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PARIS UNDER ATTACK

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Saturday, November 14, 2015 9:14 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

And in response to the Charlie Hebdo massacre, SecState Kerry did indeed bring James Taylor to a PRESS CONFERENCE to sing a song of comfort and reassurance ... about the most candy ass and pointless gesture this country has ever done following a truly horrific event.



John Kerry laid it on thick after failing to show up with world leaders to march through Paris in solidarity after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. The "Charlie" in the newspaper's name is a reference to Charles Schulz's Charlie Brown.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, November 14, 2015 9:23 PM

That's what I love about FFF.net - I will never find your kind of responses anyplace else! This site is as unique as you are!

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OF COURSE all Muslims will be painted with the same brush!

This is the second terrorist attack in France in less than a year. The response to the Charlie Hebdo attack (Jan 2015) was to draw the leaders of the EU together, Hollande, Merkel, and Cameron marching arm-in-arm through the streets of Paris. (Cameron is out of the picture in this shot. See Netanyahu third to Hollande's right, and Poroshenko sixth to Hollande's left? Now THERE'S a rogues gallery if there ever was one!)

or at least posing for the photographers that way! ....


People drew together, at least, enough for the anti-terror demonstration of almost 4 million people. Paradoxically, but as so often happens in times of shock, Hollande's popularity doubled, at least temporarily...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-attacks-francois-
hollande-sees-his-popularity-ratings-double-in-wake-of-strong-french-response-9988775.html


But this time around, I don't think that fatuous response is going to fly. On the other hand, I'm not sure what's going to happen next. Leaders often try to use national tragedy to further their own agenda, whatever that is. People, being herd-like animals, usually are led by their emotions into going along with whatever the leaders seem to be intent on doing.

The REASONABLE response would be to recognize that, at least as far as the jihadists are concerned, they are waging worldwide war*. Where they have tanks and trucks and mortars - as in Syria- that's what they'll use. Where they don't, they'll use suicide vests and assault rifles.

The LOGICAL thing to do would be to recognize and react to that war and to ally others who are fighting that war - i.e. Russia. But I'll bet you dollars to donuts that those is power (ie those who shoulder most of the blame) in Europe will find a way to blame Russia ... Something along the lines of If Russia hadn't stirred up a hornet's-nest in Syria, we wouldn't be targeted now ... because Russia is the whipping boy du jour, and ignoring the role that Saudi Arabia and the rest of the GCC, Turkey, the USA, UK and France played in destabilizing the whole region and implanting, arming, and funding Wahhabi jihadists everywhere . And then they'll distract from the conflict at-hand and kick the can down the road. Because war is so .... yanno ... HARD, and Europeans just aren't up for it. They, like Ukrainians, want to sip coffee and stroll the boulevards, and I'm not sure if even this attack is enough to shake them out of their "business as usual" nonchalance.

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Hubby has a different take. He immediately started tallying winners and losers. So running thru the list of European parties and politicians, in his humble opinion -

FRANCE: Hollande will be the loser. Marine LePen will take the next election.

HUNGARY: Viktor Orban is probably patting himself on the back pretty hard by now for having had the foresight to put up a fence.

BRITAIN: UKIP on the plus side.

GREECE: Golden Dawn (far right) will use this to pad their rolls.

GERMANY: Merkel must be shitting a brick right now. Isn't she the one who strong-armed the rest of the EU into taking migrants without the ability to perform the most basic screening and tracking?

EU/BRUSSELS and the SCHENGEN ZONE- Borders will immediately close, and the centralized entity that enforces the visa-less travel zone will be ignored. This is one prediction I agree with.


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* I read an interesting explanation about Islam and its dual nature. The Q'uran says several different things on the sam

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Saturday, November 14, 2015 9:56 PM

France's Far-Right Party Calls For Nation To "Re-Arm Itself", Revoke Muslims' Passports, "Eradicate" Radical Islam

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If there is one 'winner' from last night's terrible events in Paris, it is France's anti-EU, anti-immigration far-right wing Front Nationale party leader Marine Le Pen. Having already ascended to the lead in yet another poll ahead of France's 2017 elections, Le Pen came out swinging this morning call for France to "re-arm itself," stating that radical Islam must be "eradicated" from France. She further demanded that border controls be made "permanent" and binational Islamists must be depreived of their French passport.

