her name on it. It was her 2004 voter registration, replete, she remembers, with her name, her social security number, her birthday—and someone else’s signature.
“I said, ‘Excuse me, that’s not my signature,’” she said. “It’s not my handwriting. It showed completely different signatures.”
Sure enough, the signatures are strikingly different. Next to a box checked “Republican,” her 2004 signature is written in clear, deliberate, legible cursive and includes her middle name. Her more recent signature is a loopy, illegible scrawl. She insists she’s never changed it in her life, and says she can produce old tax forms to prove it.
So Guerrero went back to to Judge Margulis and showed him the discrepancy.
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
That's how we do in NY!!!!!
Indeed [/snark]
Additional Evidence Of Mind-Boggling Fraud Emerges from The New York PrimaryQuote:
For the past week or so, I’ve been warning readers that the supposedly “liberal” state of New York has some of the most repressive voting laws in the country. Before reading the rest of this post, I suggest refreshing your memory on just how undemocratic New York is by checking out the following:
Published April 13th: Hillary Clinton Will Win New York, Because New York is Running a Banana Republic Primary
Published yesterday: As Expected, New York’s Primary is Already a Pathetic Mess
As such, two things were obvious going into the New York primary: 1) Hillary Clinton would win. 2) There would be an enormous amount of voter suppression and fraud.
Well the results are in, and the state of the state in New York is very, very bad.
The Daily Beast reports:
Alba Guerrero was dumbfounded. She’d arrived at her polling place in Ozone Park, Queens only to be told that she had been registered as a Republican since 2004.
That was news to her. She remembers registering to vote for the first time as a Democrat so she could vote for Barack Obama in the general election in 2008. When she recently moved from Manhattan to Ozone Park, in Queens, she re-registered at the DMV, she says, and even checked online on March 9th to be sure she was registered at her new address.
But when she showed up to vote for Bernie Sanders at PS63 on Tuesday, she says she was told she couldn’t. New York is a closed primary, where only registered Democrats can vote in the Democratic Primary—and voters had to be registered by last October. She was told—very politely, she wants to make clear—by poll workers to take it up with a judge. She was given a court order in nearby Forest Hills.
Guerrero drove to the Queens County Board of Elections and pled her case, but Judge Ira Margulis initially turned her away.
“The judge tells me, ‘No, that’s it—2004.’ He shows me, I’m registered as a Republican. He says there’s nothing we can do,” she said.
But on her way out she saw a Board of Elections worker holding something with her name on it. It was her 2004 voter registration, replete, she remembers, with her name, her social security number, her birthday—and someone else’s signature.
“I said, ‘Excuse me, that’s not my signature,’” she said. “It’s not my handwriting. It showed completely different signatures.”
Sure enough, the signatures are strikingly different. Next to a box checked “Republican,” her 2004 signature is written in clear, deliberate, legible cursive and includes her middle name. Her more recent signature is a loopy, illegible scrawl. She insists she’s never changed it in her life, and says she can produce old tax forms to prove it.
So Guerrero went back to to Judge Margulis and showed him the discrepancy.
“He allowed me to change for that day,“ she said.
Mayor Bill de Blasio, who tweeted at 11:50 a.m., “There’s nothing more punk rock than voting. #GetOutAndVote”, had to change his tune by the end of the day. WNYC reported this morning that 126,000 Brooklyn Democrats had been removed from the voting rolls since last fall.
What a fake liberal clown.
“It has been reported to us from voters and voting rights monitors that the voting lists in Brooklyn contain numerous errors, including the purging of entire buildings and blocks of voters from the voting lists,” he said in a statement released after 5 p.m. on Election Day. “I am calling on the Board of Election to reverse that purge and update the lists again using Central, not Brooklyn borough, Board of Election staff.”
A spokesperson for New York Attorney Eric Schneiderman told the New York Daily News that his office received “by far the largest volume of complaints we have received for an election since Attorney General Schneiderman took office in 2011.”NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Bernie Sanders — without appearing to realize it — put his finger on why his campaign hasn't succeeded.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I am getting the impression that you think the rest of America should fix the Democrat party of New York, or maybe also the Republican Party of New York. Or maybe all of New York.
"Poor people don't vote," he said in an interview with Meet the Press on Sunday. "It's just a fact."
Bernie is correct. The poor don't vote at anywhere near the rates their richer peers do.
Bernie's theory of the "political revolution" is that Americans are so eager for free college and Medicare-For-All that they will not only sweep Bernie Sanders to the White House if he's nominated, but will elect more and more progressive Democrats down-ballot who will then vote to pass Sanders's agenda through Congress.
Among people who actually vote, Bernie's policies aren't popular. The "political revolution" is only plausible if it's about changing the composition of the electorate: bringing new people to the polls who don't normally vote, even in presidential elections. 30 percent of eligible voters aren't registered to vote, or aren't accurately listed in the voter databases that campaigns use. Those voters are basically ignored by candidates. And, just like the nonvoting yet registered-to-vote population as a whole, the not even registered-to-vote population is more likely to be poor than voters are — and more likely to support liberal policies on government spending.
A candidate who can figure out how to reach out to that 30 percent of eligible-but-not-registered voters could actually make a political revolution happen.
The bottom line is that Bernie Sanders and his campaign have identified an intriguing electoral strategy, but it's becoming pretty clear they're not going to be the ones who prove whether or not it works.
This should be good news for Sanders's supporters: Just because it looks very unlikely that this particular candidate will win the nomination this particular time, that doesn't mean that a different candidate won't be able to succeed with a similar platform and strategy.
www.vox.com/2016/4/25/11497822/sanders-political-revolution-vote
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