70 Years Since Hiroshima
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I had to watch it just out of curiosity. Well I'll say this, it's probably the finest made piece of pure lies and bullshit I've ever seen. Brilliant in its production quality and florid narration, it's easy to see how brainless gullible idiots are duped into believing it.
The production is very slick... but it still immediately stank of bullshit. No surprise to me to see Sig and kiki lapping up propaganda after the Ukraine thread - however Nazi propaganda is a new development for them. Shows how far they've sunk I suppose. Rubles well spent, Mr Putin.
Any evidence for your claims? No, of course not. There never is.
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February 13, 1945 : Firebombing of Dresden
On the evening of February 13, 1945, a series of Allied firebombing raids begins against the German city of Dresden, reducing the “Florence of the Elbe” to rubble and flames, and killing as many as 135,000 people. It was the single most destructive bombing of the war—including Hiroshima and Nagasaki—and all the more horrendous because little, if anything, was accomplished strategically, since the Germans were already on the verge of surrender.
Among the conclusions reached at the February 1945 Yalta Conference of the Allied powers was the resolution that the Allies would engage in concerted strategic bombing raids against German cities known for war-production and manufacturing, in an effort to bring the Nazi war machine to a crashing halt. The tragic irony of the raid on Dresden, a medieval city renowned for its rich artistic and architectural treasures, is that during the war it had never been a site of war-production or major industry. Both Allies and Germans alike have argued over the real purpose of the firebombing; the ostensible “official” rationale was that Dresden was a major communications center and bombing it would hamper the German ability to convey messages to its army, which was battling Soviet forces at the time. But the extent of the destruction was, for many, disproportionate to the stated strategic goal—many believe that the attack was simply an attempt to punish the Germans and weaken their morale.
More than 3,400 tons of explosives were dropped on the city by 800 American and British aircraft. The firestorm created by the two days of bombing set the city burning for many more days, littering the streets with charred corpses, including many children. Eight square miles of the city was ruined, and the total body count was between 35,000 and 135,000 (an approximation is all that was possible given that the city was filled with many refugees from farther east). The hospitals that were left standing could not handle the numbers of injured and burned, and mass burials became necessary.
Among the American POWs who were in Dresden during the raid was novelist Kurt Vonnegut, who conveyed his experience in his classic antiwar novel Slaughterhouse Five.
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Bombing of Dresden
From February 13 to February 15, 1945, during the final months of World War II (1939-45), Allied forces bombed the historic city of Dresden, located in eastern Germany. The bombing was controversial because Dresden was neither important to German wartime production nor a major industrial center, and before the massive air raid of February 1945 it had not suffered a major Allied attack. By February 15, the city was a smoldering ruin and an unknown number of civilians—estimated at somewhere between 35,000 and 135,000–were dead.
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Bombing of Dresden: Background
World War II and Area Bombing
Bombing of Dresden: February 1945
Bombing of Dresden: Aftermath
Bombing of Dresden: Background
By February 1945, the jaws of the Allied vise were closing shut on Nazi Germany. In the west, Nazi leader Adolf Hitler’s (1889-1945) desperate counteroffensive against the Allies in Belgium’s Ardennes forest had ended in total failure. In the east, the Red army had captured East Prussia and reached the Oder River, less than 50 miles from Berlin. The once-proud Luftwaffe was a skeleton of an air fleet, and the Allies ruled the skies over Europe, dropping thousands of tons of bombs on Germany every day.
From February 4 to February 11, the “Big Three” Allied leaders–U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt (1882-1945), British Prime Minister Winston Churchill (1874-1965) and Soviet Premier Joseph Stalin (1878-1953)–met at Yalta in the USSR and compromised on their visions of the postwar world. Other than deciding on what German territory would be conquered by which power, little time was given to military considerations in the war against the Third Reich. However, Churchill and Roosevelt did promise Stalin to continue their bombing campaign against eastern Germany in preparation for the advancing Soviet forces.
World War II and Area Bombing
An important aspect of the Allied air war against Germany involved what is known as “area” or “saturation” bombing. In area bombing, all enemy industry–not just war munitions–is targeted, and civilian portions of cities are obliterated along with troop areas. Before the advent of the atomic bomb, cities were most effectively destroyed through the use of incendiary bombs that caused unnaturally fierce fires in the enemy cities. Such attacks, Allied command reasoned, would ravage the German economy, break the morale of the German people and force an early surrender.
