Saudi Arabia: Foreign policy speculation
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New Kids on the Block: Saudi Coalition to 'Stall Joint Anti-Daesh Effort'
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Parties to the Syrian conflict, including new ones, are pursuing completely different goals in this standoff, which undermines a joint fight against Daesh militants, according to the US-based intelligence firm Stratfor.
The US-based intelligence firm Stratfor suggested that a united fight against Daesh (ISIL/Islamic State) terrorists may be undermined by "the differing goals and interests" of the Syrian conflict's participants. Stratfor analyzed the possible consequences of the participation of "new faces" — members of the so-called Islamic military coalition, which was recently announced by Saudi Arabia. According to Sratfor, "an end to the Syrian conflict is nowhere in sight, and more countries are being drawn into the fray."
"Responding to US pressure and keen to have more influence on the direction of the Syrian civil war, the Saudis are attempting to coordinate a deployment of troops on the ground in Syria alongside their allies," [al Qaida- SIGNYM] Stratfor said. It referred to the United States and Turkey as the countries which are also interested in the deployment of Arab forces in Syria. As for Washington, Stratfor said, it has repeatedly been criticized over "a perceived lack of progress in the war" against Daesh, which is why the White House currently wants to draw additional forces in the region.
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151227/1032369713/syria-daesh-coal
ition.html#ixzz3vXZoRcRi
I'm not sure if you know who Strafor is. I suggest you look it up.
What I see now is a war of attrition, with the USA and Saudi Arabia (that barbaric enforcer and promoter of Wahhabism) in alliance. I'll detail that later, maybe.
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In a previous thread, I speculated that world powers were getting closer to war.
Well, that moment is here. War is being waged on informational, economic, financial, political, militia, and proxy-fronts. Full-scale nuclear war has been openly threatened (by Russia). The only thing lacking is the major militaries directly confronting each other with soldiers, tanks, warships, and airplanes.
Like the paired DNA breaking apart and each forming a separate pole, nations and entities - by their actions- are splitting apart, distinguishing themselves from each other when they were previously amorphous. The location of this polarization is Syraq. On the one hand is Russia, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, nominally China, and possible partners or neutrals like India, Egypt, the Causasus, and south and central America.
On the other side is ISIL, al Qaida, Boko Haram, Saudi Arabia/GCC, and (I'm ashamed to say) the USA and the EU. And the international banks, one should never forget those.
I can't believe ... here we are, on the side of terrorists and Nazis.
I weep for my country.
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On a knee-jerk level, people support the deep-state of the USA, UK, or EU. But the time has come, I think to decide- WHAT DO YOU REALLY SUPPORT? What are you really for?
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There is a difference between THUGR is a genius., and THUGR is a "genius". And everyone knows it except THUGR, who is a "genius".
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Oh. my. god.
When Saudi Arabia announced the 'coalition', and Malaysia and Pakistan who were supposed members said 'Hey! That's the first WE ever heard about it!', I assumed it was a publicity stunt.
But it now seems real, and the 'coalition' is set to put troops in Syria - without invite or permission, which makes them aggressor nations - and the US is backing it?
Oh. crap.
Russia can't help but interpret this as a US/ EU plan to use proxies to destroy it. And it WILL react in a definitive military way. It can't help BUT do that. This is reckless, insane escalation. Because when, not if, Russia responds, what will happen next? Other countries will be drawn in and line up on one side, or the other, in a feedback cycle of increasing war.
Does Obama WANT WWIII? (Which I guarantee will be nuclear.) Is he fine with that?
THGR, kpo, 'G' - are YOU fine with that?
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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As usual, you're looking at the sources and not what it says.
I suggested that you look up Stratfor not because it's universally right, but because it's CLEARLY NOT A PRO-RUSSIAN ORGANIZATION. A point which you amply demonstrated for me, thank you!
Now, do you have anything INTERESTING AND ON-TOPIC TO SAY? Or are you reflexively spewing crap, again?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Oh. my. god.
When Saudi Arabia announced the 'coalition', and Malaysia and Pakistan who were supposed members said 'Hey! That's the first WE ever heard about it!', I assumed it was a publicity stunt.
But it now seems real, and the 'coalition' is set to put troops in Syria - without invite or permission, which makes them aggressor nations - and the US is backing it?
Oh. crap.
