Bernie Sanders Discussion Thread
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Hillary Clinton does a better job than Bernie Sanders of explaining the details of his bank breakup plan
That's your opinion - which I don't share.
But I gotta ask you - what are you voting on? The person who you think explains breaking up 'too big to fail banks' better but has no intention of doing it, or the person who has it as a goal? Is erudition more important to you than direction?
And this is the same pattern in your posts. They cavil at Bernie because of the supposed shortcomings in his plans - and magically fail to notice that Clinton hasn't even addressed the questions Bernie has, let alone provide an answer.
Which is why I posted about Hillary in a Bernie thread. Because it's not about Bernie, it's about Bernie v Hillary. Who has the BETTER answer? And many times in your posts, it's easily apparent Hillary has no answer at all.
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Two words, oh exalted one, Bush - Cheney
Too much wisdom..........must - bow - down, your knuckleheadedness!
Please spare this poor humble peon as I tremble at your exalted greatness!
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Clinton IS corrupt. From her Wall Street speaking engagements to her list of top 20 donors to the hundreds of millions poured into the Clinton "foundation" from nations like Saudi Arabia, to her tenure as neocon head of the State Department, to her private email server...
Clinton is a bought, sold, butchered, graded, and packaged politician. You don't need a jury trial to figure that out.
I know exactly what she'll do when she gets into office: she'll represent the interests that have given her the most money: Banks, international law firms (like the Panamanian one that was just exposed), Saudi Arabia and the rest of the GCC, and the ultra-wealthy. She's for the TTP and TTIP. She's for Saudi Arabia, She's for the banks. Do you really think that Hillary will reform the WH in the way it so desperately needs?
So you believe it's only the White House that needs fixing? And that all politicians have sold the US out. Or is it just Hilary that has turned this
nation into a Third World country? Do you actually know what a neocon is?
SGG
I sincerely doubt you know what a neocon is.
Care to share what your personal definition is?
This ought to be a hoot.
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Have you read the article? Just curious.
Anyway, I'm kind of lost here. Oh and by the way, your arguments sound extremely similar to those that Bernie has. My guess is that he has really
influenced you and your way of thinking. Let's take the whole idea of Too Big To Fail. I watched an interview, and I read the transcript, where
Bernie says that he's not quite sure who would have the authority to
break up the banks.
Now, don't get me wrong, I agree with you on one level.....that Bernie
means what he says. He has every intention of breaking up the banks. Saying it and doing it are parallel roads - which one do you think will actually get the job done? But in order to get on that road, you've got to know how
to read the map, and know where the pot holes are situated. Otherwise.....
Well, that is a way to learn the ropes.
A woman has a major leak in her house. She steps outside her door to find 2 people waiting there. One has
his truck parked in the driveway and it says 'licensed plumber' and he's wearing overalls with his name above his left breast pocket that says "Bob"
The other is her next door neighbor Susie, in her yoga pants and brand new
Reeboks holding a Do-It-Yourself book that reads "Plumbing For Dummies"
written on the cover.
Susie says, don't hire Bluto over there (she meant Bob) he might know more than I do, but he has no intention of fixing your leak the right way. He just wants to milk you for more cash. Don't worry, I'll fix it and it won't
cost you nearly as much. Now, Susie is a great gal, she bakes a mean apple pie. But she's asked if she knows what to do.
Well, let's see. She opens the book and turns to the Table of Contents and looks up the word "leaks." Bob starts laughing (not too hard, mind you, he doesn't want to offend the lady of the house), he reaches into his left breast pocket, pulls out a business card, hands it to the lady and says...
"Call me when she's done." He hops into his truck and drives off.
What do you think the nice lady will do? Go with her next door neighbor to
the nearest Home Depot!? Saying it and doing it are two different things.
Bernie did not sound too sure of how exactly he would go about breaking up those BIG banks. One question that I have; why hasn't he even tried holding
the banks feet to the fire before this. Tell me, has he supported or introduced any legislation, during his many years in office, to effectively
start the ball rolling in that direction? Or does he only intend to do it
once he's president.
SGG
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Hillary Clinton does a better job than Bernie Sanders of explaining the details of his bank breakup plan
That's your opinion - which I don't share.
But I gotta ask you - what are you voting on? The person who you think explains breaking up 'too big to fail banks' better but has no intention of doing it, or the person who has it as a goal? Is erudition more important to you than direction?
And this is the same pattern in your posts. They cavil at Bernie because of the supposed shortcomings in his plans - and magically fail to notice that Clinton hasn't even addressed the questions Bernie has, let alone provide an answer.