As Bloomberg notes:

*FAR RIGHT PARTY LEADER MARINE LE PEN COMMENTS IN TV SPEECH
*LE PEN SAYS FRANCE NEEDS TO CONTROL ITS BORDERS PERMANENTLY
*LE PEN CALLS FOR PERMANENT BORDER CONTROLS
*LE PEN CALLS FOR 'ERADICATION' OF RADICAL ISLAMISM IN FRANCE
*LE PEN: FRANCE IS 'VULNERABLE', 'MUST RE-ARM ITSELF'
*LE PEN: FRENCH PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER SAFE
*LE PEN: BI-NATIONAL ISLAMISTS MUST DEPRIVED OF FRENCH PASSEPORT

Which is all fine if this was some extreme and unpopular party, but in fact...

Marine Le Pen Tops Another French Presidency Poll


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-14/frances-far-right-party-calls
-nation-re-arm-itself-revoke-muslims-passports-eradicat


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Poland Backs Away From Plan to Accommodate Migrants After Paris Attack
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151114/1030106456/poland-migrant-crisi
s-paris-attacks.html#ixzz3rUBjH4J2


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Syrian Passport Found at Paris Attack Site Belonged to Asylum Seeker
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151114/1030109419/paris-attacker-greek
-connection.html#ixzz3rUByrUyE



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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

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Saturday, November 14, 2015 10:10 PM

Thank you open boarders crowd, in an effort for Democrats to get more votes, and for many Republicans to hire cheap labor, ISIS is bringing their fight HERE! The French let anyone in to show how wonderful they are, now France is closed and at this time a police state. Now even after they lift the curfew, everyone in Paris will be afraid to go out for coffee. If anyone asks me "why do they hate us?" I'm going to punch them in the mouth.

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Saturday, November 14, 2015 10:13 PM

If a nation can't control its borders, it may as well not be a nation.

I see Donald Trump as another winner from this fiasco.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

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Saturday, November 14, 2015 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
France's Far-Right Party Calls For Nation To "Re-Arm Itself", Revoke Muslims' Passports, "Eradicate" Radical Islam

Quote:

If there is one 'winner' from last night's terrible events in Paris, it is France's anti-EU, anti-immigration far-right wing Front Nationale party leader Marine Le Pen. Having already ascended to the lead in yet another poll ahead of France's 2017 elections, Le Pen came out swinging this morning call for France to "re-arm itself," stating that radical Islam must be "eradicated" from France. She further demanded that border controls be made "permanent" and binational Islamists must be depreived of their French passport.

As Bloomberg notes:

*FAR RIGHT PARTY LEADER MARINE LE PEN COMMENTS IN TV SPEECH
*LE PEN SAYS FRANCE NEEDS TO CONTROL ITS BORDERS PERMANENTLY
*LE PEN CALLS FOR PERMANENT BORDER CONTROLS
*LE PEN CALLS FOR 'ERADICATION' OF RADICAL ISLAMISM IN FRANCE
*LE PEN: FRANCE IS 'VULNERABLE', 'MUST RE-ARM ITSELF'
*LE PEN: FRENCH PEOPLE ARE NO LONGER SAFE
*LE PEN: BI-NATIONAL ISLAMISTS MUST DEPRIVED OF FRENCH PASSEPORT

Which is all fine if this was some extreme and unpopular party, but in fact...

Marine Le Pen Tops Another French Presidency Poll


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-14/frances-far-right-party-calls
-nation-re-arm-itself-revoke-muslims-passports-eradicat


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Poland Backs Away From Plan to Accommodate Migrants After Paris Attack
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151114/1030106456/poland-migrant-crisi
s-paris-attacks.html#ixzz3rUBjH4J2


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Syrian Passport Found at Paris Attack Site Belonged to Asylum Seeker
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151114/1030109419/paris-attacker-greek
-connection.html#ixzz3rUByrUyE



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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.