Russia can't help but interpret this as a US/ EU plan to use proxies to destroy it. And it WILL react in a definitive military way. It can't help BUT do that. This is reckless, insane escalation. Because when, not if, Russia responds, what will happen next? Other countries will be drawn in and line up on one side, or the other, in a feedback cycle of increasing war.
Does Obama WANT WWIII? (Which I guarantee will be nuclear.) Is he fine with that?
THGR, kpo, 'G' - are YOU fine with that?
Iran (Shia) and Saudi Arabia (Sunni) are engaged in a war of religions that engulfs the Middle East. I don’t know how many times this has to be explained to you. The United States is trying to get the Arab nations to fight their own battles, while blocking the Republicans here from marching another fifty thousand troops into the conflicts there.
Fuck Russia, without the use of Nukes it would be over in a month if full scale war is declared.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There is a difference between THUGR is a genius., and THUGR is a "genius". And everyone knows it except THUGR, who is a "genius".
Love the complement SIG. The way this is written it clearly states that you consider me not only a genius, but by restating it and putting it in quotes, incredible. Wish I could say the same about you but alas, you are a moron.
As for your Turkey invades Iraq quote. Since you were in attack mode and criticizing Turkey with no mention of previous conversations about the term invasion, you clearly were not being sarcastic.
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Originally posted by G:
Stratfor is big in the world speculation business. Stands for: Strategic Forecasting (no wonder SINGSLIKEACANARY likes them so much).
http://www.businessinsider.com/stratfor-has-11-chilling-predictions-fo
r-what-the-world-will-look-like-in-10-years-2015-6
Stratfor has 11 chilling predictions for what the world will look like in 10 years
#1
Russia will collapse ...
*gasp*!...wait... I have to catch my breath... laughing too hard... ok:
"There will not be an uprising against Moscow, but Moscow's withering ability to support and control the Russian Federation will leave a vacuum," Stratfor warns. "What will exist in this vacuum will be the individual fragments of the Russian Federation."
Sanctions, declining oil prices, a plunging ruble, rising military expenses, and increasing internal discord will weaken the hold of Russia's central government over the world's largest country. Russia will not officially split into multiple countries, but Moscow's power may loosen to the point that Russia will effectively become a string of semiautonomous regions that might not even get along with one another.
"We expect Moscow's authority to weaken substantially, leading to the formal and informal fragmentation of Russia" the report states, adding, "It is unlikely that the Russian Federation will survive in its current form."
Awww SNIGGLES, just when you thought things were going so well for your new country!
Hey! OMG! Look what else they said:
"The world has been restructuring itself since 2008, when Russia invaded Georgia and the subprime financial crisis struck."
*double snort* that's just too good - you sure can pick 'em.
"Yea", this is just too good to be true. Hey 1kiki, are you and SIG OK with that?
Hey SIG look. Yea is in quotation marks. What could I possible mean by that?
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Iran (Shia) and Saudi Arabia (Sunni) are engaged in a war of religions that engulfs the Middle East.
Which religious sects were involved in Egypt? Libya? Tunisia? Algeria? Iraq? It sure seems like the US and the western world* (more on this later) go out of their way to be involved in this so-called 'sectarian' strife, with no visible sectarian interests involved - or mentioned by the US or the western press.
The United States is trying to get the Arab nations to fight their own battles... * Then why is it involved in supporting one side over the other, and using everything BUT boots on the ground (except, of course illegal secretive actions by the CIA) to support one side or the other? Are you trying to tell me that the US insistence 'Assad must go' (or Hussein, Qaddafi, Mubarak, or Abidine Ben Ali) is the US NOT engaging itself in that strife? Is THAT the US letting them 'fight their own battles'?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, why do you think Islam is so bad compared to the teachings of other religions and the actions of their most dedicated adherents?
here is one for you, its a link...now before I post it I will give you a warning the writer may be a Deist, he might have a philosophy of Deism....but I'm not selling you anything just asking you to look at some written ideas
http://www.sullivan-county.com/id2/index.htm
The article is interesting
I am not selling you religion, not selling you Christianity or asking you to change philosophy or go to a Hindu temple or change and become Buddhist
I will sum its conclusion in case you can't be bothered to read
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Originally posted by EXTERNAL WEBSITE from a philosophical math teacher and professor:
Conclusion
Islam today is the most violent and intolerant faith on earth and for no good reason. Muslims have lost both their greatness and reason for conspiracy theories, hysteria, and terrorism.
