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Tuesday, December 1, 2015 12:09 AM

Now, all of the sudden, France and Germany want to get onboard with the bombing of ISIL in Syria!

Have they asked permission of Assad, or are they just planning on (continuing) violating Syria's airspace? Whatever they do, they'll have to clear it with the Russians first (who will clear it with Assad). Because with the S400 surface-to-air missiles and all of the Sukhois now being armed with air-to-air missiles, the Syrian airspace is going to be well-defended. (And the Russians can always say "Oops, we thought it was a Turkish plane".)

Meanwhile Syrian national forces advance on Aleppo

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/28/us-mideast-crisis-syria-isla
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Wednesday, December 2, 2015 11:24 PM

RUSSIA PROVIDES PROOF THAT TURKEY IS TRADING ISIL OIL, USA CAN'T FIND 3000 OIL TRUCKS WITH A FLASHLIGHT AND BOTH HANDS

As evidence of the USA's desultory (at best!) campaign against ISIL, Russia provided reconnaissance photos of 3000 trucks trading illegal ISIL oil, which the USA apparently can't find/ hasn't bombed. I would say that since the USA has been in control of Iraqis skies for 14 months, it wouldn't be too far a stretch to say (AGAIN) that the USA has been providing air cover for ISIL

http://twitter.com/wowscasino/status/672028452887928832/photo/1


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On Monday, Turkey’s sultan President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said something funny. In the wake of Vladimir Putin’s contention that Russia has additional proof of Turkey’s participation in Islamic State’s illicit crude trade, Erdogan said he would resign if anyone could prove the accusations.
HAHAHA! Yeah, that IS funny! There's a snowball's chance in hell that will happen!

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Now obviously, conclusive evidence that Ankara is knowingly facilitating the sale of ISIS crude will probably be hard to come by, at least in the short-term, but the silly thing about Erdogan’s pronouncement is that we’re talking about a man who was willing to plunge his country into civil war over a few lost seats in Parliament. The idea that he would ever “step down” is patently absurd.

But that’s not what’s important. What’s critical is that the world gets the truth about who’s financing and facilitating “Raqqa’s Rockefellers.” If a NATO member is supporting this, and if the US has refrained from bombing ISIS oil trucks for 14 months as part of an understanding with Erdogan, well then we have a problem ....

Yes, Houston, there IS a problem.

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First, here’s the bullet point summary via Reuters:

RUSSIA'S DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS RUSSIA'S AIR STRIKES IN SYRIA HELPED TO ALMOST HALVE ILLEGAL OIL TURNOVER
RUSSIA'S DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS TURKISH PRESIDENT AND FAMILY INVOLVED IN BUSINESS WITH ISLAMIC STATE OIL
RUSSIAN DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS WILL CONTINUE STRIKES IN SYRIA ON ISLAMIC STATE OIL INFRASTRUCTURE
RUSSIA'S DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS KNOWS OF THREE ROUTES BY WHICH ISLAMIC STATE OIL IS DIRECTED TO TURKEY
RUSSIAN DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS TO PRESENT NEXT WEEK INFORMATION SHOWING TURKEY HELPING ISLAMIC STATE


That’s the Cliff’s Notes version and the full statement from Deputy Minister of Defence Anatoly Antonov is below. Let us be the first to tell you, Antonov did not hold back.

In the opening address, the Deputy says the ISIS oil trade reaches the highest levels of Turkey's government. He also says Erdogan wouldn’t resign if his face was smeared with stolen Syrian oil. Antonov then blasts Ankara for arresting journalists and mocks Erdogan’s “lovely family oil business.” Antonov even calls on the journalists of the world to "get involved" and help Russia "expose and destroy the sources of terrorist financing."

"Today, we are presenting only some of the facts that confirm that a whole team of bandits and Turkish elites stealing oil from their neighbors is operating in the region," Antonov continues, setting up a lengthy presentation in which the MoD shows photos of oil trucks, videos of airstrikes and maps detailing the trafficking of stolen oil. The clip is presented here with an English voice-over. Enjoy.



