70 Years Since Hiroshima
POSTED BY: Magonsdaughter
UPDATED: Saturday, August 8, 2026 10:26
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" I actually looked up every claim made in the first half of the video."
Silly you. You still think they're interested in facts. Their inability to support their own claims, or refute the claims of other based on FACTS is complete. And they stopped even pretending to post on-topic a long time ago and resorted to pure and total trolling.
FACTS are their enemies, not their friends.
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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Apparently they run screaming from facts, with their fingers in their ears.
It's a funny mental picture!
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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.
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What was innovative about Hiroshima was that General Curtis LeMay could destroy a city 6 hours flying time away in his silk pajamas.
Back in Washington D.C., General Leslie Groves had to sleep in his office on a cot while waiting for a teletype message from the Pacific island of Tinian that his bomb worked as designed.
In time the technology was greatly improved. A city could be killed an hour after the decision was made. Almost no waiting for the Generals!
Truman delayed the start of the Potsdam summit by two weeks in the hope that the bomb could be tested before the start of negotiations with Stalin. The Trinity Test of July 16 exceeded expectations. On July 26, Allied leaders issued the Potsdam Declaration outlining terms of surrender for Japan. It was presented as an ultimatum and stated that without a surrender, the Allies would attack Japan, resulting in "the inevitable and complete destruction of the Japanese armed forces and just as inevitably the utter devastation of the Japanese homeland".
Japan attempted to save face -- Japan's willingness to surrender remained conditional on the preservation of the imperial institution; that Japan not be occupied; that the Japanese armed forces be disbanded voluntarily; and that war criminals be prosecuted by Japanese courts. The Japanese never believed they would get those demands, but those were worth asking for.
Under the 1943 Quebec Agreement with the United Kingdom, the United States had agreed that nuclear weapons would not be used against another country without mutual consent. General LeMay decided differently.
At Potsdam, Truman agreed to a request from Winston Churchill that Britain be represented when the atomic bomb was dropped. General LeMay decided differently.
William Penney and Group Captain Leonard Cheshire were sent to Tinian, but found that LeMay would not let them accompany the mission. All they could do was send a strongly worded signal back to the head of the British Joint Staff Mission, Field Marshal Sir Henry Maitland Wilson because General LeMay decided differently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasak
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The bizarre part is that asshole General LeMay was left in charge of dropping atom bombs for Two! More! Decades! Perhaps that is no more bizarre than leaving that asshole J. Edgar Hoover in charge of the FBI for five decades. J Edgar didn't have nukes, so I guess it was much safer than the case with LeMay.
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One of the best movies ever made.
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Perhaps it is now your turn? Start the discussion.
I've already commented and spoke my mind on various things including the Allied air campaign in general, the Dresden bombings specifically, the bombings of Hamburg (which were just as devastating as the Dresden bombings - yet not fixated upon anywhere near as much), and also the question of the morality of war, civilians vs. military fatalities etc.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Quote:Yes, we know: It's all Nazi propaganda!!
Originally posted by kpo:Quote:
Perhaps it is now your turn? Start the discussion.
I've already commented and spoke my mind on various things including the Allied air campaign in general, the Dresden bombings specifically, the bombings of Hamburg (which were just as devastating as the Dresden bombings - yet not fixated upon anywhere near as much), and also the question of the morality of war, civilians vs. military fatalities etc.
BWAHAHAHAHA!
*wipes eyes, walks away still laughing*
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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.
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Quote:Major Kong is a rube, a hick, the wrong character to choose for explaining the decision to nuke Hiroshima. The man really making the decisions about what day bombs drop is not Truman. It is General Curtis LeMay. LeMay's trademark cigar is stuck in the mouth of General Jack D. Ripper in Dr Strangelove (1964) http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/DrStrangelove
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Dr. Strangelove: Major Kong Rides The Bomb 1080p
Curtis LeMay bombing Japan, as told by Robert McNamara, a retired Secretary of Defense, in The Fog of War (2003).
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yes, we know: It's all Nazi propaganda!!
BWAHAHAHAHA!
No, the Nazi propaganda was YOUR contribution (thanks again for that by the way), but luckily before you came to the thread there was a discussion on Dresden, Hamburg etc. that was more sensible.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Quote:From one side the discussion went like this:
Originally posted by kpo:
before you came to the thread there was a discussion on Dresden, Hamburg etc. that was more sensible.
The Alliance went to war to stop the spreading of telepathy by its leader, River Tam.
(The Allies went to war to stop the spreading of fascism by its leader, Adolph Hitler.)
Killing everyone in Haven was necessary to stop River's telepathy.
(Killing everyone in Dresden was necessary to stop Hitler's fascism.)
That is how deep one side was thinking. The other side was thinking along different lines that did not assume as the kill numbers got bigger, the closer victory came.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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