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I've thought for a long time that US involvement seemed bifurcated - for example, the fact that there were a number of CIA training operations in Syria BEFORE Congress approved either the involvement or the funding - followed by Obama's recent, abrupt and public cancellation of those efforts. A strong, rogue neo-con presence in the State Department would account for that.

As regarding this: "turn Syria into a big Stalingrad for Turkey and her Saudi allies" I've been trying to make sense of Russia's move to join in. Since it seems to me there are a LOT of ways it could go sideways or backwards, it doesn't strike me as the tactical slam-dunk brilliant move everyone thinks it is. Even with Russia, Syria and Iran joining forces there are equally powerful forces on the other side.

That statement indicates to me Putin means war. Not quick surgical temporary maneuvers, but a bloody brutal death match against international extremists - even if they're overtly supported by the US and NATO/ Turkey. That lines up more with how I read the situation.

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http://www.todayszaman.com/national_chp-deputies-govt-rejects-probe-in
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CHP deputies: Gov’t rejects probe into Turkey’s role in Syrian chemical attack

Two deputies from the main opposition Republican People's Party (CHP) have claimed that the government is against investigating Turkey's role in sending toxic sarin gas which was used in an attack on civilians in Syria in 2013 and in which over 1,300 Syrians were killed.

CHP deputies Eren Erdem and Ali Seker held a press conference in Istanbul on Wednesday in which they claimed the investigation into allegations regarding Turkey's involvement in the procurement of sarin gas which was used in the chemical attack on a civil population and delivered to the terrorist Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) to enable the attack was derailed.

"The MKE [Turkish Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation] is also an actor that is mentioned in the investigation file. Here is the indictment. All the details about how sarin was procured in Turkey and delivered to the terrorists, along with audio recordings, are inside the file," Erdem said while waving the file.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Cluster_Munitions

I will condemn Russia for any cluster bombs it may have used and for not joining the international treaty against them - exactly as loudly as you have condemned Israel and the US for the same in the past.

Otherwise - no, I'm not going to hold myself to a higher standard in this back and forth WITH YOU than you hold yourself. Or, to put it another way - since you're not interested in a open discussion, but instead use hypocritical tactics to 'win' for your 'side', I will not participate in your farce the way you want me to.

Got it?

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That was an awful lot of words to say what we all knew you were going to - "No, I won't criticise my hero Putin."

I will point out that the source, HRW, is the exact same source that blamed Kiev for using cluster bombs in the Ukraine conflict. You SCREAMED against Ukraine then, and you are silent about Russia/Assad now. Your hypocrisy is proven right there, no matter your attempt to deflect by bringing up Israel/the US.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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So - you have no condemnation when the US or Israel uses cluster bombs? No condemnation for their refusal to sign the international ban?


"You SCREAMED against Ukraine then ..." link needed, because your honesty is in serious question ...

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Originally posted by kpo:

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Cluster_Munitions

I will condemn Russia for any cluster bombs it may have used and for not joining the international treaty against them - exactly as loudly as you have condemned Israel and the US for the same in the past.

Otherwise - no, I'm not going to hold myself to a higher standard in this back and forth WITH YOU than you hold yourself. Or, to put it another way - since you're not interested in a open discussion, but instead use hypocritical tactics to 'win' for your 'side', I will not participate in your farce the way you want me to.

Got it?

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That was an awful lot of words to say what we all knew you were going to - "No, I won't criticise my hero Putin."

I will point out that the source, HRW, is the exact same source that blamed Kiev for using cluster bombs in the Ukraine conflict. You SCREAMED against Ukraine then, and you are silent about Russia/Assad now. Your hypocrisy is proven right there, no matter your attempt to deflect by bringing up Israel/the US.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Right on Target KPO, as always even in the worst of circumstances our two comrade trolls make excuses for and deflect to another subject to protect Putin.

The question comrade troll is not whether we condemn in past tense Israel or the U.S. for using cluster bombs, but instead, why do you refuse to condemn Putin for using them after screaming foul when the Ukraine is accused of the same thing in it's current conflict with Russia.

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So - you have no condemnation when the US or Israel uses cluster bombs? No condemnation for their refusal to sign the international ban?


"You SCREAMED against Ukraine then ..." link needed, because your honesty is in serious question ...

And I'm still waiting kpo.

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As regarding this: "turn Syria into a big Stalingrad for Turkey and her Saudi allies" I've been trying to make sense of Russia's move to join in. Since it seems to me there are a LOT of ways it could go sideways or backwards, it doesn't strike me as the tactical slam-dunk brilliant move everyone thinks it is. Even with Russia, Syria and Iran joining forces there are equally powerful forces on the other side.

That statement indicates to me Putin means war. Not quick surgical temporary maneuvers, but a bloody brutal death match against international extremists - even if they're overtly supported by the US and NATO/ Turkey. That lines up more with how I read the situation.

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Hmmm ... I hadn't thought about it that way, but you're right: Stalingrad is a pretty hefty historical reference, not one to pull out lightly. It does imply that Putin sees this as an existential threat.

After Syria, the NEXT domino to fall is Iraq. The USA has sent what seems to be a parade of high-ranking officials to Iraq to ensure that Iraq doesn't ask Russia for help (and kick the USA out). Obama, Marine Gen Dunford, and Gen John Allen have been going back and forth with al-Abadi (Iraqi PM). Dunford went to far as tell al-Abadi that he had to choose between Russia or the USA. Both Dunford and Allen received polite assurances that Iraq wouldn't choose Russia ...

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In a meeting with Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi of Iraq, General Allen received assurance that a new “coordination center” the Russians had established here with Iraq, Iran and Syria would not organize military operations but would limit itself to sharing information about the militants

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/24/world/middleeast/general-john-allen-
obama-isis.html

.... but nobody thought to ask the Iraqi Parliament, who apparently promptly voted to ask Russia for help! And not only did Russia apparently roll up Iraq, they also rolled up Jordan. This is a very worthwhile article, more informative than the normal Zerohedge apocalypse:

Russia Takes Over The Mid-East: Moscow Gets Green Light For Strikes In Iraq, Sets Up Alliance With Jordan
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-24/russia-takes-over-mid-east-mo
scow-gets-green-light-strikes-iraq-sets-alliance-jordan

Meanwhile Turkey is [apparently] STILL angling to create a "safe zone" in northern Syria which would allow continued support for its jihadists in Syria. As a member of NATO, this could potentially place Russia and NATO in direct opposition. And Merkel just went over to Turkey and is willing to give Turkey anything ... or almost anything ... to make the refugee crisis stop. So Merkel will hand over money. EU membership. Maybe even that "safe zone" that Turkey still wants (which I believe Tureky is using as a bargaining chip - that remains to be seen when the final agreement is worked out).

There are bits and pieces in the western media about all these negotiations, but this article seems to sum it up pretty well:

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Turkey is pressuring Germany to create “safe zones” inside Syria as a “price” for alleviating the EU’s refugee crisis. It’s a Faustian bargain that could escalate the Syrian conflict, where NATO forces could end up pitted against Russia’s military.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s hot-footing to Istanbul last weekend was capped with a U-turn regarding Turkey’s much sought-after membership of the European Union. In a surprise move, Merkel announced that she was now in favor of pushing for Turkey’s accession to the EU, when only a few weeks ago she had reiterated her opposition to its membership.“Turkey holds the cards,” declared the German news outlet Deutsche Welle. And it’s hard to disagree with that, given Turkey’s pivotal role in Europe’s migrant crisis, which has seen the biggest mass movement of people since the Second World War. Some 600,000 refugees have reached EU borders this year alone, according to the International Organization for Migration.

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