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Friday, December 4, 2015 11:24 PM

Israel Conducts Secret Training Exercises Against Russian Air Defense Systems

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... summing up, the contention is that ISIS crude is transported through Turkey to the port of Ceyhan and from there, it makes its way to the Israeli port of Ashdod.

Al-Araby al-Jadeed goes on to quote “a European official at an international oil company,” as saying that "Israel has in one way or another become the main marketer of IS oil. Without them, most IS-produced oil would have remained going between Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Even the three companies would not receive the oil if they did not have a buyer in Israel.”


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-04/israel-conducts-secret-traini
ng-exercises-against-russian-air-defense-systems


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Saturday, December 5, 2015 1:30 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Israel Conducts Secret Training Exercises Against Russian Air Defense Systems

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... summing up, the contention is that ISIS crude is transported through Turkey to the port of Ceyhan and from there, it makes its way to the Israeli port of Ashdod.

Al-Araby al-Jadeed goes on to quote “a European official at an international oil company,” as saying that "Israel has in one way or another become the main marketer of IS oil. Without them, most IS-produced oil would have remained going between Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Even the three companies would not receive the oil if they did not have a buyer in Israel.”


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-04/israel-conducts-secret-traini
ng-exercises-against-russian-air-defense-systems


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You're such an ass. Everybody is conducting those tests. It's called war planning. And when it comes to Russia, everybody is getting ready.

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Monday, December 7, 2015 8:12 PM

OH DEAR:

Assad Slams US Bombing Of Government Troops As Turkey Accuses Russia Of Violating Montreux Treaty

Just to be clear, the USA and it's "coalition partners" have been actively violating Syrian airspace for YEARS. If Syria asked Russia to behave like Turkey, many American and EU planes would have been shot out of the sky by now. However, the violations generally occurred in the far-northeastern corner of Syria, where the Syrian government has little control, and have been primarily non-factors to the actual fighting. Until this report ....

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Meanwhile, the Syrian government says US warplanes attacked SAA positions for the first time since the conflict began, prompting a swift response from Damascus (or from wherever the government is conducting its business these days).

The strike allegedly took place in Paris mastermind Abdelhamid Abaaoud’s old fiefdom of Deir ez Zor. As RT reports, “the coalition jets fired nine missiles at an army camp” killing three and wounding a dozen. “Syria strongly condemns the act of aggression by the US-led coalition that contradicts the UN Charter on goals and principles. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has sent letters to the UN Secretary General and the UN Security Council.”

"This hampers efforts to combat terrorism and proves once again that this coalition lacks seriousness and credibility to effectively fight terrorism," Syria's letter to the United Nations says.

Hilariously, Washington says it has no idea what Syria is talking about: “We’ve seen those Syrian reports but we did not conduct any strikes in that part of Deir ez Zor yesterday. So we see no evidence,” coalition spokesman Colonel Steve Warren said. This is the same Steve Warren who said it's "beyond ridiculous" to suggest that the US is tacitly supporting ISIS. Similarly, Lt. Col. Kristi Beckman, director of public affairs at the Combined Air Operations Center at al-Udeid air base in Qatar, told AP that although he's "aware" of the incident, he doesn't "have any indication that the strikes killed Syrian soldiers."

Of course somebody bombed the SAA position and it damn sure wasn't the Russians, and since ISIS doesn't have an air force, there's really only one explanation as to whose planes were involved. Whether or not the strike was intentional or whether the US thought they were bombing ISIS (which controls the area) is an open question.



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-07/assad-slams-us-bombing-govern
ment-troops-turkey-accuses-russia-violating-montreux-tr


I believe I know where this is going: To the UN, where Assad will request that ALL uninvited foreign forces leave.



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Monday, December 7, 2015 8:17 PM


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Israel Conducts Secret Training Exercises Against Russian Air Defense Systems

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... summing up, the contention is that ISIS crude is transported through Turkey to the port of Ceyhan and from there, it makes its way to the Israeli port of Ashdod.

