Victorian Female Batman???

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AURAPTOR

Tuesday, July 14, 2015 7:56 AM

I quoted you so yes I did read your comments.

THGRRI

Tuesday, July 14, 2015 8:23 AM

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I quoted you so yes I did read your comments.

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Rappy

A woman enjoying sex makes her a whore ?

Show me where I imply that a woman is a whore for having or enjoying sex. Explain to me how you come up with that from what I wrote.

Come to think of it. This is the wrong thread for this. I don't wish to discuss it further.

WISHIMAY

Tuesday, July 14, 2015 8:42 AM

OK, Joss: Would you please make a female character that is celibate or asexual? Apparently, some people think that's important for womens lib

I've only met like... two of those in thirty years, but....whatever.

I know, how about an intersex or hermaphrodite character? I've met just as many of those, believe it or not.

PS What is wrong with preferring woman, anyway? Everybody can have a preference in who they spend time with. Besides, what is so bad about WOMEN? They murder less, rape less, molest less, commit violent crimes less, and most like to make things smell good, taste good, or look good. And contrary to popular opinion, most women like sex, it just has to be on their terms. But that makes sense, too. I mean, it takes trust to let someone go poking around in yer insides, dunnit?

ZEEK

Tuesday, July 14, 2015 9:25 PM

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His denial pertaining to how he portrays women is the same as Inara's. It is implied she is strong yet we see what being a prostitute has done to her. Remember her response to Mal sleeping with her friend? Not so strong after all. She cannot face the reality that sleeping with different men, (many, many men), makes her no different than the women she calls whores herself. Why, because they are not registered with the guild; so she runs. It is the same with Joss. Objectifying women while casting them as leads or not is the same as objectifying women cast in lesser roles.

I think we fundamentally disagree on the other stuff. So, I just cut it out. Here I think I interpret that scene differently. She's not crying because Mal had sex with someone else. I think she's crying because she is worried she missed her chance with Mal. She's been guarding her own feelings so much that she hasn't told Mal how she feels. When she sees him with another woman she's worried that he's moved on. That's my take at least. I don't see that as weak. She's experiencing normal human emotion. That's all.

THGRRI

Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:27 AM

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She's not crying because Mal had sex with someone else. I think she's crying because she is worried she missed her chance with Mal. She's been guarding her own feelings so much that she hasn't told Mal how she feels. When she sees him with another woman she's worried that he's moved on. That's my take at least. I don't see that as weak. She's experiencing normal human emotion. That's all.

I won't even attempt to address Wishie's post because it suggests to me she did not understand a thing I said.

Inara just got done telling Mal “One of the virtues of not being puritanical about sex is not being embarrassed afterwards. You should look into it.” She also had a conversation with Nandi where she tells her she will be fine. I mention that to remind you that after the action, Mal, Inara and the rest of the crew would be leaving. No, she is not with Mal because of her occupation and she leaves Serenity for the same reason. Not because she believes Mal is gone to her forever, but because committing to Mal means leaving her profession and in a way admitting Mal was right.

In the movie Serenity I think that is the decision she is about to make at the end of the movie when she says she is not sure if she wants to leave.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:32 AM

( pardon the thread jack )

Zeek - If you're referring to Inara and Mal in Heart of Gold, I think it goes further than her 'missing her chance' w/ Mal. Lotta stuff not seen on screen about Inara's health and her chance at a long life. She very well may love Mal, and didn't realize it herself until that moment. But she also knew that if her and Mal had gotten together, they couldn't be a happy couple for very long. Which Joss has more than hinted at since.

THGRRI

Wednesday, July 15, 2015 5:23 AM

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( pardon the thread jack )

Zeek - If you're referring to Inara and Mal in Heart of Gold, I think it goes further than her 'missing her chance' w/ Mal. Lotta stuff not seen on screen about Inara's health and her chance at a long life. She very well may love Mal, and didn't realize it herself until that moment. But she also knew that if her and Mal had gotten together, they couldn't be a happy couple for very long. Which Joss has more than hinted at since.

OK, that's a valid point that fits into the topic.

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:18 AM

....I won't even attempt to address Wishie's post because it suggests to me she did not understand a thing I said...
....I don't wish to discuss it further
....you haven't read the entire post or my other posts...

Funny how no one else seems to get what you think you are saying...badly.

As for...

"...we see what being a prostitute has done to her."

