Saudi Arabia: Foreign policy speculation

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JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, December 16, 2015 8:06 AM

SIGNYM

Saturday, December 19, 2015 11:31 PM

You know that things aren't going well when nominally-allied partners start quibbling with each other. Up until recently, we've had a concordance of interests, more or less, with the Saudis, and the Saudis with the Qataris and al Qaida and al Nusra (and nominally with ISIL), and the Qataris with the Turks, and the Turks and Qataris with ISIL. Just one big happy family, heading - more or less- in the same direction:

Depose Assad
Break the nascent Shia crescent
Establish a Sunni caliphate (That's for Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey to quibble over.)
Establish oil and gas pipelines across Syria to the Mediterranean and the EU
Break the EU's dependence on Russia oil and gas.

All was going swimmingly until Russia intervened, and lately it's been fun watching the cockroaches scatter and seeing where they go hide and who they hide with.

Turkey, having been publicly exposed as THE conduit for aid to ISIL, is now internationally naked: neither the USA nor the EU want to touch it, and it's antagonized Russia beyond immediate repair. What to do???? Well, they've made deal with Israel, where Israel agrees to pay reparations for killing Turkish citizens who were in the pro-Gaza flotilla. Scrounging for loose change, I think. Turkey also announced plans to establish a 3000-strong military base in Qatar to face "common enemies". http://www.reuters.com/article/us-qatar-turkey-military-idUSKBN0TZ17V2
0151216 What those "common enemies" are is open to question, but both Turkey and Qatar are strong supporters of the "Muslim Brotherhood" and ISIL, so I supposed those "common enemies" would be anyone who is fighting ISIL ... i.e. Russia, Iran, Iraq (parts of) and Syria.

Saudi Arabia announced they would gather together a 100,000-strong army ... made of of military units ONLY from Sunni states and including 10,000 American troops ... to "fight ISIL". ISIL was not quite a Saudi project, they were more invested in al Qaida, but they weren't really against it either. To now try and pretend that they're going to "fight ISIL" is ridiculous; "fighting ISIL" is now the most naked of fig-leaves for pure land-grabs. And some of the nations that Saudi Arabia listed as partners, such as Pakistan, Malaysia, and Indonesia, reacted with a Wait... wha...? because the press release was the first they heard of it, and so they refused to be included.

Jordan is still the CIA's favorite conduit for money to ISIL and al Qaida.

The USA is now conceding .... in the face over overwhelming evidence that they would get their military's ass handed to them should they tangle with Russia ... that maybe peace in Syria isn't such a bad idea after all. However, this doesn't represent a change of heart or intent ... the USA bombed Iraqi troops "by mistake" ... I swear to god the USA really DOES want to get kicked out of Iraq, so they can make trouble from Qatar!

When big partnerships start breaking up, it's easier to tease apart who is really allied with whom and on what grounds, because that's when you start to see a divergence of interests. This should be instructive.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Sunday, December 20, 2015 12:21 AM

Hey, c'mon guys!

Speculatin' is important. I feel like I'm being forced to do all the speculatin' myself!

Feel free to join in. It's just speculation, after all!

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Sunday, December 20, 2015 10:12 PM

GSTRING- are you drinking and posting again?

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*snort* an amusing statement after Turkey swats one [of]your planes

One of MY planes??? I guess you must really like ISIL.

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out of the sky like a buzzing fly. I'm guessing Russian planes aren't going to fly that route again any time soon.Turkey 1, Russia 0

Not only are Russian planes flying the same zone, there are no "rebels" left alive down there to shoot at pilots as they drift down on parachutes. Turks now no longer even violate Greek airspace (which they did with impunity before) let alone Syrian airspace. And now, even the USA and it's other "coalition partners" refuse to fly over Syria. Why do you suppose that is?

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BTW, since you obviously weren't paying attention to Syria until your masters notified you to change the focus away from Ukraine... Peace in Syria has always been the idea.

I was paying attention to Syria WHEN Ukraine came up. I've been paying attention to it all along. I said, at the time, that I thought Ukraine was triggered by Syria.

Syria involves our partnerships with Saudi Arabia and the rest of the GCC and Turkey, which also involves pipelinistan, oil and the petrodollar as well as worldwide jihadism. All pretty weighty topics. BTW, I also pay attention to China, the EU, Brazil, Venezuela etc. I'm sorry that your scope of interest isn't wide enough to encompass important and relevant topics, and that you're stuck on Ukraine.

But not to worry, I'm sure Ukraine will come up as a relevant topic soon enough, and then your tiny mind will have something familiar to latch on to.