Which is why I posted about Hillary in a Bernie thread. Because it's not about Bernie, it's about Bernie v Hillary. Who has the BETTER answer? And many times in your posts, it's easily apparent Hillary has no answer at all.
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Quote:I think Bernie will fall into the same obscurity of, say, Howard Dean from Vermont. His hopes and dreams will amount to nothing. The only previous thing Bernie has done of any importance is caucusing with the Democrats to give them a 51–49 majority in the Senate and thus thwarting evil Vice President Dick Cheney, who would have broken any tie votes in favor of the Republicans. Bernie has been bellyaching for 25 years about the rich ruining American, but he has nothing that will ever become law.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
That's your opinion - which I don't share.
But I gotta ask you - what are you voting on? The person who you think explains breaking up 'too big to fail banks' better but has no intention of doing it, or the person who has it as a goal? Is erudition more important to you than direction?
And this is the same pattern in your posts. They cavil at Bernie because of the supposed shortcomings in his plans - and magically fail to notice that Clinton hasn't even addressed the questions Bernie has, let alone provide an answer.
Which is why I posted about Hillary in a Bernie thread. Because it's not about Bernie, it's about Bernie v Hillary. Who has the BETTER answer? And many times in your posts, it's easily apparent Hillary has no answer at all.
Bernie is neither devious enough nor energetic enough to make a difference. And just looking at the old man, I don't think he has the strength to run again for the Senate. Maybe he will fool me and live to be 80 in 2021 and die in office.
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Bernie Sanders, who has made it his business to police other people's transparency practices, has released full tax returns tax returns for... zero years, though he released the summary for a single year, 2014. Only Donald Trump has released less.
Hillary Clinton has released her full tax returns for every year since 2001.
John Kasich released seven years of partial returns. Ted Cruz (who released four years of partial returns) has shown more commitment to transparency than Bernie.
www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/4/12/bernie-sanders-tax-return-foot-d
ragging
Here is Bernie during CNN’s “State of the Union,” April 3, 2016
If I had been there, I would have yelled at the old fart to stop talking and just give me his goddamn tax returns.
Jake Tapper: “Let’s talk about taxes, specifically about your tax returns. I have to say, I’m kind of surprised that you haven’t gone further on transparency. You released the summary page of your 2014 tax returns. Hillary Clinton has posted on her website the last eight years of her personal returns, all of the returns. Before the New York primary, will you match her? Will you post your full returns for the last eight years?”
Bernie Sanders: “You know who does our tax returns? My wife does our tax returns. We’ve been a little bit busy lately. So we will get out as much information as we can. There ain’t going to be very much exciting in that. I get a salary from the United States Senate, you know, there’s not going to be anything new in it that people haven’t seen for the last many years, but we will get it out as soon as we can.”
Tapper: “But nobody has seen them at all, I guess, is the point, and whether or not there’s anything exciting in them –“
Sanders: “No, that is not true. That is not true. Of course, we have released them in the past. Our financial situation, to the best of my knowledge, has not changed very much, but we will get out all of that information as soon as we can.”
Second: "Is right this second too soon for you, Bernie? The IRS has already seen all your returns, so stop stalling!"
www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/05/bernie-sanderss
-false-claim-that-he-has-released-his-full-federal-tax-returns/
I realize that Bernie will eventually post something about his taxes, but the point is he has everything about his taxes already completed at this very second and yet he delayed.
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Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Clinton IS corrupt. From her Wall Street speaking engagements to her list of top 20 donors to the hundreds of millions poured into the Clinton "foundation" from nations like Saudi Arabia, to her tenure as neocon head of the State Department, to her private email server...
Clinton is a bought, sold, butchered, graded, and packaged politician. You don't need a jury trial to figure that out.
I know exactly what she'll do when she gets into office: she'll represent the interests that have given her the most money: Banks, international law firms (like the Panamanian one that was just exposed), Saudi Arabia and the rest of the GCC, and the ultra-wealthy. She's for the TTP and TTIP. She's for Saudi Arabia, She's for the banks. Do you really think that Hillary will reform the WH in the way it so desperately needs?
So you believe it's only the White House that needs fixing? And that all politicians have sold the US out. Or is it just Hilary that has turned this
nation into a Third World country? Do you actually know what a neocon is?
SGG
I sincerely doubt you know what a neocon is.
Care to share what your personal definition is?
This ought to be a hoot.
Two words, oh exalted one, Bush - Cheney
Too much wisdom..........must - bow - down, your knuckleheadedness!
Please spare this poor humble peon as I tremble at your exalted greatness!
SGG
Aaaaand, you delivered.
You are defining Bush and Cheney as New Conservatives, or vice versa.
Did you get that from some Libtard dictionary? Something that includes FDR as a neo-con?