Today most Muslim countries produce nothing and the per capita income even of wealthy Saudi Arabia is half that of South Korea and going down. Most Muslims sit by in silence or make excuses. Religious fundamentalism has left Islam unable to modernize, innovate, or Muslims even to feed themselves. Millions of Muslims live on Western handouts while calling for the death of those that feed them. Islam needs a Muslim Thomas Paine or Thomas Jefferson. The alternative is continued war and conflict with every nation on earth and eventual extermination.
If there is anything factually incorrect on this page, e-mail me and I'll correct it. Send verifiable proof.
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Iran (Shia) and Saudi Arabia (Sunni) are engaged in a war of religions that engulfs the Middle East.
It's always tough to tell when a nation is engaging in a religious war for economic reasons, an economic war for religious reasons, or a shooting war for national reasons.
With more information, I've re-thought my speculation about the mideast troubles being a result of a Sunni-Shia war.
IMHO there are only TWO nations in the Mideast that are engaged in religious wars: Saudi Arabia and Israel. Iran, although theocratic, isn't trying to impose the Shia version of Islam on anybody. They seem to be fighting mostly defensively, and their motives appear to be along the lines of nationalism.
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I don’t know how many times this has to be explained to you. The United States is trying to get the Arab nations to fight their own battles, while blocking the Republicans here from marching another fifty thousand troops into the conflicts there.
First of all, that's 100% bullshit. Leaked embassy cables show that the USA has been fomenting sectarian division in Syria since 2006. Also, there's all of those overt invasions and covert CIA activities - funded by illegal drug trafficking, which the USA Army is prohibited from interfering with (You want to know the reason for the recent "heroin epidemic"? Try cheap opium, sourced from Afghanistan.)
In addition to being 100% counterfactual, you reveal your pro-Democrat biases by saying
"The United States is ... while blocking the Republicans". It's like you think Republicans are NOT part of the United States; only the Democrats in the WH are "the United States"! You should be clearer, at least in your own mind.
Quote:Yes, but not in the direction you think. The military .... not the spooks illegally funding their covert ops with drug sales, but the real military ... is loathe to tangle with Russia, for all kinds of reasons (weapons).
Fuck Russia, without the use of Nukes it would be over in a month if full scale war is declared.
Everything you wrote is wrong. Unbelievable! But at least you're consistent.
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Well, it looks like hellzapoppin' in the ME.
Saudi Arabia - fomenter of jihadism, brutal theocratic tyranny, and our friend and ally - did one of its mass executions a few days ago.
More executions this year than for many previous decades, and an indication that the current Monarch Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud 
... or his favorite first son by his third wife, Mohamed bin Salman Al Saud 
(It's a little hard to tell who's driving the bus) is far more aggressive than the previous monarch.
One of those executed was a well-known Shia cleric, Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr, who was convicted of "terrorist acts". This set off a firestorm- literally- of protest in Iran, as the Saudi Embassy was set on fire. The Saudis and their postage-stamp allies (including Bahrain, which is majority Shia but headed by a Sunni theocracy itself) have either cut diplomatic ties with Iran or downgraded them.
Given that Saudi Arabia was warned by the west about executing the Shia cleric, this execution was an entirely deliberate provocation.
And sure enough, the Iranians were provoked, and in a pre-planned bit of political theater the KSA and its postage-stamp allies went off in a snit.
So, why now?
It must be to derail the UN Syrian peace process which the USA, Russia, Iran, and Saudi Arabia are to begin.
And, as expected, the "opposition" in Syrian - MOSTLY FUNDED BY SAUDI ARABIA (so much for those "moderate Syrian rebels!) are pulling out of the peace talks.
The Saudis clearly don't want a peace. And the only reason to toss the chessboard is when things aren't going well! Either the Russian military action is having the desired effect of routing Saudi terrorists, or the Saudi's oil-price war has boomeranged (subsidy cuts in the KSA!), or the Saudi's two-front war is draining their coffers, or the USA is sidling out the door ... but clearly the Saudis feel as if they're in a weak bargaining positions and don't anticipate a positive outcome from negotiations.
Obama- your move?
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