And now, since you're once again engaging in your incessant narcissism and I'm just enabling it, I'm going to stop responding to you.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

1KIKI

Monday, December 21, 2015 8:22 AM

Jane

First, your post basically says MY RELIGION IS BETTER THAN THEIRS ... because ... theirs is stupid and mine isn't. I reject that argument in its entirety. And it is one of the stupidest, most circular arguments I've ever come across.

Second, NONE of the incidents I described were either retracted or disproved by your post. If you want to dispute MY arguments you actually have to address THEM, not some other point someone else made, somewhere else. BTW the photo of the self-immolating man is here: http:// i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/25/article-2314598-125686A5000005DC-265_634x362.jpg, and it doesn't even remotely resemble the photo in the article I quoted. Swing and a miss.

And you've completely failed to address the barbarities committed by Christians in the past AND PRESENT, which they justify in the name of the bible.

Before regurgitating your hatreds YET AGAIN, try reading ... and thinking.

"Most religions across the CIVILISED world are kind of open-minded ..."

You think Buddhists are religiously tolerant pacifists? "Buddhist Mob Beats 10 Muslims To Death In Myanmar; Communal Violence Spreads". Another year, another example out of many. "'No water for him. Let him die': Horrifying moment Burmese Buddhists set fire to Muslim man in riots which left 43 dead"

And Christian religions in the civilized world were (and are) used to justify barbarities like slavery and lynchings. And if you go to the right places in the US and look white enough you'll hear that talk to this day. And the Bible - as I've repeatedly pointed out, and which you've repeatedly failed to address - IN ITS TEACHINGS says that people need to be stoned, or have their heads or hands cut off for various infractions, among other barbaric punishments.

To keep on with the Christian theme, why don't you look up The Army of God, a group of religious extremists who shoot and bomb and assassinate people in the name of god?

Do you think ALL 2.4 billion Christians should be condemned because of the actions of a minority? After all, that minority calls themselves Christian and THEY CAN POINT TO THE BIBLE for their justification. So there must be something wrong with the religion itself, don't you think? EVEN WORSE the entire Christendom has failed to rise up and condemn these murderers, and terrorists and their supporters. So we must ALL agree with what they're doing. Don't you agree?

Rather than continue to spew your incessant hatred, how about you respond to my post?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, December 21, 2015 11:51 AM

Not sure of the exact numbers but some researchers and guys went out and surveys and polls were done

numbers go something like this -

84% of Muslims in the Middle East support the death penalty for leaving Islam
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
Recent surveys show that most people in several countries with significant Muslim populations have an unfavorable view of ISIS, including virtually all respondents in Lebanon and 94% in Jordan. Relatively small shares say they see ISIS favorably. In some countries, considerable portions of the population do not offer an opinion about ISIS, including a majority (62%) of Pakistanis.
70% Want Sharia Law Above all other Laws
Muslim Views on Suicide Bombing and Gunmen killing Random Infidels
40% have sympathy for bombers
36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure
30% support ISIS
15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh)

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

You think Buddhists are religiously tolerant pacifists? "Buddhist Mob Beats 10 Muslims To Death In Myanmar;

You are a mentally ill Islamophile

and you are posting Pally-Wood propaganda

the Bible and the Christian Bible faith is BS, I have posted PLENTY of times against dumbass Christians...if you want to go bashing bible belt Christians then COOL! I'm all for you bashing those dumb bible nuts, I suggest you give one of those old firefly threads a bump instead of hijacking this thread with your apologizing for Muslim-Supremists, Chistian-bashing and your Islamophillic agenda

it seems you missed my above post

it's PALLY-WOOD

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

get a plane ticket to Burma
and see for yourself
before parroting Western Qatar/Dubai owned mainstream media
you know how the Saudi owns a good chunk of CNN, it owns even the guys at Fox.... Alwaleed al-bin-lad Talal or some prince asshole

no doubt a few monks may have killed some islamists, but what you are getting in your news feed is 'Pally-Wood'

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/06/07/muslim-rohingya-propag
anda-the-fake-pictures-of-the-rohingya-crisis/comment-page-1/

http://www.jamaicans.com/forums/showthread.php?197253-The-fake-picture
s-of-the-Rohingya-crisis

https://twitter.com/bbctrending/status/607767011754532865

http://themuslimissue.tumblr.com/post/120967373921/muslim-rohingya-pro
paganda-the-fake-pictures-of

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=397069947143907&
id=127735030744068

http://pamelageller.com/2015/06/fake-rohingya-persecution-pictures-pro
liferate-on-web.html/

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/38x1eb/the_fake_pictures_of_the
_rohingya_crisis/

fakery

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Jane

First, your post basically says MY RELIGION IS BETTER THAN THEIRS ...

