70 Years Since Hiroshima
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Why does that matter to THIS DISCUSSION?
Anyway, you've made many, many claims, which have proven untrue or irrelevant. I'm not going to waste my time discussing anything with you until you come up with something worth discussing.
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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Why does that matter to THIS DISCUSSION ?
I'll answer that one for you - No, the Hellstorm video I posted is blatant Nazi propaganda.
Now back to Sig's video. You seem strongly convinced that it is 'factual'. Why is that? You know a lot about the WWII bombing of Dresden?
It's not personal. It's just war.
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You seem strongly convinced that it is 'factual'. Why is that? You know a lot about the WWII bombing of Dresden?
Yes.
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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Then you should have a lot of facts at your disposal. Why rely on a source that spews Nazi propaganda?
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Still avoiding the actual topic?
You've made many, many claims, which have proven untrue or irrelevant. I'm not going to waste my time discussing anything with you until you come up with something worth discussing.
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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It's just plain commonsense in the military that war is about military force and nothing else. When the number of dead is large enough, you win. There is really no practical value bothering yourself with who is killed. Dead civilians or soldiers, it is all the same in the number. That number is the military's only responsibility.
A-bombs are very important to this commonsense view of war. Win the war in a single day. The unconditional surrender and the paper work of a peace treaty will follow in a week or two.
As a reminder, General Curtis LeMay was in charge of bombing Hiroshima. Two decades later, he was quoted: “My solution to the problem would be to tell [the North Vietnamese Communists] frankly that they've got to draw in their horns and stop their aggression or we're going to bomb them into the Stone Age. And we would shove them back into the Stone Age with Air power or Naval power—not with ground forces.” Mission With LeMay: My Story (1965), p. 565.
While he was running for Vice-President, in an interview two years after the publication of this book, General LeMay said, "I never said we should bomb them back to the Stone Age. I said we had the capability to do it. I want to save lives on both sides."; reported in The Washington Post (October 4, 1968), p. A8. Many years later LeMay would claim that this was his ghost writer's overwriting. General LeMay did not feel it was his responsibility to read his own book before it was published.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_LeMay#Vice_presidential_candidacy
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Still avoiding the actual topic?
No kik, I'm not going to give a video from a neo-Nazi website the time of day. If you and Sig can't understand that, that says more about you than it does about me.
What do you suppose, these guys at the neo-Nazi website decided to take a break from spewing Nazi propaganda, to make a serious, balanced and well-researched documentary?
It's not personal. It's just war.
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What do you suppose, these guys at the neo-Nazi website decided to take a break from spewing Nazi propaganda, to make a serious, balanced and well-researched documentary?
I had to watch it just out of curiosity. Well I'll say this, it's probably the finest made piece of pure lies and bullshit I've ever seen. Brilliant in its production quality and florid narration, it's easy to see how brainless gullible idiots are duped into believing it.
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The production is very slick... but it still immediately stank of bullshit. No surprise to me to see Sig and kiki lapping up propaganda after the Ukraine thread - however Nazi propaganda is a new development for them. Shows how far they've sunk I suppose. Rubles well spent, Mr Putin.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Quote:I was reading a book about Robert Oppenheimer, father of the atom bomb. It was fear that made possible the crime that was committed against Oppenheimer in 1954 - a hysterical, irrational fear of the Soviet Union.
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Rubles well spent, Mr Putin.
So demented were Oppenheimer's enemies that, even after what they described as his "unfrocking" - the official decision that he did indeed pose a risk to national security - they insisted he was on the brink of defecting to the Soviet Union and so must continue to be followed and bugged wherever he went, a permanent target for a paranoid FBI. More money had been spent eavesdropping on his conversations, he once joked, than on the atomic bomb itself.
Peace in 1945 made him a national hero and a powerful voice in Washington, but he was also increasingly anxious about America going immediately into Cold War. His qualms made him enemies. He asked too many questions. Can these particular politicians and generals (Oppenheimer knew them personally) be trusted with these particular weapons? How can you stop an arms race? Would a war fought with H-bombs be worth winning?
Eventually, the particular politicians and generals from WWII that Oppenheimer knew had very unsound character and poor judgment either retired or self-destructed. Oppenheimer was (to use an old communist term which seems fitting) rehabilitated, as John F Kennedy welcomed him to the White House and Lyndon B Johnson gave him a medal. America was sorry, and America was embarrassed. Especially nice was that America stopped building too many H-bombs every year and stopped too goddamn many test explosions in the atmosphere.
“There are no secrets about the world of nature. There are secrets about the thoughts and intentions of men.” -- Interview with Edward R. Murrow, A Conversation with J. Robert Oppenheimer, 1955
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