Al-Araby al-Jadeed goes on to quote “a European official at an international oil company,” as saying that "Israel has in one way or another become the main marketer of IS oil. Without them, most IS-produced oil would have remained going between Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Even the three companies would not receive the oil if they did not have a buyer in Israel.”


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-04/israel-conducts-secret-traini
ng-exercises-against-russian-air-defense-systems

=SIGNY

You're such an ass. Everybody is conducting those tests. It's called war planning. And when it comes to Russia, everybody is getting ready.=IDIOT



YOU'RE such as ass.

(1)First, by starting out with name-calling immediately. How old ARE you anyway, you fucking tool? Six?

(2) Second, by missing the point of the post, which I actually underlined to help direct your (apparently) random attention: Israel is buying ISIL oil.

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Tuesday, December 8, 2015 1:46 AM

'G'

Did you know a sovereign state has the right to limit who gets to meddle in its internal affairs? For example, the Syrian government invited the help of Russia, which makes the Russian presence and activity in Syria legitimate. OTOH, Syria did NOT invite the US to 'help', which makes US bombing of Syria an act of aggression.

I'm betting you didn't know that!




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Tuesday, December 8, 2015 7:17 AM

Did you know Russia didn't invade Ukraine?




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Wednesday, December 9, 2015 8:34 PM

"Iraq Seeks To Cancel Security Agreement With US, Will Invite Russia To Fight ISIS"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-09/iraq-seeks-cancel-security-ag
reement-us-will-invite-russia-fight-isis


So, Turkey invades Iraq, Iraq tells them to leave and Turkey refuses.

USA, and other "coalition partners" bomb eastern Syria and invade Syria's airspace multiple times a day, Syria tells them to stop and (so far) they refuse.


Now, possibly, the USA is getting kicked out of Iraq, lock, stock, and barrel.

I wonder when the USA gets kicked out of Afghanistan.

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Sunday, December 20, 2015 12:18 AM

I think the USA Pentagon has ceded Syria, although I'm sure CIA activities will continue. The unanimous UN Security Council resolution on the roadmap to peace, for which the American representative voted in the affirmative, indicates to me that deposing Assad is a dead issue, at least for the USA. The USA has entirely stopped bombing in eastern Syria, since the S-400's were deployed by the Russians.

I believe there were a number of military factors that went into this. The performance of the Russian military - the demonstration of its long-range cruise missiles, long-range bomber (the White Swan), and especially the Kaliber missile, and the deployment of the S-400 anti-aircraft/anti-missile system - convinced the Pentagon that there would be no joy in tangling with Russia over Syria. Deposing Assad was more of a Saudi, Qatari, or Turkish project, anyway.

There is a meeting of "rebels" in Saudi Arabia in which they are trying to present a united front during negotiations with the Assad government. In that meeting, which includes more than 100 groups, are a majority of foreign-fighter groups. I personally don't think that the Syrian government should be forced to negotiate with foreigners. In a direct Syria-to-Ukraine comparison, that would be like forcing Kiev to negotiate with the Kremlin or Chechnya over the fate of Donbass.

There is precious little news on what is happening "on the ground", although the impression that I get is that Russia is now making a serious attempt to deny Turkey and ISIL the fruits of their mutual trade (oil, antiquities, opium, weapons, and - some say- human transplant organs). The recaptured Kweires airport is now hosting Russian helicopter gunships, and Russia is (supposedly) building another airport nearer to Damascus. Although the USA may have dropped its tacit support of ISIL in Syria, ISIL by itself is still a tough fighting group, containing tens of thousands of foreigners from places as far-flung as Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, Malaysia, China (Xingjiang), Russia, Brussels, and the USA.

As an example of ISIL tactics ... the ISIL we have come to know and hate... Assad offered the fighters in Homs two options: a cease-fire, or passage for them and their families to Idlib. Most Homs residents chose the cease-fire, 700 or so people left Homs on buses and other transport. Two days later, ISIL set off a bomb which killed dozens of people in Homs. Terrorists will always be terrorists, I suppose.

So fighting on the ground I think will be a tough slog, although Assad and the Russians seem to have a timetable for when it will end.


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