I have no religious book youdumbfuck get with the program I'm here since 2004 you should know me by now, I don't promote any religious stupidity or support any large organized religion or any religious indoctrination

if you happen to go wandering in the sand hungry, walking across the sun and cloud for days, and eat something weird and start speaking to a 'God' or your Gods then cool, please keep it to yourself. People practicing their own faith fine, but hugeass Mosques and rich Buddhist Temples and Preachers that's a game of theft, brianwashing and BS

SIGNYM

Monday, December 21, 2015 5:30 PM

I don't know much about Buddhism or Hinduism, and only a little about Islam and only a little more about Xtianity. What I DO know about the last two religions is that BOTH of their holy books talk about vengeance and punishment .... and forgiveness and tolerance. There's justification for both. People on their own tend to want to go with the "softer" aspects of their religions, the parts about holidays and so forth; it's the power structures which provoke mayhem through constant propagandizing and fear-mongering and (sometimes) weaponizing. Follow the money. If you cut off the money you'll go a long way to reducing the problem.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Monday, December 21, 2015 5:48 PM

One of the events which cause the USA to fold .... and it DID fold, at least formally ... was something that happened just a few weeks ago. I think I've mentioned that my husband has extensive familiarity with weapons of all types. Hell, he has a nearly-photographic memory for all things manmade .... he can tell me by outline what model and year car he's looking at, chip numbers, gear ratios, bore and stroke numbers, and the make and model of nearly every American and Russian weapon system that he's ever looked at.

Frankly, it makes my eyes roll.

So I kind of "yeah ... uh huh... yeah...whatever.." my way thru the discussion of Russia's long-range bomber hitting Syria until about two weeks later, when I actually READ what happened, and it definitely made me sit up an take notice.

Not only did Russia hit Syrian targets with their usual ground-support jets and helicopter gunships, and (previously) long-range cruise missiles from the Caspian Sea, they ALSO sent their long-range bomber all the way around Europe and down the Mediterranean (because the EU and Turkey had denied airspace to ISIL-fighting Russian aircraft), and launched missiles from submarines and ships. I was shocked they would go thru all of the trouble to do something that was militarily so unnecessary.

At first, I thought it was a field-test, but soon figured out it was a demonstration for the Pentagon. Shortly afterwards, Kerry went to Moscow, and soon after that, the UN Security Council with USA approval, voted for Syrian elections. (Something that Russia has been trying to promote since 2012.)

Weapons bore me to tears. I can't tell the difference between an F-16 and an SU-24, or between a corvette or a destroyer. But when military powers are eying each other across a line of hostility, relative weaponry sure makes a difference.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Monday, December 21, 2015 6:28 PM

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So why has Human Rights Watch (HRW)—despite proclaiming itself “one of the world’s leading independent organizations” on human rights—so consistently paralleled U.S. positions and policies? This affinity for the U.S. government agenda is not limited to Latin America. In the summer of 2013, for example, when the prospect of a unilateral U.S. missile strike on Syria—a clear violation of the UN Charter—loomed large, HRW’s executive director Kenneth Roth speculated as to whether a simply “symbolic” bombing would be sufficient. “If Obama decides to strike Syria, will he settle for symbolism or do something that will help protect civilians?” he asked on Twitter. Executive director of MIT’s Center for International Studies John Tirman swiftly denounced the tweet as “possibly the most ignorant and irresponsible statement ever by a major human-rights advocate.”

https://nacla.org/article/hypocrisy-human-rights-watch

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

1KIKI

Monday, December 21, 2015 9:53 PM

"I have no religious book youdumbfuck"

You posted multiple videos of people saying MY RELIGION IS BETTER THAN THEIR RELIGION which I wasted enough time watching. If you didn't mean them as an argument against Islam, you shouldn't have posted any of them.

Don't you agree?

Also, links for your supposed surveys, otherwise - they're just so much blah blah blah. "and you are posting Pally-Wood propaganda" which you've failed to disprove - twice. Because YOUR posts failed to address MY SPECIFIC posts. Again. Want to go for three?

You made this claim:

"Most religions across the CIVILISED world are kind of open-minded ..."

And I provided multiple examples of multiple religions used to justify extreme violence. Even your so-called CIVILIZED religions aren't. Because IN THEIR TEACHINGS are incitements to violence either as punishment against their members or as reasons to war on others. The reason MOST of us don't do that isn't because our religions are so superior, it's because we ignore those many, many teachings.

So why pick on Islam?

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