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Howard Dean was sabotaged by both the "Democratic" party and the media. Are you old enough to remember the 'Dean scream'? - that well-timed media fabrication? How about H Ross Pee'roh and his daughter's wedding?
Maybe not. Maybe you really are too young to have seen the machinations that go into derailing any real threat to the power that sits behind behind the spectacle we see.
Hungry family, waiting for dinner. Gotta go.
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Hillary Clinton
Giddy with the thought of having a man sodomized with a bayonet and turning Libya into a cluster. George Bush couldn't have done better. She's either unbelievably stupid or unbelievably evil, or both.
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Quote:"I'm horrified by all the elderly running for President, including Clinton. And Cruz believes gold should back the US dollar. Just that qualifies him as elderly. And senile." - second
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Hungry family, waiting for dinner. Gotta go.
Looking for president in the geriatric crowd
By Garrison Keillor
www.sltrib.com/opinion/3777098-155/keillor-no-dementia-for-president-p
lease
How did we wind up with these old people running for president? In 1960, the first election I voted in, Richard Nixon was 47 and John Kennedy was 43 and now, 56 years later, the candidates are mostly my age. Young people are flocking to Bernie Sanders who, given two terms in office, would be Leader of the Free World until age 83, setting a new record — Ronald Reagan was just shy of 78. Where is that new generation of leadership we keep hearing about at college commencements?
They say the voters long for a leader unlike the previous one and so after Nixon the schemer we elected the Baptist deacon. He turned out to be a detail guy and so was succeeded by a guy who thought in terms of Shining Good vs. Very Very Bad. After W, we elected a man who spoke in whole paragraphs. He was 47 when he took office. So now we’re longing for elder care and the full disclosure of the presidential prostate and colonoscopy analysis?
Speaking as an old guy, let me just say: Blecchhhhh. And let me add to that: Arghhhh. I don’t want a president who is groping for the word that means “no” and rhymes with “mosquito” or who needs to lie down every afternoon.
Tell me I’m an ageist and you’re right — I come by it honestly, I am that age. It’s a cruel age when you go out to dinner with friends and someone says, “Elevator or stairs?” and you shrug and take the stairs though you do feel short of breath and sit down in the restaurant which is clamorous and you can’t hear, which is a blessing, because your friends are telling bald-faced lies about how busy and happy they are, writing bad poetry and walking briskly with no particular place to go.
Meanwhile you gaze at the menu — you can afford the steak or lobster, but your metabolism is such that you order one sea scallop with a spoonful of rice and emulsified celery, with a pitted prune for dessert, lest you wake up at 3 a.m. whinnying in pain, begging to be shot and put out of your misery. And now the conversation is about calcium supplements. Chewable or the other kind. I’m dubious about entrusting someone from this age group with our foreign policy.
Listen to me. Old people run for office because they’re bored, hanging with their peers.
Bernie is tired of the club with Mitch McConnell, 74, Orrin Hatch, 82, John Mc-Cain, 79, Charles Grassley, 82, and is having the time of his life on the hustings, a teen idol at last. Fine.
But check out that 25th Amendment about presidential disability and how, if the boss’s brain turns to tapioca and he crouches behind bushes in the Rose Garden talking to Grover Cleveland, the vice president must conspire with the Cabinet to bounce him out of office. It isn’t exactly clear how this would actually work and the thought of three or four months of wrangling about incapacity is not a pleasant prospect. And two candidates seem incapacitated right now.
I remember Election Day 2008 and the vast crowd waiting in Grant Park in Chicago, and that young couple walking out on the big stage with the two little girls trotting alongside.
I get misty-eyed just thinking about it. All that it said about our country. My heart went out to them, the two young strivers from the South Side who took the high road and somehow knew exactly what to do in every situation. And how to bring up those girls.
The Obamas brought so much juice and style to the White House, and I will miss him in January, a cool president who could write a book and sing in public and show genuine emotion and speak for the nation at crucial times. And be genuinely funny.
As he winds up his presidency, pe
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Bernie Sanders has a very clear theory of what is wrong with Hillary Clinton: She is less left-wing than he is. She is less of a conviction politician, less politically daring, less consistent in her record, and more beholden to interests that benefit from the status quo. Agree or not, that's what he's saying. You don't need to agree with it or intend to vote for him to understand it and be able to repeat it coherently.
Clinton, by contrast, is all over the map. She can't quite decide what she wants to say about Bernie Sanders. . . she has an enormous lead at this point anyway, and the aversion to stark choices that makes it hard for her to develop a compelling line of attack would likely serve her well as president.
www.vox.com/2016/4/15/11436670/democratic-debate-new-york-clinton-mess
age
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