What the Hell did you expect! People are scared and believe their leaders can't protect them! Lunatics with guns go where there are people with no guns. In many E.U. country's even the police don't carry guns. You think the far right is nuts because they want to be able to fight back, but the left just letting people just pour in is a sane thing to do? And you wonder why Trump is climbing in the polls?

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Saturday, November 14, 2015 10:37 PM

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What the Hell did you expect!
I think I expected about what we're seeing. I think I even said ... in the discussion about the migrant (THEY ARE NOT REFUGEES) crisis something along the lines of "and this will all come undone with the first terror attack".

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People are scared and believe their leaders can't protect them!


What they should realize is that their leaders DON'T WANT to protect them. Their leaders have other considerations, like keeping the wealthy elite happy and making a lot of money after office. Their Presidents and Prime Ministers aren't some substitute-daddy, lying awake at night thinking of "their people".

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Lunatics with guns go where there are people with no guns. In many E.U. country's even the police don't carry guns.
That's another issue. I wont' argue for more snooping or a more militarized police.

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You think the far right is nuts because they want to be able to fight back, but the left just letting people just pour in is a sane thing to do? And you wonder why Trump is climbing in the polls?
This is one of the areas where I agree with the rightwing, and my leftist friends and liberals are scandalized.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

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Saturday, November 14, 2015 10:43 PM

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So... French Boots on the sandy ground by... Dec 1st? Before that? Jan 1st? US boots along with them? Who's in the coalition?
They will have to coordinate with Assad and Putin, and they will have to decide once and for all if Assad is really worse than a nation filled with Takfiri-Wahhabists. Yanno, they thought that destroying Iraq and Libya and Syria was something they could do without consequence. They were wrong- they played with fire and now they're getting burned.

Syria, Russia, and Iran are going to win the war in Syria, with or without the west. It will be up to the west to figure out how they might push the anti-jihad effort forward (i.e tag along).

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

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Sunday, November 15, 2015 1:11 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
JO753,,,

There are 7 billion people on Earth. During WW11 the Jews lost 6 million to the furnaces. The Russians lost about 20 million. That doesn't include the losses the rest of us suffered. Dude, get a grip or better yet. Fly off to Syria and surrender, hurry before it's too late!




World War 11?! The timeline I'm from, we only had 2!

I got alot uv reading to do!

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.nooalf.com

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Sunday, November 15, 2015 4:16 AM

In Belgium, raids were conducted in the Brussels suburb of Molenbeek-Saint-Jean, Justice Ministry spokeswoman Sieghild Lacoere said. A car rented in Brussels was found near one of the sites of the Paris attacks, and "that's what triggered the raids," Lacoere said.

In all, the raids took place in three homes in Molenbeek-Saint-Jean, a Western intelligence source told CNN.

At least one of the raids is connected to the Paris attacks, according to the source, who is in contact with French and Belgian intelligence services. The other raids are connected to individuals known to Belgium intelligence, the source said. Some of the Paris attackers are also known to Belgium intelligence, the source added.

A man who rented a VW Polo used by terrorists at the Bataclan concert venue was intercepted at the border with Belgium, Paris prosecutor Francois Molins said. The man, who was driving a different vehicle when he was caught, is a French national living in Belgium and was accompanied by two other people, Molins said.

One of the terrorists who died in Paris was identified as a 30-year-old French national from Courcouronnes in the city's southern suburbs, Molins said Saturday.

That individual was involved in the attack on a concert hall, had a criminal history and was identified as having been radicalized in 2010, but that person had never been accused of terrorism, Molins said.

Molins said the attacker was identified by fingerprints.

A Syrian passport was found near the body of an attacker outside one of the targeted sites, the Stade de France, according to a police source, CNN affiliate France 2 and other French media reported.

A source close to the investigation told CNN that an Egyptian passport was found on another attacker. "There is strong assumption that these passports are fake," the source said.




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