Germany was the first to employ area bombing tactics during its assault on Poland in September 1939. In 1940, during the Battle of Britain, the Luftwaffe failed to bring Britain to its knees by targeting London and other heavily populated areas with area bombing attacks. Stung but unbowed, the Royal Air Force (RAF) avenged the bombings of London and Coventry in 1942 when it launched the first of many saturation bombing attacks against Germany. In 1944, Hitler named the world’s first long-range offensive missile V-1, after “vergeltung,” the German word for “vengeance” and an expression of his desire to repay Britain for its devastating bombardment of Germany.
The Allies never overtly admitted that they were engaged in saturation bombing; specific military targets were announced in relation to every attack. However, it was but a veneer, and few mourned the destruction of German cities that built the weapons and bred the soldiers that by 1945 had killed more than 10 million Allied soldiers and even more civilians. The firebombing of Dresden would prove the exception to this rule.
Bombing of Dresden: February 1945
Before World War II, Dresden was called “the Florence of the Elbe” and was regarded as one the world’s most beautiful cities for its architecture and museums. Although no German city remained isolated from Hitler’s war machine, Dresden’s contribution to the war effort was minimal compared with other German cities. In February 1945, refugees fleeing the Russian advance in the east took refuge th
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I'd be surprised if kids today didn't believe this was an accurate portrayal of the aftermath of mid 1940's.
Seriously.....
I don't have any kids. It's not my fault your kids are fucking dumb. :)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:There is the warning label. South Park always begins with a scene that reads: The following program contains coarse language and due to its content should not be viewed by anyone. Can't kids read?
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I'd be surprised if kids today didn't believe this was an accurate portrayal of the aftermath of mid 1940's.
Seriously.....
I don't have any kids. It's not my fault your kids are fucking dumb. :)
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Any evidence for your claims? No, of course not. There never is.
Still stubbornly defending a propaganda video from a neo-Nazi website. Good old kiki.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/firebombing-of-dresden
http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/battle-of-dresden
Hooray! These articles are much better than Nazi propaganda, and can form a basis for discussion.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Quote:Perhaps it is now your turn? Start the discussion.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/firebombing-of-dresden
http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/battle-of-dresden
Hooray! These articles are much better than Nazi propaganda, and can form a basis for discussion.
Maybe you could claim that killing anyone, anywhere, anytime, using any method is permissible in war? Or, maybe you will be a little softer by claiming the boundary between a just act of war and a war crime is very fuzzy or fluid and that no one can tell where it is, except the victor? Unless you're general or politician at least 100 years old, you're too young to be a victor, but you can claim status as their spokesperson or unpaid public defender.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
conjectures - not facts
First of all - it was Russia that won WWII in Europe. Without the eastern front sapping resources Germany would have been in a much stronger position vis-a-vis the allies.
False.
Hitler was winning all 5 fronts in the War until America entered. The Russians had been there all along, and Hitler was barely sneezing while overrunning them. While still winning on every front they fought on. The Russians were not winning then, even with the American's supplying materiel to the allies, before declaring War.
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I had to watch it just out of curiosity. Well I'll say this, it's probably the finest made piece of pure lies and bullshit I've ever seen. Brilliant in its production quality and florid narration, it's easy to see how brainless gullible idiots are duped into believing it. -JONGSSTRAW
The production is very slick... but it still immediately stank of bullshit. No surprise to me to see Sig and kiki lapping up propaganda after the Ukraine thread - however Nazi propaganda is a new development for them. Shows how far they've sunk I suppose. Rubles well spent, Mr Putin.- KPO
Any evidence for your claims? No, of course not. There never is.- KIKI
Nope, there never is.
Gentlemen ... and I use the term advisedly, since you behave like 6-year-olds ... I actually looked up every claim made in the first half of the video.
Did Churchill really say what he said? Yes, according to what I found, he did.
Were the cities bombed which were claimed? Yes, they were.
Were people really rendered down to fat, instantly ignited, or slowly charred? It's a little hard to deny the evidence because there are photos, but ... yes, they really were, according to documented eyewitness accounts. (I've tested crematoria and medical waste incinerators, and I can tell you it's all about temperature, time. and oxygen content. But I digress...)
Were multiple runs made? Were open spaces bombed? Yes, and yes.
The problem that you're having with the video isn't because it's inaccurate or untrue. The ONLY problem that you have with the video is because it reveals the horrors of war visited on a civilian population ... a population you deem worthless. And you'd like to keep it that way.
But let one hair of a Kiev citizen be harmed, and there is no length of outrage too great!
Biased, much?
Yanno, you should really read Slaughterhouse 5. It addresses in fictional form what the video addresses with real pictures.
But, wait! If you start reading it, pretty soon, you'll be saying that Slaughterhouse 5 is propaganda too!
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Still stubbornly defending a propaganda video from a neo-Nazi website. Good old kiki.
troll
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