I agree with Zeek, she wasn't damaged by being a prostitute at all, that's just what YOU read into it. I totally got that she loved her job, until she realized she was in love with Mal MORE.

Some people like to have sex a lot, with many people. Doesn't make them "damaged" and it's not for you to decide the right or wrong of it.

ZEEK

Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:52 PM

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Zeek
She's not crying because Mal had sex with someone else. I think she's crying because she is worried she missed her chance with Mal. She's been guarding her own feelings so much that she hasn't told Mal how she feels. When she sees him with another woman she's worried that he's moved on. That's my take at least. I don't see that as weak. She's experiencing normal human emotion. That's all.

I won't even attempt to address Wishie's post because it suggests to me she did not understand a thing I said.

Inara just got done telling Mal “One of the virtues of not being puritanical about sex is not being embarrassed afterwards. You should look into it.” She also had a conversation with Nandi where she tells her she will be fine. I mention that to remind you that after the action, Mal, Inara and the rest of the crew would be leaving. No, she is not with Mal because of her occupation and she leaves Serenity for the same reason. Not because she believes Mal is gone to her forever, but because committing to Mal means leaving her profession and in a way admitting Mal was right.

In the movie Serenity I think that is the decision she is about to make at the end of the movie when she says she is not sure if she wants to leave.

I've never seen a listing of companion rules but I've never heard anything about them not being allowed to have relationships. The crew was planning on leaving but it's not like they never return to the same moons. We've seen them do that in just the brief number of episodes and the movie we got. If Mal developed feelings for Nandi he would likely find reasons to return again and again. Obviously her death didn't leave much opportunity for that. I'm not understanding your point about her line about not being embarrassed by sex. She was taking control of the conversation and trying to put a stop to any discussion about what had just happened IMO.

We don't get a clear explanation about why she left Serenity, but "that man doesn't know what he wants" is open to interpretation. My guess is she was emotional about being so close to someone she was interested in but being stuck in a state of not being with him. So, she needed to remove herself from that situation. Now whether that's due to her job, his closed off nature, or her illness is unknown. Could be some combination of all of them. We'll never know. Regardless I'm not sure if any of them make Inara a weak or exploited character.

THGRRI

Thursday, July 16, 2015 7:48 AM

Please people don't tell me Inara was not exploited. They began brainwashing her at 12 to be a thing of pleasure. Sexually and emotionally, just like the geisha's of past. Unless of course you believe it is acceptable to start a young girl who is all of 12, on the road to being a prostitute. Want to change your mind wishie or do you still think this is about some people who like sex; please. I'll give you a hint, pedophilia.

"On Sihnon, we started training at twelve, years of discipline and preparation before the physical act of pleasure was even mentioned. Control was the first lesson, and the last."- Inara Serra explaining how much studying is involved with being a Companion.

Inara, born in the late 25th century on Sihnon, is a Companion, a high-society courtesan licensed by the Union of Allied Planets (the "Alliance"). In Alliance society, Companions are part of the social elite, often accompanying the wealthy and powerful. They have considerable ritual and ceremony surrounding their services, which appear to extend beyond sex to nurturing psychological and emotional well-being.

The sexual tension between the two is clear, however it is left unresolved by the end of the series. It's hinted that she has deeper feelings for him than she likes to admit, demonstrated by her weeping after Mal's liaison with the house madame Nandi, her friend, in Heart of Gold. She openly dislikes the idea of Mal getting married. After finding Mal unconscious on the ground, the result of Saffron's kiss, Inara kisses Mal. As River is picking up their thoughts in the beginning of "Objects in Space" it seems clear that Inara and Mal are both hoping the other will admit the unspoken feelings. In the comic book "Better Days" it is revealed that Inara at least occasionally fantasizes about Mal while she is carnally engaged with her clients. In the nine month gap since the movie 'Serenity', these feelings seem to be resolved and open by the first issue of 'Leaves on the Wind' as they as seen going into Mal's quarters together, where they engage in intercourse, although this is only after a typical session of bickering between the two, suggesting things haven't completely changed. Inara's feelings run more than just physical attraction towards the captain as she dons on the attire of a nitty gritty crew member over her fine silks, indicating she has been helping the crew on their jobs ever since Miranda."

Of course her being a prostitute was the thing that kept them apart. She was confused because she was trained from the age of 12 to see things a certain way and her feeling for Mal conflicted with that.

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